All newcomers were leaked along Little Mac, Pac Man and the Miis

[APC99]

Not enough screen time for Pac-Man (there's never enough), but, otherwise, amazing.

I'd imagine his gameplay footage would be longer, like Mega Man's.

 

[soviet prince]

here a devil advocates conspiracy what if the spoiled newcomers are the only newcomers in this game?

 

[HarryTheChin]

I can't help but notice the potential pattern in showcasing these six different characters in two separate sets, given that the leak does end up to be true.

1st (already confirmed) Set: Villager, Mega Man, and Wii Fit Trainer
2nd (have yet to be revealed) Set: Mii, Pac-Man, and Little Mac

What do each character's "pair" partner share in terms of relativity?

"The Avatars" (Villager and Mii): Both of these characters are meant to represent the player.

"The Icons" (Mega Man and Pac-Man): Arguably two of the highest tiered gaming icons representing Capcom and Namco Bandai respectively. May also add that they are both "Man"s/Men.

"The Health-nuts" (Wii Fit Trainer and Little Mac): Fitness Trainer and a Boxer. Can't get much healthier than that.

OVER-ANALYZING FTW

 

[Fenrir VII]

I love that the boxing ring stage was shown, but none of the newcomers theorized to be in a boxing trailer...

trololololol

 

[SonicMario]

I can't help but notice the potential pattern in showcasing these six different characters in two separate sets, given that the leak does end up to be true.

1st (already confirmed) Set: Villager, Mega Man, and Wii Fit Trainer
2nd (have yet to be revealed) Set: Mii, Pac-Man, and Little Mac

What do each character's "pair" partner share in terms of relativity?

"The Avatars" (Villager and Mii): Both of these characters are meant to represent the player.

"The Icons" (Mega Man and Pac-Man): Arguably two of the highest tiered gaming icons representing Capcom and Namco Bandai respectively. May also add that they are both "Man"s/Men.

"The Health-nuts" (Wii Fit Trainer and Little Mac): Fitness Trainer and a Boxer. Can't get much healthier than that.

OVER-ANALYZING FTW

You can also group them as

The 1st Party Characters (everyone/most people here) (wants/approve of) their inclusion (Villager and Little Mac)

The 3rd Parties (Megaman and Pac-Man)

The 1st Party characters based on the Wii Generation that's a little more mixed in reactions to their inclusion but will provide a healthy backing from the Casual Crowd for the game (Wii Fit Trainer and Miis)

 

[SmashChu]

There are people who still believe this?

 

[BluePikmin11]

There are people who still believe this?

People are still super against Pac-Man and Mii, it's one of the reason they don't believe the leak.
But the leak is probably real.
Little Mac serves as the retro newcomer of the roster.
Pac-Man serves as a big gaming icon to be kept in the roster.
Mii serves as the customizable character of this game.
It all makes sense to me.

 

[Kapus]

Can Little Mac still be considered a retro character?

Also, Mega Man pretty much already filled Pac-Man's "role".

 

[The Real Gamer]

I still can't decide if I want this rumor to be true cause of Pac Man or want it to be fake cause of Miis.

 

[SmashChu]

People are still super against Pac-Man and Mii, it's one of the reason they don't believe the leak.
But the leak is probably real.
Little Mac serves as the retro newcomer of the roster.
Pac-Man serves as a big gaming icon to be kept in the roster.
Mii serves as the customizable character of this game.
It all makes sense to me.

It's probably not real. There is nothing that suggest it is. He stated these characters were to be shown off at E3 but it's been a few months with no sign of them. There is also the fact that Sakurai pretty much ruled out Pac-Man.

 

[FlareHabanero]

There are people who still believe this?

Welcome to humanity.

 

[liets]

look, the person could easily have made them up. i would, to be honest. get some inside info and then conjure up some of my own? heck yeah!

also, i'm against pac man and mii making it in, little mac is a meh. but here's my stance on any character i'm against: if they can make it work alright, be my guest guys, put 'em in. i'm prepared to eat my words, i did with villager

 

[Chzrm3]

here a devil advocates conspiracy what if the spoiled newcomers are the only newcomers in this game?

I'm pretty sure this is true, actually. The info the leaker got was probably "all the new characters", but he misinterpreted it as "all the new characters announced at E3".

Sakurai told us a long time ago that the emphasis wasn't on roster expansion this time. Six characters sounds about right, when you consider that.

 

[soviet prince]

It's probably not real. There is nothing that suggest it is. He stated these characters were to be shown off at E3 but it's been a few months with no sign of them. There is also the fact that Sakurai pretty much ruled out Pac-Man.

that does not rule out pacman all that says is pacman will not get in just because namco is working on the game.

 

[soviet prince]

I'm pretty sure this is true, actually. The info the leaker got was probably "all the new characters", but he misinterpreted it as "all the new characters announced at E3".

Sakurai told us a long time ago that the emphasis wasn't on roster expansion this time. Six characters sounds about right, when you consider that.

I so hope it's not that way because with only 6 new characters which 3 of them being a humanoid character it just seem to be like a expansion rather then a true sequel.

 

[Morbi]

that does not rule out pacman all that says is pacman will not get in just because namco is working on the game.

Which is an inherently erroneous proclamation by Sakurai, assuming Pacman is selected as a potential roster slot.

 

[Chzrm3]

I so hope it's not that way because with only 6 new characters which 3 of them being a humanoid character it just seem to be like a expansion rather then a true sequel.

Yeah, this is why I'm hoping that Smash goes the route of other fighting games and starts getting annual/bi-annual updates. 6 new characters is great, but after waiting almost 7 years? That's kinda rough. XD

 

[SmashChu]

that does not rule out pacman all that says is pacman will not get in just because namco is working on the game.

See what MorbidAltruism said. Basically, the main reason Pac-Man is even suggested is that Namco Bandia is working on the game. If Sakurai rules that out, there is nothing else the character has going for it.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

See what MorbidAltruism said. Basically, the main reason Pac-Man is even suggested is that Namco Bandia is working on the game. If Sakurai rules that out, there is nothing else the character has going for it.

I still wonder why they wouldn't add Pac though, at the moment he's going full force with a new lease on his gaming career and even that TV Show currently. Adding Pac would satisfy the whole world and both the new + old generation of gamers.

We have already MegaMan AND Sonic so why not go a one more step further to make SSB4 perhaps the best videogame gathering of all time?

 

[SmashChu]

I still wonder why they wouldn't add Pac though, at the moment he's going full force with a new lease on his gaming career and even that TV Show currently. Adding Pac would satisfy the whole world and both the new + old generation of gamers.

We have already MegaMan AND Sonic so why not go a one more step further to make SSB4 perhaps the best videogame gathering of all time?

A better question is why add Pac-Man. He suffers both in terms of popularity and moves. He has little interest in all regions. His popularity is non-existent in Japan and Namco discussion revolves around Tekken and Tales. In the west, it is still very lackluster. In terms of moves, Snake, Sonic and Megaman have very unique moves they pull from their games and differentiate themselves from the rest of the Nintendo cast. This is important because they are guest and with the hoops Sakurai has to go though getting them (legal, financial, and maintaining the content). Pac-Man distinctive ability, eating, is already covered by 4 characters (Yoshi, K. Dedede, Kirby and Wario). Other moves tend to reflect moves of other characters. Even worse, they tend to borrow from the character less popular games. The other characters pull from all their games. So why add a character this isn't Nintendo, isn't well liked, and doesn't even have distinguishable abilities. If Tecmo was making this, Pac-Man wouldn't even be brought up. This should tell you why he makes no sense. He is expected. Not wanted. There are plenty of other Nintendo characters who do a better job and would be easier to get.

As for him appeal to new and old gamers: I don't think he appeals to old players. People who played Pac-Man back in the 80s see Pac-Man as a pie graph. They see him in the same way as frogger. They wouldn't see him as an interesting character because all he does is eat and they don't care for the more recent games. Sales numbers will show you that Pac-Man has really struggled since the 80s which is why the company has put less and less focus on him. From what I've seen, the people who like Pac-Man, as a character, are kids. This is because the character is more recent to them, and since they didn't play the game in the 80s, they don't differentiate between new and old Pac-Man. There is a clear difference and a difference in the mind of consumers. Pac-Man's target audience is kids now. So who is going to want him in Smash? Kids. The older Pac-Man fans wouldn't want him because they understand Pac-Man is a circle who eats dots and doesn't fit in very well. Megaman already appeals to everyone that Pac-fans claim Pac-Man will appeal to.

 

[BluePikmin11]

A better question is why add Pac-Man. He suffers both in terms of popularity and moves. He has little interest in all regions. His popularity is non-existent in Japan and Namco discussion revolves around Tekken and Tales. In the west, it is still very lackluster. In terms of moves, Snake, Sonic and Megaman have very unique moves they pull from their games and differentiate themselves from the rest of the Nintendo cast. This is important because they are guest and with the hoops Sakurai has to go though getting them (legal, financial, and maintaining the content). Pac-Man distinctive ability, eating, is already covered by 4 characters (Yoshi, K. Dedede, Kirby and Wario). Other moves tend to reflect moves of other characters. Even worse, they tend to borrow from the character less popular games. The other characters pull from all their games. So why add a character this isn't Nintendo, isn't well liked, and doesn't even have distinguishable abilities. If Tecmo was making this, Pac-Man wouldn't even be brought up. This should tell you why he makes no sense. He is expected. Not wanted. There are plenty of other Nintendo characters who do a better job and would be easier to get.

As for him appeal to new and old gamers: I don't think he appeals to old players. People who played Pac-Man back in the 80s see Pac-Man as a pie graph. They see him in the same way as frogger. They wouldn't see him as an interesting character because all he does is eat and they don't care for the more recent games. Sales numbers will show you that Pac-Man has really struggled since the 80s which is why the company has put less and less focus on him. From what I've seen, the people who like Pac-Man, as a character, are kids. This is because the character is more recent to them, and since they didn't play the game in the 80s, they don't differentiate between new and old Pac-Man. There is a clear difference and a difference in the mind of consumers. Pac-Man's target audience is kids now. So who is going to want him in Smash? Kids. The older Pac-Man fans wouldn't want him because they understand Pac-Man is a circle who eats dots and doesn't fit in very well. Megaman already appeals to everyone that Pac-fans claim Pac-Man will appeal to.

Yet Wii Fit Trainer had no popularity in terms of requests.

 

[SmashChu]

Yet Wii Fit Trainer had no popularity in terms of requests.

WFT is a Nintendo character. It also sold over 19 million copies and has a sequel and another game down the road.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

See what MorbidAltruism said. Basically, the main reason Pac-Man is even suggested is that Namco Bandia is working on the game. If Sakurai rules that out, there is nothing else the character has going for it.

Pac-Man was requested during the pre-Brawl days too. Of course with Namco working on the game interest in the character has sparked up much more than before, but I do remember Pac-Man being a discussed subject pre-Brawl too.

Yet Wii Fit Trainer had no popularity in terms of requests.

She's the ocassional wtf character, like R.O.B and Mr. Game & Watch. Most other character that have been brought in have gotten in either due to being a retro, last minute clone, or as with the majority: they were requested characters.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I still wonder why they wouldn't add Pac though, at the moment he's going full force with a new lease on his gaming career and even that TV Show currently. Adding Pac would satisfy the whole world and both the new + old generation of gamers.

Because an average cartoon and a mediocre shovelware title suddenly makes you the cream of the crop.

 

[SmashChu]

Pac-Man was requested during the pre-Brawl days too. Of course with Namco working on the game interest in the character has sparked up much more than before, but I do remember Pac-Man being a discussed subject pre-Brawl too.

No he wasn't. He never came up. If you look at Shorties poll in 2010, you'll see it at the bottom.

 

[Pazzo.]

The way I see it, Little Mac is a classic character, and has a great chance.

Mii represents the Wii, one of Nintendo's greatest innovations. (Wait, isn't that all of Nintendo?)

 

[FlareHabanero]

No he wasn't. He never came up. If you look at Shorties poll in 2010, you'll see it at the bottom.

I recall Pac-man rarely being brought up, but NEVER dominated in any shape or form. He was just yet another possible third-party character that was brought up on rare occasions, but just like many of them, Pac-man was heavily overshadowed by Mega Man and Sonic. I recall Bomberman having stronger support actually...

 

[MasterOfKnees]

No he wasn't. He never came up. If you look at Shorties poll in 2010, you'll see it at the bottom.

Shortie Schmortie poll, I'm talking pre-Brawl where a lot of 3rd parties were talked about. Like Xenoblaze says though, he was mostly categorized alongside most other 3rd parties of course, being under the foot of Mega Man and Sonic, and even Bomber Man too, but the point was that he was brought up occasionally.

 

[SmashChu]

Shortie Schmortie poll, I'm talking pre-Brawl where a lot of 3rd parties were talked about. Like Xenoblaze says though, he was mostly categorized alongside most other 3rd parties of course, being under the foot of Mega Man and Sonic, and even Bomber Man too, but the point was that he was brought up occasionally.

Brought up like Toe Jam and Earl was brought up. Cloud and Master Chief were more popular than him. Pac-Man was never taken seriously.

 

[Jumpman84]

Because an average cartoon and a mediocre shovelware title suddenly makes you the cream of the crop.

May I borrow your time machine, seeing as you somehow know that a game is mediocre when it hasn't been released yet?

Also, I've wanted Pac-Man since back in 2003, when Pac-Man VS. came out. He's a pretty cool guy. So that answers your question.

 

[SmashChu]

May I borrow your time machine, seeing as you somehow know that a game is mediocre when it hasn't been released yet

Wow.......so exciting

 

[Jumpman84]

Wow.......so exciting

Oh yeah, I completely forgot that you're supposed to judge the entire game based on watching a short demo. Now hand me that book so I can judge it by its cover.

It actually looks a lot like Pac-Man World 2, which was pretty good. I'll wait for the reviews to see what the critics think before I make assumptions.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I know monday or tuesday is the momment of truth about pac man either gets confirmed or patience till final roster reveal and see if he made it

Also for the mii on halloween day in usa since wii party U comes out on halloween in japan

And little mac on november 21st for the punch out nes anniversary japan (if zelda gets confirmed early just like sonic little mac very likely to be revealed as well)

 

[SmashChu]

Oh yeah, I completely forgot that you're supposed to judge the entire game based on watching a short demo. Now hand me that book so I can judge it by its cover.

Forget having an opinion on a game before it's released. I can't say the game looks like a slow bland and uninspired 3D platformer. I have to shell out 50-60 bucks doing that. Forget making informed opinions.

It actually looks a lot like Pac-Man World 2, which was pretty good. I'll wait for the reviews to see what the critics think before I make assumptions.

In other words, an OK 3D Platformer. A rental, if you will.

 

[Jumpman84]

Forget having an opinion on a game before it's released. I can't say the game looks like a slow bland and uninspired 3D platformer. I have to shell out 50-60 bucks doing that. Forget making informed opinions.

You can have an opinion, but you shouldn't state it as fact. We may THINK it's a mediocre title, but we won't know for sure until the game comes out.

In other words, an OK 3D Platformer. A rental, if you will.

Exactly, you can rent it and try it out before buying it. Then you can make an informed decision. Unless 3D Platformers aren't your thing.

 

[Croco]

I don't care for Pac-Man.. but if he makes it.. I wouldn't be shocked..

 

[iam8bit]

Those arcade Mario Karts just NEED to be released on Virtual Console! They don't look as good as the console ones, but whatever.

Wow.......so exciting

By your arguments, Megaman wouldn't be in either. Or Sonic, for that matter. These characters are requested more for their legacy than for being current top-sellers or having recent high-quality games.

That said, I think Pac-man's inclusion is a toss-up. IMO, he may be too difficult to do a moveset for.

 

[SmashChu]

You can have an opinion, but you shouldn't state it as fact. We may THINK it's a mediocre title, but we won't know for sure until the game comes out.

I was never stating it as fact. I post it so you can assume it my opinion. I'm not going to say "wow........so exciting, I say sarcastically as I signify my opinion of this game isn't high." I shouldn't have to spell it out for you. You should be smarter than this.

Exactly, you can rent it and try it out before buying it. Then you can make an informed decision. Unless 3D Platformers aren't your thing.

No, I mean the game is worth a rental at best. It's a waste of a purchase. 3/5. Get my drift.

Mario 3D World and Sonic Lost Worlds will be better 3D platformers and offer a better experience.[/quote][/quote]

These characters are requested more for their legacy than for being current top-sellers or having recent high-quality games.

These characters requested because people like them and believe they are part of Nintendo's history. Megaman is considered just as much of a Nintendo character as any to fans and everyone wants to see the rivalry of Sonic and Mario. Pac-Man doesn't have that kind of connection with Nintendo.

In otherwords, legacy for legacy's sake is not a factor.

 

[DarkFoxTeam]

Wow there is way too much Pac-Man hate here. I honestly wouldn't mind Pac-Man being included in the game and it would be fun to see how his cinematic trailer would be like. Perhaps it would include an eating contest between him and Kirby xD

Also, are we still debating Pac-Man's movesets potential? Ive seen so many possible movesets in the Pac-Man thread and most of them work really well. I think some of you should really visit it if you want to see a moveset list.

 

[papagenos]

The denial is strong on smash boards... if anything this rumor is probably TRUE given the simple fact that: No One Could Guess Wii Fit Trainer. I repeat, NO ONE.

The only thing making it "false" is that nintendo held off revealing 3 out of 6 known characters... this in no way debunks this as some rumor, its clearly a fact that someone actually saw/heard nintendo at E3 (while the game is actually being set up to be showcased) saying "villager wii fit trainer and megaman" are in the game.

and then boom they were, the fact is thats not all they heard they heard 3 more characters so seriously start accepting this as fact or be prepared for a rude awakening if your against pacman and mii's....most seem cool with mac regardless but honestly start bracing for these reveals.