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[mach5]

http://www.gamefaqs.com the game of the decade poll for east divison is ssbm vs ssbb and they're very close.

 

[x After Dawn x]

falcon's not that bad, he just blows monkey balls at the sheik matchup and that will prevent him from ever being good

 

[mach5]

that shiek matchup isnt THAT bad. i honestly believe its a 50/50 matchup. its just based off of how lucky i get LOL

 

[Alphicans]

50-50 you say? Both characters have difficulty approaching eachother, but sheik has a projectile so you have to approach. Sheiks ftilt covers every option you have.

 

[ruhtraeel]

After losing 3 games to Allan,
Paul = "last match Sheik Falcon FoD let's go"
Allan = "no that's too much ****"


Count on Silentspectre finding something out to make Falcon **** all Sheiks

 

[mach5]

After losing 3 games to Allan,
Paul = "last match Sheik Falcon FoD let's go"
Allan = "no that's too much ****"


Count on Silentspectre finding something out to make Falcon **** all Sheiks

LOL thats because those small platforms prevent dair's from landing successfully.

this is how i play the matchup. you get close enough to shiek where she can either grab or dash attack you. and needling would be kinda stupid. falcon is the fastest character in the game.

once at that distance you wanna just throw a bunch of little jumps so if she goes for a grab/dash attack its a free aerial into grab.

grabs into chain grabs dthrow dthrow uthrow u air. then when shes free to run around again you repeat.

the problem with this matchup is getting out of the tech chase once you get grabbed you just have to hope they fk up.

thus my 50/50 logic of basically making this game on luck

 

[Tyson651]

And it's not really saving time when I have nobody to practice against. Better to play comps than to never play at all and get rusty

i dont play against comps at all, and i think its better to take a long break.

it makes you more creative the next time you play, and it semi breaks your bad habits.

Count on Silentspectre finding something out to make Falcon **** all Sheiks

lol

 

[ruhtraeel]

the problem with this matchup is getting out of the tech chase once you get grabbed you just have to hope they fk up.

FALCON KICK RESET
lol that's probably what I would do

 

[victra♥]

hax is really good vs sheiks

Only when your opponent doesn't want to play properly vs him. Ask Victor, he does not have fun vsing my sheik.

loool yeah. Most people feel too gay if they gay falcon out too much with sheik, making it a more doable match up.

sheik can pretty much beat falcon by walking and ftilting

edit: that poll is really interesting. It gives a nice indication that melee is still popular even though its older. I'm actually really surprised. Or that melee beat COD. :>

 

[Imagination]

you guys are ******** falcon doesn't suck

 

[ruhtraeel]

you guys are ******** falcon doesn't suck

Lol +1

There's so much Falcon hate in this thread. IMO he's a really good character, just not against Sheik, who happens to be able to be played easily and gayly.

Granted, he's one of those characters who don't do as well as they statistically should be, just cause other characters happen to have a lot of anti-Falcon specific stuff. Fast aerials, one that does 18%, a powerful meteor spike, strong smashes, etc, should result in an amazing character with L-cancelling. It just happens that so many other characters have ways to kill him, like the cape, etc etc etc anything that stops his aerial.

Jiggs is the complete opposite, as she statistically shouldn't be doing nearly as well as she does.


EDIT: Oh yeah, I also learned how to consistently shorten my side-B.

 

[T-block]

why shouldn't jiggs be doing nearly as well as she does?

she's the gayest character in a game that rewards playing gay

 

[victra♥]

no man falcon sucks but he is the funnest character for me so even you're getting ***** its fun.

 

[Stevo]

Falcon is 7th best in the game. (unless Wobbling is allowed)

Falcon sucks vs most top tier characters though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lOuAijj5zM&feature=related

 

[Alphicans]

Lol +1

There's so much Falcon hate in this thread. IMO he's a really good character, just not against Sheik, who happens to be able to be played easily and gayly.

Granted, he's one of those characters who don't do as well as they statistically should be, just cause other characters happen to have a lot of anti-Falcon specific stuff. Fast aerials, one that does 18%, a powerful meteor spike, strong smashes, etc, should result in an amazing character with L-cancelling. It just happens that so many other characters have ways to kill him, like the cape, etc etc etc anything that stops his aerial.

Jiggs is the complete opposite, as she statistically shouldn't be doing nearly as well as she does.


EDIT: Oh yeah, I also learned how to consistently shorten my side-B.

What!?!? Falcon does WAY better than he should in tournaments, and that's because he's over represented because people like his playstyle (understandable). Jiggs has a very disjointed aeiral, an amazing recovery, and top tier aerial mobility. She also has a 1 frame move that kills close to 0 which has many many set-ups. Jiggs is doing exactly how she should imo. You're forgetting that falcon's smashes have a lot of start-up and are just really slow without much range. He also has awful priority on most of his moves, so many characters can react to him with great ease to punish.

Characters better than falcon imo:

Fox
Falco
Jiggs
Sheik
Marth
Peach
Ganon
ICs
Maybe Doc

 

[FalseFalco]

doc ganon and IC's are not better than falcon. Ganon is probably even.

 

[Alphicans]

Doc ganon and IC's don't lose nearly as bad vs fox, falco, sheik and jiggs.

 

[FalseFalco]

Yeah they do.

 

[Imagination]

Lol +1

There's so much Falcon hate in this thread. IMO he's a really good character, just not against Sheik, who happens to be able to be played easily and gayly.

Granted, he's one of those characters who don't do as well as they statistically should be, just cause other characters happen to have a lot of anti-Falcon specific stuff. Fast aerials, one that does 18%, a powerful meteor spike, strong smashes, etc, should result in an amazing character with L-cancelling. It just happens that so many other characters have ways to kill him, like the cape, etc etc etc anything that stops his aerial.

Jiggs is the complete opposite, as she statistically shouldn't be doing nearly as well as she does.


EDIT: Oh yeah, I also learned how to consistently shorten my side-B.

your shiek my falcon mm

no man falcon is the funnest character for me so even when you're ****** white chicks its fun.

this

 

[x After Dawn x]

sorry victor, "falcon sucks" is not an appropriate john when you lose with him >_>

and doc ganon ICs are not better than falcon, that's the most ******** thing i've ever heard

 

[sleak-]

Ive got 2 more gay exams and all i want to to do is smash FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

 

[mach5]

i dont think anyone said falcon sucks. it just takes a lot more to play him.

 

[x After Dawn x]

i dont think anyone said falcon sucks. it just takes a lot more to play him.

Actually I retract that statement. Do whatever you want against falcon, cause he blows.

no man falcon sucks but he is the funnest character for me so even you're getting ***** its fun.

nuff said

 

[Subzer0_king68]

Indeed. Falcon does in fact suck.

 

[FalseFalco]

This match is another reason I still play smash bros.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aQX72cCR6Y

also from the youtube comments:

"Falco stands a good chance in this matchup because of his reflector. Without it Link's projectiles will overwhelm any falco"

 

[x After Dawn x]

lol the person who made that comment was virusblewmage, aka a huge troll that tries to imitate virusbluemage

good stuff

 

[Alphicans]

sorry victor, "falcon sucks" is not an appropriate john when you lose with him >_>

and doc ganon ICs are not better than falcon, that's the most ******** thing i've ever heard

Match-ups with top tiers . Doc does well vs jiggs and does ALRIGHT vs fox and falco and even sheik.

Ganon does better vs falco than falcon, and is better vs marth than falcon and probably does better vs sheik.

IC's goes even with sheik (maybe wins), and does pretty well vs falco. Loses just as bad vs fox, and doesn't do too bad marth.

At least have the balls to quote me and say it's the most ******** thing ever. Or at least say something after.

 

[Stevo]

I'd say falcon does ALRIGHT vs fox and falco too. and d-throw to knee actually works vs jiggs. (or at least it seems to)

not that you should be getting many grabs....

Doc sucks anyway. Mario all the way.

 

[x After Dawn x]

Match-ups with top tiers . Doc does well vs jiggs and does ALRIGHT vs fox and falco and even sheik.

Ganon does better vs falco than falcon, and is better vs marth than falcon and probably does better vs sheik.

IC's goes even with sheik (maybe wins), and does pretty well vs falco. Loses just as bad vs fox, and doesn't do too bad marth.

At least have the balls to quote me and say it's the most ******** thing ever. Or at least say something after.

first of all, you're assuming just because a matchup or two is better than another character's, that automatically makes that character better, which is not true at all

second off, your matchups are wrong. ganon and falcon do equally well (bad? lol) against falco and fox, but ganon gets ***** by sheik whereas some falcons (darkrain, mango, hax, and scar) claim the falcon sheik matchup isn't so bad and just takes adjusting because sheik can't approach falcon. additionally, more marths are afraid of falcon than of ganon, and they both do equally as well against jiggs, and whereas falcon has an even matchup with himself, ganon is at a disadvantage. not sure how the ICs matchup goes but i'll assume falcon probably does better in it

i don't care enough to list the rest of the matchups for other characters, but i should mention i find it funny that you would say i don't have balls when you almost cried because you forgot to hand in your psych lit assignment LOL

 

[FalseFalco]

@Luke

(Compared to Falcon)

-Ganon does worse against Falco
-Ganon does worse against Fox
-Doc does worse against Jiggs
-IC's do worse against Falco and Fox
-IC's worst matchup is Marth.

You're probably right about:

-Ganon does better against Marth
-IC's do better against Sheik


Also, Luke and Tyler should make out and stop the agony for the rest of us.

 

[Alphicans]

I should mention that I find it funny that you ask Grace to see if I almost cried and then she said no, then you came on to smashboards to say that I did.

You're arguing like an idiot right now saying that I am wrong and that you're right... You keep saying you haven't played the game forever yet you're right about ****? Word of top players is only a legit argument to an extent. Top players in brawl still think snake is the 2nd best character, but the majority of people think that he isn't. M2K thinks some match-up are bad for MK just because he's bad at them. Such a flawed argument.

@Carl:

Ganon doing worse vs falco and fox is debatable. Personally I think they do the same vs them.
Doc is considered a jiggs counter by a lot of players and normally is considered even by most. I don't see why you think doc does worse vs jiggs than falcon, when the general concensus is that jiggs hard counters falcon.
IC's do just as bad vs fox, but vs falco they're not too bad. Definitely better than falcon.
IC's worst match-up are ganon and peach, definitely not marth.

 

[x After Dawn x]

lol that's funny because i read that entire part of the conversation and you said "almost"

and when did i say my opinion is right yet i haven't played the game forever? are you blind?

yeah let's totally take luke's opinions on matchups when everybody else disagrees with them...

the fact that you're discrediting people that are loads better than you and saying i'm an idiot because i agree with them pretty much shows that you're the idiot here.

there's a reason the melee back room exists so top players can agree on things without the intrusive opinions of people that are nowhere near top level of melee, but try to weight their opinion in as if they are. there's things to be debated but the fact is that top players don't consider him as ****ty as you think and if you want to weigh in tournament results, falcon stands higher than peach and marth (last time i checked)

try not to cry when you read this btw

 

[Alphicans]

Tyler I really think you're dumb. I mean have fun ever trying to talk to Grace again.

 

[T-block]

UH OH

wait why does ganon beat ICs? that seems...unnatural

 

[ruhtraeel]

Also, Luke and Tyler should make out and stop the agony for the rest of us.

LOL I have been warned ahead of time about the LukeTyler logics.


Falcon does better vs Fox, but Ganon does better vs Falco in my personal experience

 

[sleak-]

wobbles said Captain falcon is IC's hardest match up then peach.

 

[Alphicans]

UH OH

wait why does ganon beat ICs? that seems...unnatural

Lol yeah I know considering the brawl match-up and all. IC's get shield pressured by ganon way too hard, because their ****ty grab range can't do anything vs ganon (even jab iirc). He also seperates them really well, and ***** nana extremely efficiently when they are seperated.

 

[Stevo]

UH OH

wait why does ganon beat ICs? that seems...unnatural

Warlock Punch Spike

 

[x After Dawn x]

aww poor baby, you have nothing left to say cause you know you're wrong so you call me dumb

dun cry!

hey luke do you remember one time when grace said you had a small **** and you apparently almost started crying in the middle of sobey's?

 

[ruhtraeel]

I can see Ganon beating IC's. Falcon relies half on his grab game, something that shouldn't be tried vs IC's. Ganon has more range than IC's and doesn't rely on grabs as much.

WTF is with this "Luke & Grace" stuff?
It's like
"FALCON SUCKS, AND GRACE SAID THIS AND THIS"
"HA"