Alabama Summer 2015 Melee Power Ranking

[Shenanigan]

You're talking like we were the driving force behind these spots. I just kinda nod my head or shake my head. Although I do feel like Spade is good enough to be where he is.

Well at some point one of you had to sit down and say, "Spade deserves to be on this power ranking." And not only that, someone decided that in addition to being PR worthy, he also deserved to be ranked above Mikeyy and Jimb0. Now if it turns out that Keno was the one who argued for that, then I apologize and redirect my question at him.

The truth is this list is formed mostly off of speculation because we don't play each other often enough to form an accurate PR. That's why I originally said forming a PR for our state is kind of silly.

See, this really bothers me. I can understand not having much info on Mikeyy and Wafe, but Ninkendo and Zoma have been to multiple tournaments in your own city, not to mention all the places they've traveled to around the state. And even if they haven't directly played each other, you can still speculate off of relative placings and common opponents.

I'ma get out of here before there is civil war

peace bruhs

Get back here, I'm not done with you yet.

Edit: I think the top 5 are pretty set in stone and that's what really matters amirite

I agree that the top five are pretty unarguable, but I believe that that makes 6-10 all the more important to get right.

Also @ j00t in particular, I get the impression that you don't really care about anyone outside of the top five. And that would be perfectly fine, were you not on the PR committee. When you're in a position like that people expect at least a little effort, not just you nodding or shaking your head and saying "forming a PR for our state is kind of silly."

 

[Shenanigan]

His only argument was "Spade doesn't belong here", and I pretty much said "Even though I feel he does, it is true that he doesn't have any good results so I agree". How was that not a defense :x

I gave you several tournament results, which is certainly better than:

I do feel like Spade is good enough to be where he is.

 

[Zoma]

His only argument was "Spade doesn't belong here", and I pretty much said "Even though I feel he does, it is true that he doesn't have any good results so I agree". How was that not a defense :x

That's not a defense, that's submission.

 

[j00t]

@ Shenanigan I don't really care about this entire PR because I do think it is silly for such a small state that hardly ever travels anywhere to have a PR. As far as I'm concerned moogle and I are the only ones on this PR that travel anywhere outside of the south. If you don't want me to be a panelist then I will gladly accept. As for Ninkendo and Zoma, I've only been in the same tournament with them once (HASL 5?). I'm not the one that looks at all the tournament results from every tournament and tries to form a PR based on that. I'm a panelist for my opinions, that is all.

@ Zoma I admitted to making a mistake, what more do you want from me? I'm not infallible. I make mistakes.

Looks like we'll need to redo the bottom 3 of this PR, and after that I am done with it

 

[_Keno_]

I agreed with spade's positioning despite not being from huntsville. He is a much tougher opponent than anyone listed below him, or anyone not on this list.

If this list is to be based off of SKILL, then spade is where he should be. If it should be a point-based system for ranking tournament placements, then lets do that.

 

[Zoma]

If you can't defend power rankings, they're just collections of random people you think are good.

And that's fine, but making a thread on smashboards about the collection of random people you think are good sends a haughty vibe.

 

[rolfcopter]

the only good person in the state of alabama was shot

rip mlk jr.

 

[moogle]

1) I think it would benefit us all to list our ranking criteria in the first post. Here's Washington's PR, for example:
http://smashboards.com/threads/wa-power-rankings-august-2014-update.94491/

From that post: "You will be positioned not strictly on tournament placings, but who you play in tournament, their status as a player and how it went down. If tournament results are too close to decide placings we will use our best judgement."

It would help the panel to have a consistent set of rules to use when deciding the rankings, and it would help the resultant list hold up better against scrutiny and criticism.

2) I think Spade's best quality win is over DairDevil from TN (Comparable to Zylo/saintrage/Roboturner IMO).
video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAlPvv4BzoM
KiT Results: http://smashboards.com/threads/387543/
TN Power Rankings: https://www.facebook.com/groups/TNPowerRankingsSmash/

Going on results alone, I think Mikey, Jimb0, Zoma, and NinKenDo have better quality wins compared to Spade. I think Spade has significantly improved in the past few months, but his results so far aren't as impressive as the others.

3) We should probably find a south AL representative to replace Ryker.

 

[j00t]

I knew spade was good

 

[Metmetm3t]

To Mobile Crew's defence, we go to as many tournaments as we can find. It's just that central AL's has been no-man's-land since the dawn of time, MS is a terrible state, LA has been drama city for the last year, Pensacola doesn't count and Tallahassee only hosts monthlies on the same weekend we do. Everything else is an 8 hour drive.

Now to bash Mobile (melee) Crew. WHY THE **** DIDN'T YOU GUYS COME TO AUSOM? Baka Stupid dummies. Pensacola literally brought the house and you dweebs sat at home.

Now that I've blamed everyone else. I'm going to go on with my perfect life. ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ

 

[rolfcopter]

To Mobile Crew's defence, we go to as many tournaments as we can find. It's just that central AL's has been no-man's-land since the dawn of time, MS is a terrible state, LA has been drama city for the last year, Pensacola doesn't count and Tallahassee only hosts monthlies on the same weekend we do. Everything else is an 8 hour drive.

Now to bash Mobile (melee) Crew. WHY THE **** DIDN'T YOU GUYS COME TO AUSOM? Baka Stupid dummies. Pensacola literally brought the house and you dweebs sat at home.

Now that I've blamed everyone else. I'm going to go on with my perfect life. ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ

but rag, nick, zap, and matt all went 2 the last ausom

 

[Child Star]

HASL is going to be really really hype.

 

[Zone]

I love you guys...

 

[j00t]

Gonna post matchup results for everyone on the PR from HASL because I'm feeling weird right now

j00t 2-0 Spud
j00t 2-0 Giga Chicken
j00t 2-0 Bob
j00t 2-1 Saintrage
j00t 3-1 moogle (Winners Finals)
j00t 3-0 moogle (Grand Finals)

moogle 2-0 Halt
moogle 2-1 Joogle (da fuq?)
moogle 2-0 Zoma
moogle 2-1 Keno
moogle 1-3 j00t (Winners Finals)
moogle 3-0 Keno (Losers Finals)
moogle 0-3 j00t (Grand Finals)

Keno 2-0 Moot
Keno 2-0 Hunybear
Keno 2-0 Spade
Keno 1-2 moogle
Keno 2-0 Bob
Keno 2-0 Fang (RIP ICs)
Keno 0-3 moogle

Saintrage 2-0 Forbidden
Saintrage 2-0 power
Saintrage 2-1 Jimb0
Saintrage 1-2 j00t
Saintrage 0-2 Fang

Jimb0 2-0 Moo
Jimb0 2-0 Tieske
Jimb0 1-2 Saintrage
Jimb0 2-0 Mer
Jimb0 1-2 Bob (GOOD **** BOB)

Spade 2-0 Dee
Spade 2-0 Cynic
Spade 0-2 Keno
Spade 0-2 Fang

Thoughts:

Jimbo and Spade had poor showings.

Saintrage loses to Fang for a second time! Is it the ICs matchup or is Fang just a beast?

Fang is pretty good and might be worthy of a PR slot.

Jimb0 and Spade didn't get to play in bracket. Jim wants blood :O

Also j00t is the best

 

[Child Star]

How much research went into that last comment?

 

[j00t]

Absolutely none. :D

 

[rolfcopter]

u couldnt back up ur claims earlier and now ur makin strides to do something about it
truly worthy of being the best j00t

 

[Mikeyy]

My wins greatly surpass anything Zylo has done, fact.
I've taken Rice to game five, last hit, last stock in a winners finals set and he's better than anyone in the state.
I've beaten Ragnarok, Zone, Ninkendo, Oppa, and I body Roboturner.
Zylo got bopped by Robo and lost to Ninkendo.
Zylo also lost to Jimbo, then Zone beat Jimbo.
Sure I have a few questionable losses, but sometimes that happens.
I'm also an insomniac, so sometimes I compete in tournaments after being awake for 30 plus hours.
At the mothers days tournament I was in zombie mode, I got no sleep and was drunk.
I was autopilot all day and Zylo barly outplace me.
Anyone who believes he's on my level is just silly.

 

[Mikeyy]

I also beat Freddy[Owl]. Freddy has beaten Rag lots of times.
Rag just recently bet him for the first time and then a second time shortly after.

 

[j00t]

I've taken Rice to game five, last hit, last stock in a winners finals set and he's better than anyone in the state.

Woah now let's back off on that **** :x

 

[rolfcopter]

edit my smash wiki page to say i took a game off tope
#ianmooneyera

 

[Zylo]

So what I got out of that comment is that you John for all your bad showings and say that bad losses happen, but my LESS questionable losses are somehow more important. If you're comparing Freddy you beat last weekend to a Freddy any longer than five months ago, that's a terrible comparison, and anyone from louisiana will tell you that. He has significantly fallen off since many moons ago when he probably last beat rag. I'd love to hear your tournament record against rice and rag, since other than that one tournament where you did well, I fail to see a trend. Roboturner and I had a close set, so I feel like saying he bopped me is a huge misrepresentation of the tournament. Furthermore, this is a tournament where I outplaced you AND you had worse losses. In my opinion, you're a player with very high variance in results who ignores his bad losses and boasts his accomplishments, johns about the tournaments you do poorly at, and grossly misrepresents other peoples' and your own performances to make yourself seem like a better player than you are.

 

[Shenanigan]

Anyone who believes he's on my level is just silly.

You're right, he's clearly better than you.

 

[RAM]

U kids and ur drugs. Whoboy took me 20 mins to get my password for smash boards but I just wanted to agree about Fang being a beast and should be watched in the future. Other then that before I move I'm calling out Thrash bag I mean Ragnarok, Moogle the silent Killer and his Majesty of the dingleberry state Joot just because I lack presence in this conversation XD

 

[Mikeyy]

Woah now let's back off on that **** :x

But he is, he bodied the Bowser!!!!

 

[j00t]

Yea yea :/

 

[Mikeyy]

Yea yea :/

I'm sorry.

 

[j00t]

also Ram I would love to play you.

 

[skaterbaj]

IMO Mikeyy should be over spade. Pensacola tournies are more convenient for him. Also, Mikkey plays higher caliber players in Pensacola/Louisiana. The talent pool here is larger than BIO and HASL. Lol at the Panel. Put mikeyy on there as the South AL rep. Ryker is PM 4smash and rag is rarely online but im glad yall got his spot right

 

[Zylo]

IMO Mikeyy should be over spade. Pensacola tournies are more convenient for him. Also, Mikkey plays higher caliber players in Pensacola/Louisiana. The talent pool here is larger than BIO and HASL. Lol at the Panel. Put mikeyy on there as the South AL rep. Ryker is PM 4smash and rag is rarely online but im glad yall got his spot right

Imo he should be as well. If we included mikey in the panel, we would get nothing done, as he would proceed to **** talk until we accomplished nothing.

 

[Sickolas]

Imo he should be as well. If we included mikey in the panel, we would get nothing done, as he would proceed to **** talk until we accomplished nothing.

Idk there's also like a 50% chance of him just getting wasted and instantly forgetting he's on the panel to never return.
edit: love u mikey

 

[Zylo]

I would like to announce that I will be discontinuing my coordination and involvement of the Alabama power ranking. My original intentions for the power ranking were for it to foster competition, incentive people to travel, and rally and unify the state. However, few players are traveling to other areas, and I feel that we are even more regionally divided than we were at the inception of the power ranking. Furthermore, it had been a large source of hate directed towards me especially but also towards other members of the committee. If anyone would like to step up to organize future power rankings they are more than able to fill the gap, but I will have no further involvement in the process.

 

[Zone]

I feel like when you rank yourself above people and they disagree. Should put yourself on the spot and take a Bo5 from anyone below who challenges. I know you don't like doing money matches but when someone who's below you in the PR wants to money match and after the tourney cuz they didn't get to fight you. You should prove to them w/o a doubt you deserve their spot. If you're truly sure you're above someone, you should be able to beat them at a higher % rate.

I run te pensacola/HP PR, except I did it like a tier list. A lot less butt hurt when you group people in a skill level group.

Example:
Rice - S tier
A tier - ragnarock zone heyden
b tier - robo turner, mikeyy

So this list tells you rice pretty muh wins all the tournies, zone/rag/oppa fight for 2nd>4th. With the occasional upset from B tier in top 4. Assuming everyone shows up.

I got a lot less butt hurt with this method and you can include lower letters and add as many people as you want

 

[Zylo]

I feel like when you rank yourself above people and they disagree. Should put yourself on the spot and take a Bo5 from anyone below who challenges. I know you don't like doing money matches but when someone who's below you in the PR wants to money match and after the tourney cuz they didn't get to fight you. You should prove to them w/o a doubt you deserve their spot. If you're truly sure you're above someone, you should be able to beat them at a higher % rate.

I run te pensacola/HP PR, except I did it like a tier list. A lot less butt hurt when you group people in a skill level group.

Example:
Rice - S tier
A tier - ragnarock zone heyden
b tier - robo turner, mikeyy

So this list tells you rice pretty muh wins all the tournies, zone/rag/oppa fight for 2nd>4th. With the occasional upset from B tier in top 4. Assuming everyone shows up.

I got a lot less butt hurt with this method and you can include lower letters and add as many people as you want

I will not be ranking myself above anyone as I am no longer taking part in the PR at all. I want no part in the PR, and I'm just going to focus on my individual tournament performance. I really don't want to worry about being attacked for not "defending my ranking" when there are things I'd rather focus on.

 

[j00t]

that's an interesting take on it, Zone. I'll think about moving to that structure for the next PR update. Assuming there is one

 

[Zone]

It's a lot easier to manage and I very rarely get people who are upset.

It still has all the benefits of of what a PR should do, encourage moving up. And often times without necessarily needing to move people down.

 

[MasterIcarus7 (SHADE)]

I would like to announce that I will be discontinuing my coordination and involvement of the Alabama power ranking. My original intentions for the power ranking were for it to foster competition, incentive people to travel, and rally and unify the state. However, few players are traveling to other areas, and I feel that we are even more regionally divided than we were at the inception of the power ranking. Furthermore, it had been a large source of hate directed towards me especially but also towards other members of the committee. If anyone would like to step up to organize future power rankings they are more than able to fill the gap, but I will have no further involvement in the process.

I am working creating a ranking based solely on tourney results, but it is somewhat limited, due to the current lack of results threads.

 

[rolfcopter]

just use garpr

 

[Hunybear]

Summer 2015 update! Panelists include j00t, Keno, moogle, and Zylo.

1. j00t
2. moogle
3. ragnarock
4. RAM
5. Keno
6. Zylo
7. saintrage
8. Spade
9. Mikeyy
10. Jimb0

i have to money match all of you now :T come to the same damn place for once

 

[ZeNub]

Yo I heard that guy Noah or Zen is a monster. He definetly going to be top 5 before summer of next year.


I mean...that's just word on the street.