After Ultimate, will the next Smash be a complete reboot?

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I'm totally fine with going back to basics and starting fresh, with the condition that there are major overhauls, either to the game mechanics or character movesets and presentation. Only the bare essential, A-list Nintendo stars. Redo all the classic fighters like Mario, DK, Samus, Pikachu, etc. with new movesets that provide a different interpretation of their characters while still pulling faithfully from their source material. Have a new stage list, basing the new stages off of games that haven't been represented before. Go in a new art direction (cel-shaded, maybe?) and compose all-new music and sound effects to give the game a fully new feel to it. If they ever intend to do a reboot, I'd want them to go out of their way to make it feel as fresh as possible in order to justify that. I'd want it to feel like a reimagining of the series overall, and not like just another sequel but this time with less content. To me, Ultimate truly seems like the perfect Smash game as it is, so I'm not even sure if they could realistically improve on it if they continue on with the series as-is, and honestly, I think that's the intention on the part of the developers anyway.

However, rather than merely rebooting and starting from scratch, after Ultimate, I'd actually be more interested in seeing them take the Smash brand into new territories with different types of games and genres. I'd love to have a Nintendo all-stars racing game, or an RPG, or something else entirely. They can do a lot more with the Nintendo crossover concept than just a fighting game, and there's so much untapped potential there that I'd like to see explored.
 

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Shower thought. Imagine if instead of Assist Trophies, there were now Assist Characters, working the same way they do in J-Stars Victory VS? (For anyone who's not aware on how they work, you can summon the selected Assist at any time, and then need to wait a minute or so until they're ready again.) I think this would be a plus, and I'd definitely be all for including them in my matches! It'd be better if you could choose three Assists per fighter, that you could cycle through.
 
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Honestly I hope they do reboot it. like don't get me wrong: I'm super hyped for all the content Ultimate is going to have. I'm sure it's going to be the best Smash Bros. game to date for most people. All the characters, stages, the likelihood of a story mode, all the wonderful additions mechanically and content-wise, it's looking awesome. But after this I actually want the next game to gut half the roster, get back to basics, and have very different feel to it from the previous Smash games. Brawl, Smash 4, and Ultimate while different in many ways have fairly similar physics to each other, just for an example of something I'd like Smash 6 to try and be very different from. I think while it'd be sad for a lot of people, a lot of the lesser popular characters in Smash Bros. can safely be retired for at least one game. Same goes for items and Assist Trophies and Pokémon from Poké Balls: get rid of a lot of the fluff and focus on just a small but very good selection.
 

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Oh most definitely. What else could there possibly be to do? I’m actually hoping for them to do a reboot and give a whole new complete cast of characters. We could vote for our top 20/30 favorite characters and they base the game around that.

That way Bayonetta won’t ever be allowed back in :v
 
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To be honest I don't know were the series will go after Ultimate.

The reboot idea might seem interesting, but what's the point of a game with the same gameplay but just a smaller roster and overall less content? Who would be appealed to a game like that when Ultimate is around? The competitive scene is still a minority among the people who buy Smash Bros, so it would be hard to sell them a game with less content from what they already own. And it doesn't even help that a smaller roster equals a great amount of cuts, and not just among the clones/semi clones. Seeing a Smash game without Captain Falcon, Ness or Ice Climbers (because there is no way they would be kept for a reboot since they are irrelevant now) would just feel wrong.

And changing the gameplay might also be very risky, considering that Smash gameplay is designed to be easy to understand. Changing it, like bringing it to 3D or similar, might alienate the previous fans and not convince new players to join in, making it a financial blow. It might be interesting but it might also fail badly, which isn't something that you would want to do with one of your biggest IP.


I surely don't want to be in Sakurai's shoes when the time comes for a new Smash, and personally I belive that just updating Ultimate with new content might be the only solution for keepeing on appealing to the wider demographic.
 
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Ultimate will be ultimate, I dont see us getting everyone returning again on top of adding more characters.

I'd love a reboot, cut all the clones and echos and characters that we straight up dont need (:ultjigglypuff::ultpichu: being the biggest offenders), give us a smaller roster sure, as long as they update characters movesets.

Mario with cappy moves
Luigi with luigi's mansion stuff
GANONDORF PLEASE FIX HIM ALREADY

Among others.

I'd also like a fresh start on stages, in Ultimate we will have so many, but so few are actually new. I love that most of the stages are returning for the ultimate game but I'd like some new ones.
 

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I think a modernized Link would be cool, too. The Link in Smash Ultimate does take elements from the current Link, but still feels mostly like the Link from the past Smash games.
An Olimar with more Pikmin on the stage, and of course Rock Pikmin, whatever Pikmin are introduced in the next Pikmin and possibly (rare) Bulbmin.
Mega Man with some of his newer abilities.
Inkling with Splatoon 3 specials and weapons.
Mii to represent Mii games better.
 

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if having a sequel means changing how smash is played then I am out, defiantly if it's 3d we have so many of those already
 

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Shower idea.

Next Smash game decides to represent every generation of Pokémon with playable fighters, any generation previously unrepresented is given a playable Legendary/Ultra Beast as well as a non-Legendary Pokémon.
Kanto - Pikachu
Johto - Scizor
Hoenn - Gardevoir, Deoxys
Sinnoh - Empolion
Unova - Mienshao, Victini
Kalos - Delphox
Alola - Decidueye

The Pokémon I'd be most happy to see in Smash would be Garchomp and Deoxys, though. Sceptile or Decidueye would be great too.
 

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I give it 5 years minimum beforeseeing a new Smash game though. Or when Nintendo releases a new console. No Smash game has been a port, so why would they start with the next one?
 
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I give it 5 years minimum beforeseeing a new Smash game though. Or when Nintendo releases a new console. No Smash game has been a port, so why would they start with the next one?
The next one could just be a port of ultimate with more content, so people wouldn’t complain about the next game feeling lackluster in comparison to ultimate.
 

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I definitely don't agree with the port idea, especially given that Sakurai has discussed the next game, a little bit.
"I’m sure there are a lot of people who have questions like “What about the next entry in the series!?” No matter how I think about it, the number of fighters will probably decrease – I can’t foresee another title having absolutely everybody appear. Despite the immense reaction we received in response to the “Everyone is Here!” reveal, we may have just opened a Pandora’s box that has messed with the future of the series."
I'm expecting a reboot.
 

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Imagine if the next game's message was "Nobody is here!" because every single playable character was a unique newcomer.
 
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"Rebooting" Smash is not possible. That implies that a series is returning to it's roots.
But... there are no roots for Smash to return to because it never left its roots.
Next Smash will just be business as usual. At most we'll lose a third-party that was too difficult to work with and a handful of veterans they just didn't prioritze.

Actually Ultimate is closer to a reboot than anything I could imagine since it removed Trophies, which was one of the few consistent elements of the franchise from Melee up to Smash for WiiU.
 
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The only way I can see something like a reboot happening is if they go the route of making the smash’s adventure mode incredibly story heavy. Like something that’d treat them like they’ve never met before and telling a story about them coming together to defeat X antagonist.
 

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I could see them trimming down the roster. Sakurai did say that "Everyone Is Here" is something that's unlikely to ever happen again, especially considering how many 3rd parties they would have to get the licenses to use. I also think that "Everyone Is Here" spoiled the fanbase and made a lot of people here unable to accept characters being cut.
 

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I could see them trimming down the roster. Sakurai did say that "Everyone Is Here" is something that's unlikely to ever happen again, especially considering how many 3rd parties they would have to get the licenses to use. I also think that "Everyone Is Here" spoiled the fanbase and made a lot of people here unable to accept characters being cut.
I agree. SSB6 might not generate the same excitement as SSBU has, and it probably won't sell as many copies as SSBU has. Players only care about characters. Meanwhile, I will be happy to have a small roster again. I'd like to see Sakurai go with a protagonist-antagonist concept to cut the roster. Hell, perhaps create a Smash game like Justice League Dark and only have the villains. (Justice League Dark isn't really like that, but well-known heroes like Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman aren't part of this Justice League. Bye, Mario, Link, and Samus. Hello, Bowser, Ganondorf, and Ridley.)
 

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What is there to reboot exactly?

It’s a fighting/party game, not a single player game with story and varying degrees of gameplay.

If you mean changing up every characters moveset, I don’t think that will go down well.

Looking at Tekken, Street Fighter, etc, those games didn’t change all that much in terms of movesets. Ryu still has hadoken, shoryuken, etc and imagine changing that up just to “reboot” street fighter.

No reboot necessary imo.

Unless you mean a change in art direction? Like how SF4 adopted the new (ugly) art direction and character models to replace the character sprites.
 

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What is there to reboot exactly?

It’s a fighting/party game, not a single player game with story and varying degrees of gameplay.

If you mean changing up every characters moveset, I don’t think that will go down well.

Looking at Tekken, Street Fighter, etc, those games didn’t change all that much in terms of movesets. Ryu still has hadoken, shoryuken, etc and imagine changing that up just to “reboot” street fighter.

No reboot necessary imo.

Unless you mean a change in art direction? Like how SF4 adopted the new (ugly) art direction and character models to replace the character sprites.
When people talk about a Smash reboot, they mean cutting the roster down to a smaller size and change up the movesets of the characters that already exist.
 

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When people talk about a Smash reboot, they mean cutting the roster down to a smaller size and change up the movesets of the characters that already exist.
That is not what a reboot is. Those people calling it a reboot are using the wrong word and shouldn't be encouraged.
 

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I know Sakurai says that it might not be possible to bring all these characters back, but I feel like that is similar to him calling each new game the last one.
 

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I know Sakurai says that it might not be possible to bring all these characters back, but I feel like that is similar to him calling each new game the last one.
Except the roster may get to the point where it would get too big to the point where balancing is downright impossible. Sooner or later, they would have to downsize the roster.
 

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When people talk about a Smash reboot, they mean cutting the roster down to a smaller size and change up the movesets of the characters that already exist.
Cutting the roster down I get, since licensing some characters again, like Banjo, might be difficult.

As I said when it comes to changing movesets of characters that already exist, not a good idea. Don’t think it’s necessary and might not go down well.

Other fighting games don’t do this, so I don’t think smash should either.
 

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I would prefer a remake instead of a reboot. I love smash ultimate and where it is going, so I think it would be great to keep this roster and move forward on technology aspects with gaming hardware, graphics, physics engine etc. Also introduce quality of life updates such as modes, options, and customizations.

A few moves could use minor changes, but that's a matter of my own opinion. Smash ultimate is an excellent game and it's the best one in the series by far.
 
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