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All newcomers were leaked along Little Mac, Pac Man and the Miis

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@BKupa666: The reply button isn't working for some reason, but I pointed out a while ago why I think Wii Fit Trainer was never seriously considered. People who play Smash Bros. generally don't care about Wii Fit. Those that do, generally don't care about sites like these.

Basically, none of us wanted WFT, and generally, people don't talk about things they don't care about. Now that doesn't neccesarily mean the leak was fake, just that WFT shouldn't be used as evidence for it.
WFT was more a character that "We didn't know we wanted".

If Little Mac's reveal helps this rumor's credentials, than the incorrect prediction that Mac, Pac-Man and Mii were to be revealed at E3 should have killed this rumor stone-cold a long time ago.

Mac's reveal does nothing for this rumor. This rumor endures solely on the merits of the WFT prediction. Megaman, Mii, Mac, Pac-Man, and even "Animal Crossing guy" were/are all very obvious guesses for inclusion in SSB4.
IIRC, the rumor never was "All would be shown at E3" - or even it could have been all were planned to show but changed. Welcome to how marketing works.

I think the leak is still looking good, but I don't think it's 100%. We have Mii and Pac-Man left to go, don't we? Those two, especially Pac, were at high-footing once the game started anyways. We just didn't want to admit that they were.
 

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Hey all. First-time poster, short-time lurker. Actually, I used to post here years and years ago under the alias Pacn99, but I doubt any of you remember that.

Anyway, here's the thing: Just because this guy said Wii Fit Trainer, doesn't make his statements accurate, at least the way I see it. If I'm looking at everything correctly, his post on NeoGAF came one day before E3 (someone please correct me if I'm wrong here). It looks like his post was on June 10th and E3 started on June 11th. He could have just been leaked the info about Wii Fit Trainer early through a source at the gaming convention.

Why do I say this? Because I used to work at GameStop, and I remember on the TV they had a guy there interviewing a Nintendo rep about Smash Bros. The interviewer asked about MegaMan and Villager, which the rep confirmed, but then the interviewer said "I heard a rumor about the Wii Fit Trainer" and the rep said "I uhh.. I haven't heard anything about that."

Chances are if this guy on GameStop TV got wind of Wii Fit Trainer, it probably slipped a bit before the convention happened, and one short day beforehand this guy made his prediction based on this.

I'm not saying he's true or he's false, nor am I trying to debunk him. In truth, I want his predictions to be true because the only newcomer I'm truly excited to see in this game is Pac-Man. I wanted him in Brawl and I want him even more now that Namco is working with Sakurai to make this game happen. But, regardless of that, I'm still taking everything with a grain of salt until proven otherwise.
 

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WFT was more a character that "We didn't know we wanted".


IIRC, the rumor never was "All would be shown at E3" - or even it could have been all were planned to show but changed. Welcome to how marketing works.

I think the leak is still looking good, but I don't think it's 100%. We have Mii and Pac-Man left to go, don't we? Those two, especially Pac, were at high-footing once the game started anyways. We just didn't want to admit that they were.
Marketing? No. This rumor is just them saying "Look, I predicted popular characters and characters from popular games that would no doubt be in my leak is right!"
I thought they already said no namco characters were even going to be in the game
 
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Marketing? No. This rumor is just them saying "Look, I predicted popular characters and characters from popular games in an attempt to try to prove my rumor correct ERMAGERD"

I thought they already said no namco characters were even going to be in the game
They never said no Namco characters would be in the game. They said Namco characters would not get any special consideration to be put in the game since Namco was helping with the project.
 

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They never said no Namco characters would be in the game. They said Namco characters would not get any special consideration to be put in the game since Namco was helping with the project.
Source?
 

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Hey all. First-time poster, short-time lurker. Actually, I used to post here years and years ago under the alias Pacn99, but I doubt any of you remember that.

Anyway, here's the thing: Just because this guy said Wii Fit Trainer, doesn't make his statements accurate, at least the way I see it. If I'm looking at everything correctly, his post on NeoGAF came one day before E3 (someone please correct me if I'm wrong here). It looks like his post was on June 10th and E3 started on June 11th. He could have just been leaked the info about Wii Fit Trainer early through a source at the gaming convention.

Why do I say this? Because I used to work at GameStop, and I remember on the TV they had a guy there interviewing a Nintendo rep about Smash Bros. The interviewer asked about MegaMan and Villager, which the rep confirmed, but then the interviewer said "I heard a rumor about the Wii Fit Trainer" and the rep said "I uhh.. I haven't heard anything about that."

Chances are if this guy on GameStop TV got wind of Wii Fit Trainer, it probably slipped a bit before the convention happened, and one short day beforehand this guy made his prediction based on this.

I'm not saying he's true or he's false, nor am I trying to debunk him. In truth, I want his predictions to be true because the only newcomer I'm truly excited to see in this game is Pac-Man. I wanted him in Brawl and I want him even more now that Namco is working with Sakurai to make this game happen. But, regardless of that, I'm still taking everything with a grain of salt until proven otherwise.
This is probably the best argument against the Salromano rumoured leak that I've heard.
I don't have anything to say to that. Gives me something to think about.
 

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The leak absolutely was specifically about E3 reveals, and it got half of those reveals wrong.
 

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Marketing? No. This rumor is just them saying "Look, I predicted popular characters and characters from popular games that would no doubt be in my leak is right!"
I thought they already said no namco characters were even going to be in the game
Did you miss what I was quoting about marketing? Someone else said "they didn't show up at e3; the leak itself is invalid" where I explained that marketing plans always change.
 

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Postponing 3 fully finished reveals at the biggest Western press event of the year for over 7 months would be one hell of a change.

The fact remains that the leak specifically predicted E3 reveals.
 
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Postponing 3 fully finished reveals at the biggest Western press event of the year for over 7 months would be one hell of a change.
Quick Q: Are you in marketing? Marketing can and will change. It's a very plausible reality that they decided to spread newcomers out more.
Another Q to the thread: Was it ever stated that we'd get all characters at E3?

I mean there's other explanations. Here's one to debunk this: Guy knows from friend early what will be shown. He adds in three other characters to troll around. I mean, unlikely reality, but if we're looking into possibilities it's good to think about all. While other people have spoke upon the leaker's behalf, I think he's been quiet
 

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Did you miss what I was quoting about marketing? Someone else said "they didn't show up at e3; the leak itself is invalid" where I explained that marketing plans always change.
"Marketing" doesn't always change. Also rosalina not being mentioned further debunks this stupid rumor.
 
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"Marketing" doesn't always change. Also rosalina not being mentioned further debunks this stupid rumor.
He never said that those six were all of the newcomers.
 

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"Marketing" doesn't always change. Also rosalina not being mentioned further debunks this stupid rumor.
No it doesn't. "Multiple character combatants" counts Rosalina, and if Sakurai is having developement problems with her, why would there be plans to show her off before knowing that she won't get cut?

And no, the title of this thread has little to do with the leak.
 
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No it doesn't. "Multiple character combatants" counts Rosalina, and if Sakurai is having developement problems with her, why would there be plans to show her off before knowing that she won't get cut?

And no, the title of this thread has little to do with the leak.
Who said sakurai had any trouble with her? I think not. We'll find out who he had trouble with when we get a smash direct
 

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Who said sakurai had any trouble with her? I think not. We'll find out who he had trouble with when we get a smash direct
Before I realize how long it's been since I read this bull**** thread
I linked the article, dude.
That was referring to characters such as ice climbers, those who move perfectly in sync, causing double the animation, thus framerate issues and such.
 

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Before I realize how long it's been since I read this bull**** thread

That was referring to characters such as ice climbers, those who move perfectly in sync, causing double the animation, thus framerate issues and such.
The Author of the article was paraphrasing and using ice climbers as an example. The only quote from sakurai in that statement is "multiple combatant". Luma and Rosalina are both separate combatants and count as multiple combatants.
Even if Sakurai said those exact words, it'd be obvious that he wouldn't spill the beans about rosalina this early
 
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Either way this is a fraud.anyone can say "animal crossing is popular, so it'll get a character. And Wii fit is what made the Wii so popular, so naturally. Little Mac is highly requested and has a moveset easy to implement"

This is fake, let's move on
 

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Either way this is a fraud.anyone can say "animal crossing is popular, so it'll get a character. And Wii fit is what made the Wii so popular, so naturally. Little Mac is highly requested and has a moveset easy to implement"

This is fake, let's move on
again this is not confirmed fake things change
 

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It is actually funny, one of the first notions to become apparent in regards to my sisters reaction was pertaining to the leaky 3. She thought that this would incite more belief in the leak as Little Mac was confirmed over someone completely and utterly obvious. That being said, I really hope that Pac-Man and Miis stay out of Smash Brothers. I don't treat the leak as feasible evidence as it has already been refuted, but I can't help but assume that the guy does know something.
 

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Either way this is a fraud.anyone can say "animal crossing is popular, so it'll get a character. And Wii fit is what made the Wii so popular, so naturally. Little Mac is highly requested and has a moveset easy to implement"

This is fake, let's move on
Even though sakurai DECONFIRMED VILLAGER during brawl?
 

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Either way this is a fraud.anyone can say "animal crossing is popular, so it'll get a character. And Wii fit is what made the Wii so popular, so naturally. Little Mac is highly requested and has a moveset easy to implement"

This is fake, let's move on
If it was really so obvious that Wii Fit would get a rep, then you'd think at least one other person would have predicted it to happen. Sure, Little Mac and Mega Man's chances were pretty good, so they were easy guesses. And sure, Villager could've also been guessed too. I'll even accept that someone could have guessed Wii Fit Trainer (even though no one did). But all four in one post? The chances are extremely tiny. Sure, it's possible, but the much, much more likely explanation is that Salromano had at least some insider information.

That doesn't, howerver, necessarily guarantee Pac-Man and Mii. Here's some speculation from the Rumors and Leaks thread that I think sounds plausible:
Thought I'd pop in to give my thoughts on the Sal Romano leak.
Somebody gets info on E3 reveals. Notices boxing ring which all but confirms Mac - that makes 4 characters.
Finally, makes up two more characters just to **** with people.
Unlikely? Yeah, to say the least. But it 's quite plausible. Think about it: Telling everybody the three characters to be revealed at E3 would be utterly pointless - people would just look at WFT and say "lolobvfake" and move on, not to mention the situation with Villager. Then when it's confirmed, the leak will be pointless because all the information will already have been revealed. While WFT was revealed a bit after the others, she's still so outlandish that people still would not have given a thought to it in the very short time period between the original trailer and WFT's trailer.

This means that somebody had the perfect opportunity to completely troll the living **** out of every rabid Smash fan by tossing in two of the most questionable and hated (yet still popular) character suggestions imaginable. I should point out that this concept is the only reason offered as to why somebody might have spent so much time and effort shopping Palutena.
 
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That "leaked" list is rather disappointing, probably because I could totally see it coming true after just thinking about the recent stuff NIntendo has been doing lately:

Mii is an obvious shoe-in, despite being THE LAMEST NINTENDO CHARACTER EVER. They have been shoving Miis into everything lately, as they are now cross-platform with both 3DS and WiiU players to bore.

Wii Fit Trainer should have been more obvious to ALL of us. Yet again, this is another big concept Ninty has been pushing HARD for the past five or so years.

Little Mac seems like an obvious guess too, since as far as NES classics, he is on par with Samus, Kirby, Pit, etc. and to me, was more defining for Nintendo than, say, R.O.B. or Game & Watch (both of whom I still love and cherish, but hadn't really heard of 'til Smash). Plus being an original franchise that has seen a recent revival on Wii makes him ripe for the picking.


Mega man is the 3rd party character I predicted would be next included in Smash, and if I could guess it, then it seems to me anyone could. It was known that Sakurai took polls years ago for character popularity, and Mega Man was a standout.

Anyone here could have guessed Villager, despite maybe not referring to him by that name. I was going to call him "Animal Crosser" for lack of better title. I was surprised he wasn't in Brawl, but never pushed for him. I actually thought it should be Tom Nook, since he's a more consistent face for the franchise.

HOWEVER, Pac-Man hasn't ever been that influential for Nintendo. Other third-partiers like Mega Man made it in because they were big-selling classics for Nintendo back in the day; Sonic because he is primarily Nintendo-based now since Sega stopped making consoles. Neither of these apply to Pac-Man, who was TRULY famous from arcades before the NES. Yes, Pac-Man has appeared on multiple Nintendo consoles, but his games have never noticeably contributed that greatly to Nintendo's success, have they?
For the record, I'd only be okay with the inclusion of Pac-Man due to his iconic status in gaming, NOT because I actually think he'd be that great of a character (a 4-way battle between Mario, Sonic, Mega Man, and Pac-Man would be a winning match no matter who actually wins).
 
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Even though sakurai DECONFIRMED VILLAGER during brawl?
He never fully deconfirmed him. He said villager wasn't much of a fighter and would be hard to make a moveset for if I recall.
If it was really so obvious that Wii Fit would get a rep, then you'd think at least one other person would have predicted it to happen. Sure, Little Mac and Mega Man's chances were pretty good, so they were easy guesses. And sure, Villager could've also been guessed too. I'll even accept that someone could have guessed Wii Fit Trainer (even though no one did). But all four in one post? The chances are extremely tiny. Sure, it's possible, but the much, much more likely explanation is that Salromano had at least some insider information.

That doesn't, howerver, necessarily guarantee Pac-Man and Mii. Here's some speculation from the Rumors and Leaks thread that I think sounds plausible:
wii fit a
Was insanely obvious! If I recall, WF was the major selling point for the Wii, along with motion controls.
 

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Was insanely obvious! If I recall, WF was the major selling point for the Wii, along with motion controls.
I'm sure that no one expected a CHARACTER from Wii Fit though. Like come on, you can't just guess it. That's why this leak seems so legit because his "unlikely" guesses were on point with the names of "Villager" and "Wii Fit Trainer". And look, even if Wii Fit was super successful, it wasn't even represented in Brawl AT ALL (unless there was a sticker, which I don't recall there being…). Now we have a stage, a character, and an alternate costume. Probably some items to come too
 

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I'm sure that no one expected a CHARACTER from Wii Fit though. Like come on, you can't just guess it.
You can guess it. People on Smashboards claim to have guessed it. If you're able to break out of the Smash community hivemind that we're going to get characters who make sense and who we want, WFT's quite guessable.

She's still an incredibly unlikely guess for somebody posting in a GameFAQs thread, of course; the fact that the WFT prediction has kept the rumor alive despite the failure of the rumor's second half speaks to the strength of that prediction. However, Wii Fit Trainer was guessable. Any character is. We should never deem anything impossible to guess.
 

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Well I suppose I meant it in the way where you can guess it in a serious manner. I see a lot of the guys here trollin on some characters :p haha.
 

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I'm sure that no one expected a CHARACTER from Wii Fit though. Like come on, you can't just guess it. That's why this leak seems so legit because his "unlikely" guesses were on point with the names of "Villager" and "Wii Fit Trainer". And look, even if Wii Fit was super successful, it wasn't even represented in Brawl AT ALL (unless there was a sticker, which I don't recall there being…). Now we have a stage, a character, and an alternate costume. Probably some items to come too
Wii fit trainer and. Villager weren't that hard to guess! You people just focus on characters from giant series. Wii Fit and villager aren't that bad of a guess. I mean ****!

This guy obviously guessed when thinking of smaller series. Megaman and little Mac were obvious.
 

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To be fair, Wii Fit Trainer's a pretty damn tough guess for anybody who shares the mindset of one of these communities. Even though I believe the few people who claim to have expected some kind of Wii Fit representation in SSB4, they're a scant few among thousands.
 

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Wii fit trainer and. Villager weren't that hard to guess! You people just focus on characters from giant series. Wii Fit and villager aren't that bad of a guess. I mean ****!

This guy obviously guessed when thinking of smaller series. Megaman and little Mac were obvious.
Villager was considered all but deconfirmed even before the game's release, due to Sakurai flat out saying he didn't believe Animal Crossing characters should be violent. So there's one iffy guess already. Then there's Wii Fit Trainer, and people can sugar coat it all they want by saying Wii Fit is a big franchise and all, but Wii Fit Trainer wasn't guessed by anyone else anywhere else, at least I haven't seen any proof of that. The reason Wii Fit Trainer is such an obscure character, and why she didn't cross our minds, is because it's not the actual playable character in Wii Fit, it's just a guide, it'd be like guessing Monita from Nintendo Land. I just don't believe that the one guy who guesses Wii Fit Trainer also happens to guess the very iffy Villager and Mega Man correctly on top of that, and furthermore wants to carry it onwards as a fake leak, especially when he's a well respected NeoGAF member.

The question is whether the other half of the leak is true or not. I just don't believe in such a big coincidence that someone happens to guess such obscurity and carry it on like this, stars don't align that way.

Obviously Little Mac's confirmation doesn't necessarily help this leak though, considering almost everyone in the whole wide world was expecting him.

You can guess it. People on Smashboards claim to have guessed it. If you're able to break out of the Smash community hivemind that we're going to get characters who make sense and who we want, WFT's quite guessable.

She's still an incredibly unlikely guess for somebody posting in a GameFAQs thread, of course; the fact that the WFT prediction has kept the rumor alive despite the failure of the rumor's second half speaks to the strength of that prediction. However, Wii Fit Trainer was guessable. Any character is. We should never deem anything impossible to guess.
I didn't see anyone guess Wii Fit Trainer honestly, but I can't claim that I read all people's predictions either. Unless people can prove they guessed it, then I don't really buy it.
 
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