Air realease + spike on Wario

[Drizzt6195]

Just as Falco (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=224799) I think DK has an air release to spike on Wario
It's quite simple : air release Wario at the edge , jump and Dair SPIKE !
I've been able to do it on CPUs but have nobody to test it against

 

[daisho]

I would think that we have too much startup lag to hit him and they would be able to air dodge, not sure. (Falco has it because his spike is really fast). But if this works from a cargo release that would be awesome... grab him anywhere cargo and then spike.

 

[Drizzt6195]

Doesnt work with cargo but the timing isn't so easy, you really need to Dair the same time as you jump

 

[TheNix]

To be guaranteed to hit with something out of an air release, it needs to happen within 20 frames. DK's dair takes 18 frames, plus the time it takes to jump (6 frames IIRC). As such, it shouldn't be guaranteed. Even if it was, it would probably only kill if Wario doesn't have his second jump OR his bike; we are much better off doing for an upsmash or fully charged punch.

 

[Ussi]

first off good luck grabbing wario on the edge, if at all lol.

 

[Drizzt6195]

Should have checked the frama data but had urgent homework =D

 

[i1337]

lol.

10funnies

 

[OmegaXF]

It's called Grab Release
Not Air Release.

 

[PhantomX]

It's called Grab Release
Not Air Release.

It's actually called a "stop being a lamer" release.

 

[Ussi]

It's called Grab Release
Not Air Release.

It is called air release... cause grab release is to vague since there is both air AND ground release... Wario only get Air released gay'd, not ground released. He was specifying the type of grab release.

 

[KoSa!]

I can picture a walk of dair or fair, on MK and Wario.

 

[Jmex]

So does this actually work?

 

[itsthebigfoot]

^ probably not since they can just DI and tech it, or just DI onto the stage.

would only really work on stages with platforms out over the ledge, and then you'd have to grab wario there.

seriously, you spike them right next to the ledge, DI in and it stops working

 

[TheNix]

Just keep a fully charged punch for if you manage to grab Wario at a high %, or upsmash if you manage to grab him at a low % (or if you grab him later and don't have a charged punch).
Don't waste your time trying to grab him over an edge.

 

[magikguy]

yeahs that's more reliable

 

[itsthebigfoot]

if you do grab him over the ledge, punch would probably ko quicker anyway

 

[nash123]

What Nix said, why bother with a spike that the wario can meteor cancel which the spike doesnt even work anyways when you can just punch?

 

[Drizzt6195]

Because I think we all love to spike :D

And if the motobie is already used he wouldnt be able to do a thing

But anyway it doesn't work

 

[Jmex]

Jingo Joe!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jingo_Joe]

Jmex!!!!!!!!!


EDIT: Also, if this is legit, I'm probably still going to go for a Giant's Punch. Good to know though (especially if I don't have one charged)!

 

[Jmex]

Lol, told you it was me. So weird.

 

[itsthebigfoot]

if you don't have a punch stocked just fsmash him

 

[Ragnar0k]

Fsmash isn't guaranteed.

 

[itsthebigfoot]

really? it takes 4 frames for them to air dodge, so you should be able to get it out, since you have 24 frames

 

[Ragnar0k]

He can double jump if he times it right. For the most part fsmash will hit unless they time their jump perfect.

 

[Jmex]

Quick old question. Grab release with Wario will lead to a sliding up smash, fully charged DK punch. Does DK's forward smash also work? I forgot.

 

[daisho]

if you don't have a punch stocked just fsmash him

Quick old question. Grab release with Wario will lead to a sliding up smash, fully charged DK punch. Does DK's forward smash also work? I forgot.

there you go.

 

[Big O]

Lol I tested this out and it works. It is really hard to do it frame perfectly though. Wario can't jump out of the way attack or airdodge before getting hit. The aerial release gives DK 21 frames of advantage and Wario is invincible on frame 25 while a jumping Dair attacks on frame 24. I wouldn't advise going for this though since messing up will probably get you punished.

 

[Jmex]

Ahhh, so forward smash works as well? Good to know.

 

[Big O]

In fact, if they double jump as soon as possible you will Fsmash them while eating their double jump.