Q&A Ambitions as a Plumber; A Mario FAQ

[Moustachio]

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I am a long time Mario user. I have been playing with him since SSB. I also have about 5,000 hours of gameplay on Mario in Melee. I am quite good with him too since he is the only character I play seriously with. I want to learn some new techniques and combos with him that do not use the game's physics to my advantage though. If you ask why, I'll tell you that it's because I believe in playing the game rather than "working" the game. The moves I am against are: wave dashing, dash dancing, fast-falling short jumps, and that move that involves quickly running back and fourth to confuse opponnents. You may say "Oh, this guy just doesn't like these moves because he can't do them" but that is false. I use to play that way, but I just relized I wasn't having fun anymore. Games are meant to be enjoyed and not to be worked.

So, is there anyone who could please show me or tell me about a new combo or technique that I may not know, but still follows my request? I thank you for your help.

 

[Super Mari0]

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I am a long time Mario user. I have been playing with him since SSB. I also have about 5,000 hours of gameplay on Mario in Melee. I am quite good with him too since he is the only character I play seriously with. I want to learn some new techniques and combos with him that do not use the game's physics to my advantage though. If you ask why, I'll tell you that it's because I believe in playing the game rather than "working" the game. The moves I am against are: wave dashing, dash dancing, fast-falling short jumps, and that move that involves quickly running back and fourth to confuse opponnents. You may say "Oh, this guy just doesn't like these moves because he can't do them" but that is false. I use to play that way, but I just relized I wasn't having fun anymore. Games are meant to be enjoyed and not to be worked.

So, is there anyone who could please show me or tell me about a new combo or technique that I may not know, but still follows my request? I thank you for your help.

I definitley think your a noob.
Its typical for a noob to say how ''long'' he has been playing this and that and whatever
And its typical for a noob to say that Advance Techs arent useful.

You probably arent even good with Mario I mean Mario is one of the chars in Melee who you have to play really fast paced and use all Advance techs there are INCLUDING FAST FALL'd Short Hops OMFG.
Go to a tournament, play with someone pretty good, get owned, get pwned, get *****, GET ***** EVEN MORE, and then you say ''Can you teach me how to do them Techs??''

At this point you are starting your Smash career right at the beginning. You didnt have one in all of those 5.000.000.000 Hours of play.
You didnt.
Even if you ''once killed someone with a Meteor smaaash'' You seriously didnt have a Smash career.
You SERIOUSLY have to look at some Mario pros and other than that here are some useful Mario Techniques :

-Small Jump/Mini Jump/Short Hop (zomfg)
-Dash
-L-Cancel (Dont try it with the L Button its called Lag-Cancel, do it with ''R'')
-Dash then Jump(Short) then Fast Fall
-Dash then Jump(Short) then do an Airial (start with Dair) and then L-Cancel
-WD... its ok for a noob to think this is not important. Its useful. Learn it later though.
-GRAAB!!! DThrow/UpThrow is essential for Mario (DThrow for non-FastFallers (chars who fall faster) and UpThrow for FastFallers (Fox,Falco,Falcon...)
-UpTilt - After a DThrow or UpThrow or an AIRIAL (Attack you do in the air) and Generally without any set-ups just UpTilt someone who is above you (You can use WD for this!!! >__>)


Learn that, watch Videos of Mario pros, go to Tournaments or someone who is NEAR GOOD and get your *** pwn'd, learn that you suck
learn that all those 500000000000000000 Hours of play were nothing just time to get to know Smashs tiiiny basics.

Playing Smash for a long time as a complete uber Noob is good for getting better later.
You suck now though trust me. Go get your *** pwn'd by someone and let him teach you atleast ABIT
Or teach yourself by Watching videos posting Noob Questions Ok??

Good luck

 

[Prevail]

Way to lay it down super mario =) (HAARRRSSHHH though)

But.... You CAN L-cancel with L

 

[Super Mari0]

I know its harsh,Prevail^^ but...
Sometimes being harsh is good for teaching^^
I hope he gets what I mean and reads the whole thing instead of just 1 part or something^^

 

[Prevail]

Tough love, right?

I understand though =)

 

[Moustachio]

Noob? You think I'm a noob? All because I introduced myself with my Smash history? All because I am against mere glitches in the game? Have you been outside before loser? I'm sure you have heard of Aniki and how he plays without wavedashing right? He is one of the best Smashers out there and he plays the way the game was meant to be played. Also, you must learn that when someone gives their thought on a subject, you must not insult it, but tolerate it. I have given my guidlines for moves and my Smash history. All I ask is for help, not rudeness.

 

[Prevail]

Ummmm... Aniki still shffls his aerials and dash dances occasionally (along with other advanced techniques). Isn't that, according to you, a manipulation of the game's physics?

Also, wave dashing isn't as crucial for a link's game as it is for a mario's... that's why Aniki can play without it and still be successful.

Still, it's your opinion. Do whatever it is that you like. However, as I said before, most of the people on this board play with advanced techniques, so obtaining advice beyond "play advanced" may be difficult. =)

 

[Super Mari0]

@Moustachio

Yeah youre a noob.
You probably have heard about Aniki? About how he plays with Short Hops? And the way he plays with all Advance techs EXCEPT WaveDash?

Youre not a noob because you introduced yourself (My my what a stupid thought of you)
Youre not a noob because of your Smash history (I even told you its good having played smash before)
Youre a noob because you dont listen to superior smashers (Like me) and take advice
Youre a noob because you think youre good
Youre a noob because you havent played even once against a competetive smasher
Youre a noob because you dont want to use ANY advance techs ( Ive been using Short Hop since I started smash)
Every noob thinks advance Techs arent good.
Btw, Aniki mains Link and you dont have to WD with Link, you ******* NO MARIO MAIN DOESNT WD even the noobish ones.

Youre a noob because of all that. And youre a noob because you dont have any knowledge or experience about smash do you?

Youre welcome, idiot. Read and think before you act. And also respect those who are superior to you.
Why dont you record yourself showing how awesome you can play? A lvl1 CPU if you will. I know you wont understand ''why a lvl1 and not a lvl9? ''
Thats typical for a noob too.

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The moves I am against are: wave dashing, dash dancing, fast-falling short jumps, and that move that involves quickly running back and fourth to confuse opponnents.

You dont do it to ''confuse'' opponents you idiot!
You use it for many many reasons and they are variiable.
I wont explain how though you probably wont understand and since you dont want to learn it I wont even think about it.


Btw they are NOT GLITCHES. They are techniques and have nothing to do with glitches.
Omg can somebody PLEASE help me out?? I hate noobs like these and THAT is why!
If he doesnt even want to understand what Im saying??... god wtf man how am I supposed to teach if he doesnt take the advice

You are byfar the most idiotic Noob I have ever seen in my entire life seriously

 

[JumpMan_Punk]

Ouch!>_< That had to hurt

 

[Prevail]

Youre a noob because you dont listen to superior smashers (Like me) and take advice
Youre a noob because you think youre good
Youre a noob because you havent played even once against a competetive smasher
Youre a noob because you dont want to use ANY advance techs

Wow... you really harped on him.

Anyways, I tried advising him as well, but in the end, it's his decision

 

[Moustachio]

Dammit, I hate pompus douchbags like you Super Mari0. You're the kind of person that in real life everyone hates, so you come onto forums to act like a real big shot. You're as transparent as water. Listen up, ANYONE can be good at Smash Bros as long as they have a system that works for them. I don't need you're cheap little tricks or lame advice. EVERYONE here who relys on these so called "advanced techniques" are going to doomed when SSBB comes out since most of them have been taken out of the programming. You need to get your head out of your *** and relize that you must respect other's feelings and ideas on certain matters. I mean honestly, do YOU think you're all high and mighty because you have a high post count or something? Do YOU think that because what I say and a low post count makes me a noob? If so, I cannot imagine how close-minded you are in real life. Also, you think I'm a noob too because I think that I'm good at Smash Bros? That is WRONG. I know I'm good at Smash Bros, but I also know that many people are better. Take some some advice from me kid, and treat others like you want to be treated. I'm sure you've learned that in like 1st grade. Well anyways, the way you and others have treated me (mostly you), has led me to feel that coming onto this forum was a bad idea since new members seem to be treated like dirt (or at least that's how I feel). Next time you open your yap, think about treating strangers with respect or one day, you're going to find yourself crying, beatup, and laying in the gutter. Before this, I have been nothing but respectful while posting my thoughts and oppinions. Oh ya, and before you respond, REMEMBER: respect is the key to success, while rudeness leads to a road of misery and dispair.

 

[Super Mari0]

Im not even try to read that post =/ It clearly is full of hatred and rudeness
Nah I dont hate everyone just people who cant respect those who they should listen to.
Why cant you listen to my advice?
Accept that youre a beginner its true no matter if youve playd 50000 Years of Smash without knowing about true Mindgames and Techskill or Combos or ANYTHING about Smash it doesnt make a difference

You cleary are a beginner. Accept it. Look at some Videos maybe mine if you will but why cant you just see that you dont have any knowledge about smash NOT YET.

So please dont be so rude and offensive.
You clearly have no Idea of Smash if youre not WILLING TO TRY AND LEARN SHFFL or FAST FALL
Seriously thats just being stupid

EDIT : Mario + No Shffl + No Short Hop Fast Fall + no WD + no DashDance spacing + no experience + no Combos (due to lack of shffl) = Not a good Mario =(
Looky what I found here :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=R5eWhq45YHA Observe and Learn from it


Whoa dude wth are you saying? Respect is the key to success yeah why dont you try it? Rudness is leads to misery and hatred yeah lol youre dissing yourself!
And.. wth?

Every pro here will be DOOMED when BRAWL comes out???

Seriously? DOOMED? What kind of an evil person are you? Seriously thats just so full of hatred and disrespect. Wow I mean... whoa
And no really I respect every human being and thats the main reason people respect me in School for example
but I do not respect people who dont accept certain things like being NOT good in something.
EDIT : And yes I am aware that I was being rude at first and Im sorry =)
but its not like you are the Wonder Boy here Oo I mean look at your Post its like the most devilish thing Ive ever read in my LIFE
Pros wont be DOOMED when Brawl is out infact Im sure GimpyFish had his Moments with Bowser in Brawl
You SHOULD respect me for I have way more knwoledge and experience than you.a

 

[DP's Mario]

Alright you guys, calm it down, calm it down...

We don't need to have any Mario noob drama in this thread...Ohh no, especially not in this thread.

Somebody just answer the guy's questions and everything will be okay. We need to keep this thread on discussion before anything else happens.

 

[iMichael]

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I am a long time Mario user. I have been playing with him since SSB. I also have about 5,000 hours of gameplay on Mario in Melee. I am quite good with him too since he is the only character I play seriously with. I want to learn some new techniques and combos with him that do not use the game's physics to my advantage though. If you ask why, I'll tell you that it's because I believe in playing the game rather than "working" the game. The moves I am against are: wave dashing, dash dancing, fast-falling short jumps, and that move that involves quickly running back and fourth to confuse opponnents. You may say "Oh, this guy just doesn't like these moves because he can't do them" but that is false. I use to play that way, but I just relized I wasn't having fun anymore. Games are meant to be enjoyed and not to be worked.

So, is there anyone who could please show me or tell me about a new combo or technique that I may not know, but still follows my request? I thank you for your help.

Well you can always wall tech and that's just pressing L or R 20 frames before hitting the wall.

There's also L-Canceling....reduces your lag on aerial attacks.

 

[Moustachio]

Thanks for the calm, respectable, clear advice Envy, but I happen to already know that basic stuff. Super Mari0, sorry if I sounded disrespectful but it was somewhat uncalled for to start insulting me when I had asked for advice that went with my method of play. I mean, I respect that you like using your "advanced techniques", so you should respect that I don't like using them and you shouldn't call me a noob because of it. Also for your info, I do know how to use most of the techniques but I just don't like the feel of them. And also...sorry if I sounded evil, but it is true that most of the advanced techniques are soon going to be useless once SSBB has come out.

 

[Prevail]

To Moustachio: Sorry if I came across as harsh/unwelcoming, but I'm pretty opinionated on this topic. I gave you a bit of (limited) advice in the original thread that you created... and I hope it helps.

Also, I agree that some of the advanced techniques won't be appearing in the next game, but technical skill never hurts =)

Anyways, have fun, and play with whatever style you like =)

 

[Help!]

Actually your advanced techniques ala fast falling, short hopping, dash dancing, l canceling, all seem to be coming back... cept for wavedashing, which makes me sad cause it's fun just to do it in general, but no matter i'll deal with it. And I do believe that all the ones that are staying in were programmed to be in the game since it's been in all the games so far and is making a return, so if you really wanna play the game and not "work it". I'd say do everything cept for wavedashing, which should help you tremendously in combos, but then again it doesnt seem like your taking that advice so... uhmmm down throw, u tilt, u smash, u air? you could do way more out of that too but not the way you play.... and theres some others but theyre mainly out of grabs cause your not going to have an aerial game really... but you could also chain grab unless jump cancel grabs are out of the question. There are also some sweet edge gaurd combos like double back airs and stuff that's like one of my favorite things to pull off even though it's hard, but if your not playing anyone too good it'll be way easier cause i use to pull it off when i was a newb playing with newbie friends, not to say your a noob or anything... it's just how i refer to myself when i didnt use or know about advanced techs.

P.S. mind games, shhfl's, dash dancing, along with new advanced techniques will still make the pros better than most like how it is in melee.

 

[-PM-]

clam down bad people =/

 

[Fogo]

only n00b's calm down pm.




:-P

 

[-PM-]

=P

well i just hate how the mario boards were empty and a bunch of noobs join and there's been fight after fight on the same **** thats been debated

to people that have been here GG

new people -1 (we think your dumb) =/

 

[Shök]

Yeah, we dont really have a lot of Mario smashers on the boards. PM is right about that.Yeah

 

[mario-man]

PM's just cool like that

 

[Shök]

Lol, I am wondering how will Mario will the Mario tornado in Brawl. Oh and guys, whats the best way to approach a Link?

 

[mario-man]

I think the tornado AS WE KNOW IT is out. No more recovery though I may be wrong. It is now his down air attack which really sucks, cuz his spin kick thing rocks as a combo starter.

 

[Shök]

Well the Mario tornado is in, but like you said MM, it might not recover. But we dont know that.

 

[Fogo]

i know, i'm so sad about losing our dair =(


i hope we can combo with the tornado (it feels so ridiculous even suggesting that lmao)

 

[Shök]

Lol, yeah. I actually see that in a Mario video in Brawl.

 

[Help!]

I find one of the best ways to approach link is just to wait for him to mess up and take advantage of his horrible delays. That or watch for the attacks and spot dodge I believe spot dodging would help a lot. I'm not too sure what else, but link isn't a very fast character so I don't see approaching him as such a big problem, but I havnt played a link in a while.

 

[-PM-]

Lol, I am wondering how will Mario will the Mario tornado in Brawl. Oh and guys, whats the best way to approach a Link?

fire ball his projectiles untill he makes a mistake then get a grab off, work from there

I think the tornado AS WE KNOW IT is out. No more recovery though I may be wrong. It is now his down air attack which really sucks, cuz his spin kick thing rocks as a combo starter.

com... bo... starter?

excuse me?

lol

 

[Fogo]

yeah dude, it can totally be a combo starter


approach with dair to fmash or to grab or to jab to yada yada...


the list goes on and on lol

 

[mario-man]

but you have to l-cancel it!! IT IS A MUST!!!! it leads well into dsmashes or grabs or even jab to grab. It is a sweet combo/approach move.

 

[Fogo]

yeah it's priority and hitboxes make it an awesome approach coupled with l-cancelling

 

[-PM-]

yea but why dair when you can uair? or nair? or so many better combo starting things.

dair to me is a finisher.

dair - fsmash

 

[Aftermath]

Eggz on Aftermath's account

Stop 'harpooning' on eachother in the help thread.

Get your noob vs advanced crap into melee discussion yo

 

[-PM-]

Eggz on Aftermath's account

Stop 'harpooning' on eachother in the help thread.

Get your noob vs advanced crap into melee discussion yo

excuse me sir lol

dont tell me what to do on someone elses account =P

jkjk =D

 

[Super Mari0]

Dair to FSmash?
No way man.
More like...

Dair to Jab to Grab
Dair to UpTilt
Dair to RUNNING AWAY!!! and comin back quick to kick *** (mindgame'd) Yeah its kind of complicated its more like Spacing to Run away after a Dair its a good strategie to **** the oponnents brain up

 

[Fogo]

or a good strategy to be extra campy lol

 

[Mario_ 101]

How do you approach a Shiek that gives you a hard time just trying to grab, and what are some good combos against Shiek? The person that I play against uses dash attack spam, but not all the time which makes it hard to predict, and also since Shiek's dash attack is too fast, which sets me up for combos. Any combos breakers besides ANA, ADA, cape, and up b that i should know of? Thanks.

 

[Fogo]

approach with a dash dance into a nair to fake em out then combo from there, or try dashing away then wavedashing back into a pivoted grab.

 

[Help!]

Does Eggz even still look at this thread? lol anyways if you do eggz or somebody how do you beat Ademisks ness when he plays super defensiviley? Or i guess how do you beat ness? cause i dont play ness's ever so i have no clue how ness's play, but ness's fair i just dont know how to get past and his bair is scary when he's spamming it too... anyone know what to do against this?