A world without drugs

[Colonel Cuddles]

Take a minute to imagine a world without drugs. Less homicides, *****, etc. Our technology could be more advanced. I make this thread because today I saw a girl smoking a joint, another one talking about getting high, and a kid talking about giving a kid heroin. All of them will have problems that could possibly seriously harm there wellness. I think a world without drugs would be much better. Share your thoughts.

 

[Crimson King]

I'll imagine a world without drugs: everyone is dead.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Take a minute to imagine a world without drugs. Less homicides, *****, etc. Our technology could be more advanced. I make this thread because today I saw a girl smoking a joint, another one talking about getting high, and a kid talking about giving a kid heroin. All of them will have problems that could possibly seriously harm there wellness. I think a world without drugs would be much better. Share your thoughts.

I imagine everyone would be dead of disease.

So yeah, I guess the world WOULD be much better without drugs!

 

[BEHR]

^^^^^^^^^

What they said.

 

[Crimson King]

Since LT also posted the same joke, I'll go into the actual topic.

There is absolutely no proof anything you suggested would happen like you suggested. Prove to me that drug use has hindered any progress whatsoever. Drug laws are what keep crime rates up, which in turn cause a higher homicide rate in drug deals that go bad.

Also, if you want to get rid of drugs, and I am assuming you mean just illicit drugs, you will fail. First, weed can grow anywhere. So, there is no getting rid of that. Secondly, most legal drugs can be abused for similar effects (alcohol and pain pills for example). You want to illegalize those too? Read up on Prohibition then get back at me.

 

[Colonel Cuddles]

I meant more of like non abusable meds, and nonexistant "bad" drugs ie weed. And yes I know some "bad" drugs can be used to heal, but just get rid of bad effects. I know in todays world drugs will never just "end", but this is more of an anti drug kinda thread. Not saying this world could ever be cleansed of "bad" drugs.

 

[Crimson King]

There is no way to answer the thread then. If you are asking for a totally hypothetical "what if the world had no drugs or only drugs that did good," you are asking for a large gap in logic. There's just no way to say "if there was no weed, there would be no crime."

 

[Luigitoilet]

I meant more of like non abusable meds, and nonexistant "bad" drugs ie weed. And yes I know some "bad" drugs can be used to heal, but just get rid of bad effects. I know in todays world drugs will never just "end", but this is more of an anti drug kinda thread. Not saying this world could ever be cleansed of "bad" drugs.

In addition to what CK said, you have to define what "bad" means in this case. Also, There is a universe of difference between marijuana and heroin/any really powerful drug. Nobody is going to rob houses solely because of weed, that's just silly.

 

[Shy Guy]

This is a really dumb topic. Still, I will say I cannot ****ing stand drug addicts.

 

[Colonel Cuddles]

This is a really dumb topic. Still, I will say I cannot ****ing stand drug addicts.

Yeah, just really wanted to say this somehow, not an easy topic to discuss on a forum.

 

[jugfingers]

Take a minute to imagine a world without drugs. Less homicides, *****, etc. Our technology could be more advanced. I make this thread because today I saw a girl smoking a joint, another one talking about getting high, and a kid talking about giving a kid heroin. All of them will have problems that could possibly seriously harm there wellness. I think a world without drugs would be much better. Share your thoughts.

homocides??? *****??? a byproduct of smoking cannabis?


a world without weed would look like less people sitting on couches watching movies and Frito-lay losing money.


I believe your thinking of a world without greed, confusion or hate. lol

 

[SuperBowser]

It's probably more useful to examine why people use illicit drugs. Blindly banning things merely attacks the symptom, not the cause.

Some drugs like marijuana aren't actually that bad for your health either.

 

[Colonel Cuddles]

Well drugs do cloud making decisions and can make you feel like Superman, invincible.

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

This world would be pure fantasy even with lets say all plants that are used to manufacture drugs do not exist some chemist would discover the chemical composition of said drug. So really it would be impossible except in extreme circumstances. Like the one Crimson king said... well even then they would exist but no one would be using them, but I under stand were you are coming from that would be nice if some people were not so weak willed.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

You can say you wish the world had no drug addicts, but a world without drugs would never happen.

 

[Luigitoilet]

You can say you wish the world had no drug addicts, but a world without drugs would never happen.

I don't think a world without addicts is possible either though.

 

[Shy Guy]

^ Yup, unfortunately its in human nature. Something that can't really be changed for some people.

 

[GoldShadow]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Colonel Cuddles has never tried any of the drugs he wants to banish.

This is not to say everybody should try everything, but there are a number of innocuous and/or harmless drugs out there that a lot of people seem to condemn for no reason.

 

[IAmBlu3]

Drug laws are what keep crime rates up, which in turn cause a higher homicide rate in drug deals that go bad.

couldn't agree more

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Colonel Cuddles has never tried any of the drugs he wants to banish.

this too.

i think your view of a world without drugs is wayyy too optimistic...

 

[Shy Guy]

Drug laws are what keep crime rates up, which in turn cause a higher homicide rate in drug deals that go bad.

Please elaborate on this.

Also who cares if he never tried any drugs? Why does that matter at all? Doesn't mean he couldn't just read up or educate himself on the subject.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Please elaborate on this.

Also who cares if he never tried any drugs? Why does that matter at all? Doesn't mean he couldn't just read up or educate himself on the subject.

Er, you know there are thousands of people in prison for marijuana possession right? I can't quantify his second statement though. That's probably what you were referring to.

And does this guy come off as educated about the subject?

 

[CRASHiC]

Taking drugs doesn't make you educated on the subject though.

CK, if you want an example of drugs hindering society, just a basic knowledge of what Opium did to China is enough to show the effects that mass drug use can have on a nation.

 

[Fuelbi]

I meant more of like non abusable meds, and nonexistant "bad" drugs ie weed.

But wait, marijuana is used for medical purposes

 

[CRASHiC]

Not to heal though, just to take people's minds off pain.

 

[Pikaville]

I'll imagine a world without drugs: everyone is dead.

This is such a great answer.

The fact of the matter is that you can't say that the world would be a better place because It's more than likely untrue.

In fact I believe a good few mentionable discoveries have been made while under the influence of drugs.

For example Francis Crick, the man who discovered the double helix, was under the influence of LSD when he made his find.

I believe the man who implemented the first computer system was also on LSD when it all clicked into place for him.(Can't find his name anywhere)

Plus bands like Pink Floyd wouldn't be as amazing either.

Some drugs are good, not all.........some.

 

[IAmBlu3]

are we putting all drugs in the same category or going based off level of hindrance? because i highly doubt weed would be comparable to opium.

 

[Pikaville]

are we putting all drugs in the same category or going based off level of hindrance? because i highly doubt weed would be comparable to opium.

This made me laugh uncontrollably because it's so true.

You can smoke a billion joints and still be fine, one hit of opium could have you in a vegetative state for at least 10 hours........wait.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

I don't believe that opiates have the true ability to throw one into a vegetative state after one dose. It really depends on what you would define as a "hit". If it is a larger dose, then of course it may be rather powerful and harmful, as it can slow down the rate of breathing to a level so low that unconsciousness is brought on, and that leads to worse things if the dose is large enough.

Yet if it's defined as small, well, it won't do much.

 

[IAmBlu3]

You can smoke a billion joints and still be fine, one hit of opium could have you in a vegetative state for at least 10 hours........wait.

haha yeah but you can still OD on opium.

besides, without weed, we'd never have this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU

 

[Pikaville]

Maybe vegetative was too strong a word.

Ok should have said "spaced out lazy ******* mode"

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Or you could just shorten it to "delusional" or "delirious".

Because that is an easy description of the state one's set into after dosing on opiates.

 

[Teran]

Bad things don't necessarily have bad long term consequences.

For example, Hitler massacring Jews and whatnot caused a big jolt in the worldwide community that caused them to develop a better sense of tolerance to all. Had he not gone all out insane, maybe the world wouldn't have advanced so much socially.

 

[Crimson King]

Taking drugs doesn't make you educated on the subject though.

CK, if you want an example of drugs hindering society, just a basic knowledge of what Opium did to China is enough to show the effects that mass drug use can have on a nation.

Poor example since this was the point of the introduction of Opium into China by the East India Tea Company. They intentionally introduced large amounts of Opium to the lower echelons of society, got them addicted, then restricted the access of opium to the country. This created a culture that craved it, paid high prices for it, and committed crimes for it. This is restriction isn't unlike how the US has once allowed most drugs (opium was used for surgery, LSD was used for treating schizophrenics, pot was illegal, and cocaine was brought in via military). Once the people became extremely addicted, their means to it were restricted. With the higher end, harder drugs, people sought crime to get their fix. With weed, people just either turned to booze and cigarettes once drug tests began to target weed, stopped altogether, or got more creative with hiding it.

 

[Dodongo]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Colonel Cuddles has never tried any of the drugs he wants to banish.

I'm positive that your assumption is correct. People want to blame substances for social problems, and they lump many dissimilar things into one group with a notoriously negative connotation. It's like Eric said, almost all drug-related violence is the result of artificial scarcity caused by those who profit from prohibition. This profit could be monetary or social (think about what a religious organization has to gain by making something pleasurable and natural seem like sin).

It's a simple rule of economics that a black market will always appear if the supply of an attractive good is needlessly stifled.

 

[Lurker guy]

Music, War, or anything created or though up by someone who was on drugs at the time would be dramatically changed, most likely for worse. And as others have said, it's literally impossible. If you somehow got a wish from a genie and made all narcotics or whatever you consider "bad drugs" to disappear, and all abuse of prescription drugs to somehow end, than there would be no drug addicts. Humans would just find something else to be addicted to.

 

[Mr.Freeman]

I'm positive that your assumption is correct. People want to blame substances for social problems, and they lump many dissimilar things into one group with a notoriously negative connotation. It's like Eric said, almost all drug-related violence is the result of artificial scarcity caused by those who profit from prohibition. This profit could be monetary or social (think about what a religious organization has to gain by making something pleasurable and natural seem like sin).

It's a simple rule of economics that a black market will always appear if the supply of an attractive good is needlessly stifled.

i.e Prohibition Era.

We all now what happened there.

 

[freeman123]

Take a minute to imagine a world without drugs. Less homicides, *****, etc. Our technology could be more advanced. I make this thread because today I saw a girl smoking a joint, another one talking about getting high, and a kid talking about giving a kid heroin. All of them will have problems that could possibly seriously harm there wellness. I think a world without drugs would be much better. Share your thoughts.

The violence that's associated with drugs is caused by the black market that exists because drugs are illegal.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Dextromethorphan (DXM) is a chemical present in over-the-counter cough medicine like Robitussin and can lead to distortion and dissociation due to its ability to cross the blood-brain barrier. Dust remover contains difluoroethane that is primarily abused by kids so they can feel lightheaded. Theoretically speaking, you would have to pull off so many common household commodities from the shelves in order to completely shut down the supply of drugs to be abused by individuals. Even under these conditions, they would probably find something else to quickly replace as a new alternative.

 

[Ballistics]

That is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard. A world without drugs aside from killing everyone on medication, myself included, would be the most boring place ever.

First of all you have to stop relating things like heroine and marijuana. Although they are both drugs they are in no way the same.

With that being said, I happen to agree that there are some drugs the world could do without.

1. Anti depressants - EDIT: In the big picture perhaps a necessary evil.
2. Oxycodon - This is an opiate derivative that is EXTREMELY addictive and is probably the most abused drug today. If you can avoid this painkiller I would reccommend doing so.
3. Meth Amphetamines - "Crystal Meth" is an epidemic in our nation and is totally useless except for the purposes of getting high but at the risks of chemical dependence and severe damage to the body. This is not a natural drug, but a synthetic combination of chemicals. This could go as well.

Some good drugs which btw are all naturally occurring substances:
1. THC "Marijuana" - Treats multiple illnesses, chronic pains, and stress. And it can be grown in your closet or backyard. Does not kill brain cells, does not impair motor functions, is not addictive, and has NEVER caused any fatalities. The reason this drug is illegal is because of hemp.

2. LSD - See Aldous Huxley's Doors of Perception, this drug is very neat on the brain, and contrary to superstition, does not remain in your spinal column. The dual nature of the DNA double helix molecule was discovered by scientists on an LSD experience.
3. Psilocybin - The chemical in mushrooms, civilizations since recorded history have all used this drug in religious ceremonies and spiritual gatherings and healing rituals. And it truly is a great experience. There is a species of mushroom that if you mistake for "magic mushrooms" can kill you, so educate yourself on which mushrooms are ripe for picking. I reccommend the documentary, "Know your mushrooms" for psilocybin lovers and anyone who likes botany and plants.
4. Cocaine - Actually has more medicinal effects than marijuana. But the black market commercial form has many additives they use to cut it with and a high susceptibility to addiction.

www.Erowid.com great source of information on all drugs

All drugs must be considered responsibly and scientifically as they all have some kind of effect on the body. But they are not our enemy, they are merely tools.

 

[Lurker guy]

3. Psilocybin - The chemical in mushrooms, a truly great experience.

I agree here, but your reason is just silly