Official 4BR Tier List V4 - Competitive Insight & Analysis

[Lord Dio]

Vivi, Vvid, justy, whatever, got 17th at Collision XV which was last week or so....
but aura doggo needs more big time hot reps.
Though to be honest, most high tiers and lower have only one noteworthy player.

 

[Iridium]

Vivi, Vvid, justy, whatever, got 17th at Collision XV which was last week or so....
but aura doggo needs more big time hot reps.
Though to be honest, most high tiers and lower have only one noteworthy player.

Vivi got 17th, while justy/Vivid got 7th.

 

[The_Bookworm]

Vivi got 17th, while justy/Vivid got 7th.

However, Vivid used Bayonetta and Cloud throughout the majority of the tournament.

Spoiler: S and A Tier

Spoiler: B and C Tier

Now it is D and E tier time.

His current condition in 2018 is pretty much identical to 2017. Although Raito rarely left to USA at all (though getting 17th at Genesis), his results in Japan has slightly increased, while other Duck Hunt players like Ozone still getting decent results in tournaments, especially at a regional level (with Tamushika and Brood getting 17th and 25th at Genesis, respectively). With Bowser and Lucas noticeably dropping in quality, it is likely that Duck Hunt will slightly increase if these results persist, although him rising to high tier seems very unlikely due to his glaring weaknesses and very meh representation.

Although a Link will never get the "Civil War" run, he is still doing fairly well to hold his position. While his others players, such as Scizor and the numerous European players he have, gets average to slightly below average results. However, T continues to push the character to show that he deserves this placement, obtaining 9th at EVO Japan and scoring high placements in Umebura and Rikabura tournaments. Although the large drop in Bowser's and Lucas's quality seems to make it likely for him to rise, the ultimate test for him is Hyrule Saga.

Not looking very good for them. As the meta advances, it is revealed that his strengths from Brawl didn't translate as well as expected. He is currently outclassed by Mario (also easy to play, but has better KO potential) and Marth (better disjoint), which results in them being not very popular. Despite Earth dual-maining him with Corrin, he still obtains some good results for him, while other Pit players such as Kiraflax, Chompy, and Kswz gets some solid results in a regional level. However, with R.O.B, Samus, Shulk, and even Yoshi, Wario, Lucas, and Ike getting more consistent success and larger playerbases at a regional level, things look bleak for him. Nevertheless, the continued efforts of his mains and his strengths will establish them as solid mid tier characters in spite of his decreased success.

For those who are wondering, the reason why Dark Pit's results and representation are worse than Pit's is because Japan (the home world for Pit results) views Dark Pit as a significantly inferior character to Pit due to poorer arrow control. It is the reason why Dark Pit is ranked three tiers lower than Pit in the second official tier list, although the tier system did automatically assigned them as the same character ever since then.

Probably the most average character in the whole game, with average representation and results. This stimuli continued into 2018, as Raptor and various other Yoshi mains continue this trend, with their most notable appearances being in regionals, although they usually take top either 25th or 33rd in majors. Although he doesn't enjoy the increased success of R.O.B., Shulk, and Samus, he is also benefits from Lucas and the Pits falling off the meta as well. This may overall result in this tier placement of 34th being very accurate for him, which is very respectable considering the negative views of some players (particularly top players).

While Shulk somewhat has fallen off in majors in 2018, in comparison to him getting some notable success such as getting 33rd in Civil War and 17th in Frame Perfect Series 2 in 2017, he has nevertheless has seen somewhat better success in regionals. This mainly thanks to Kome in Japan, getting notable results such as 4th at Sumabato 23, 5th at Umebura 31, and 25th at EVO Japan. Nicko, despite his "retirement" and co-maining him with Marth, gets consistent success in a local level, in addition of getting 5th at Kawaii Kon 2018. As a result, Shulk's placement is volatile: whether he slightly increases as a result of his notable results in regionals, or staying the same placement due to lacking consistent notable placings in majors in 2018.

Doing pretty well. Despite negative views stacked up (no pun attended) against him, he managed to found some newfound success in 2018 to make up his somewhat stagnate stance in the second half of 2017. This is mainly thanks to SaSSy's (mainly at Frostbite and No Fun Allowed) and WaDi's performance with the character, in addition of other R.O.B. players getting better regional and local success since then, winning against some matchups considered too unfathomable for R.O.B. "to be good" (most notably Bayonetta). This may result in an increase in tier ranking if such performances keep up, especially with a few characters above him, such as Lucas and Pit, stagnating in comparison to him.

Not doing so good. This is due to him stagnating in comparison to other mid tier characters. This is due to his unpopularity, negative views, and rather high learning curve. Although his strengths, a few notable placings (such as Skorpio's 9th placing at Midwest Mayhem 11), and some notable players (such as Ke-ya, Dath, Athena, and Reflet) keep him from falling to low tier, his stagnation in comparison to the rest of the characters in D Tier (plus Ike and Wario) makes things look bleak for him.

Samus is in a really weird spot. Although she doesn't have a lot of success in majors (like Shulk), her results in regionals and especially locals have been very respectable (like Shulk again). She is one of the only mid tier characters (besides Shulk and Lucas) to have positive views for her future, which combined with obtaining notable success (as mentioned before), makes things look bright for her. However, at the same time, she doesn't have a lot of success in majors, which may come back to haunt her. All we can do is to wait and see at this point.

Game and Watch is at the weirdest spot yet. He gets a single very significant result for the year, then runs off to get only respectable results in a local level (with Mexico being an exception, as he gets notable regional results there). This "single placement" syndrome happened again, as Maister (a Mexican player) gets 13th at Genesis 5, winning against Pink Fresh, Fatality, and Mistake, and then he is back to same position. This syndrome could be the result of matchup inexperience, due to him being a rare sight in competitive play for a non-low tier character. Some players do believe that he is underrated due to his theoretical matchup chart. In the end, his placement is somewhat accurate, although he is harmed by the more consistent success and representation of Ike and Wario.

In a similar vein to Ness, he is a heavily picked on character (by especially the top players, unsurprisingly) despite his success not reflecting that. His stagnation in 2017 was broken in the second half of 2017 with San and Ryo getting very respectable results in a regional level (with San even getting 4th at GOML 2017). Despite this, his negative views led him to be dropped to 40th with some players even claiming that he is low tier (with some tournaments now allowing him in low tier side events) and worse than Roy. In 2018, however, his regional success continues with added support of Rango, SM, and Soan. This is further pushed with Ryo getting 25th at Genesis 5, and SM getting 33rd in both Genesis and Battle for Vegas. The combination of getting more consistent showings and better results than Pit, Robin, Game & Watch, and arguably Lucas, alongside the numerous negative views and bias against him, makes his future placement volatile, but he can definitely rise higher.

Despite him being slightly rare, especially in comparison to other mid tier characters, he is seen with notable successes this year. When you think of Wario's success, the first thing you think about is Glutonny. He continues to obtain consistent commending results in Europe (recently winning a decently stacked tournament), alongside getting 9th at Midwest Mayhem 11, taking a set off of Darkshad. The peaks presented are higher than some of the upper mid tier characters, impressive for a character that some players consider not good at all. Other notable players to speak of is Waymas and Fluzi (Reflex is semi-active). However, his playerbase is still relatively small, and his glaring weakness of relying on a bait and punish style continue to hold him back from placing higher or more consistent. With his strong results from Glutonny and negative views from many players (which is the main force behind his drop to 41st), his future placement is volatile, but like Ike, he could definitely be higher.

Similarly to Yoshi, his current representation and results accurately reflect his current placement. While he receives a few notable successes in regionals mainly thanks to Captain Levi and Hyper Kirby, and komorikiri placing high with solo Roy in Japan locals, he lacks any notable appearances in majors. His main appearances in the meta mainly revolve around locals, in which he performs best. However, despite this, his performance is somewhat laughable in comparison to the "potential" many players put on him. There is debate on whether he (alongside Charizard, Little Mac, and Palutena) should be considered an upper low or lower mid tier character.

Getting some notable appearances this year. Sharpyzard notably achieved getting 33rd in Genesis 5. Charizard's main appearance is regionals, especially at Europe, with Fire, Virum, and Sharpyzard getting some decent placings at European regionals and especially locals. Similarly to Roy, locals is where it shines due to possessing more strengths than the characters in F and G tier (except for maybe Pac Man). As his success in 2017 would continue into 2018, it makes it's tier placement accurate, although it's results (especially at a major level) is noticeably worse than most characters ranked above him. As a result, him being upper low tier or lower mid tier is a topic of debate.

Despite numerous negative views on the characters (which is most notable from ZeRo), he obtains a dedicated playerbase with numerous regional and local results to speak of. In 2018, this continued. The notable players that continued this is pu55yking, Vash (who got 13th in 2GG: Last Chance Qualifier and 33rd in Battle for Vegas), Sol, Wonderbread, Lazyboredom, and Elvis. The Japanese Mac player bt.yamato notably obtained 7th in Sumabato 24 recently. However, with his glaring weaknesses and inferior results in comparison characters ranked above Roy makes it debatable whether he should be in the upper low tier or lower mid tier.

Doing slightly worse than before. This year, her mains are noticeably underperforming / not as active as before (examples include her best player, TLTC, getting 49th at Genesis and 129th at Frostbite). This is combined with some players noted her strengths not being as potent as previously deemed, as well as her noticeable weaknesses. While some players such as Nairo continue to argue in support of her, Paluetena being lower mid tier seems rather unlikely, especially with Pac Man and Bowser Jr. recently outperforming her.

This took forever. I had sooooo much info to include with these characters despite there being one less character than in B and C tier. A little sad to see some of these mid tier characters falling off, but I am glad to see R.O.B., Ike, and Wario doing better than before relative to their current positions. Despite F and G tier being the smallest, I am wondering if I will fit it in this weekend, considering that my birthday is this Sunday and I have work to do. Anyways..... stayed tuned, and don't be afraid to share your thoughts as usual.

Btw, once I am done with this "series", should I put it all on a completely fresh thread?

 

[JustCallMeJon]

However, Vivid used Bayonetta and Cloud throughout the majority of the tournament.

Spoiler: S and A Tier

Spoiler: B and C Tier

Now it is D and E tier time.

His current condition in 2018 is pretty much identical to 2017. Although Raito rarely left to USA at all (though getting 17th at Genesis), his results in Japan has slightly increased, while other Duck Hunt players like Ozone still getting decent results in tournaments, especially at a regional level (with Tamushika and Brood getting 17th and 25th at Genesis, respectively). With Bowser and Lucas noticeably dropping in quality, it is likely that Duck Hunt will slightly increase if these results persist, although him rising to high tier seems very unlikely due to his glaring weaknesses and very meh representation.

Although a Link will never get the "Civil War" run, he is still doing fairly well to hold his position. While his others players, such as Scizor and the numerous European players he have, gets average to slightly below average results. However, T continues to push the character to show that he deserves this placement, obtaining 9th at EVO Japan and scoring high placements in Umebura and Rikabura tournaments. Although the large drop in Bowser's and Lucas's quality seems to make it likely for him to rise, the ultimate test for him is Hyrule Saga.

Not looking very good for them. As the meta advances, it is revealed that his strengths from Brawl didn't translate as well as expected. He is currently outclassed by Mario (also easy to play, but has better KO potential) and Marth (better disjoint), which results in them being not very popular. Despite Earth dual-maining him with Corrin, he still obtains some good results for him, while other Pit players such as Kiraflax, Chompy, and Kswz gets some solid results in a regional level. However, with R.O.B, Samus, Shulk, and even Yoshi, Wario, Lucas, and Ike getting more consistent success and larger playerbases at a regional level, things look bleak for him. Nevertheless, the continued efforts of his mains and his strengths will establish them as solid mid tier characters in spite of his decreased success.

For those who are wondering, the reason why Dark Pit's results and representation are worse than Pit's is because Japan (the home world for Pit results) views Dark Pit as a significantly inferior character to Pit due to poorer arrow control. It is the reason why Dark Pit is ranked three tiers lower than Pit in the second official tier list, although the tier system did automatically assigned them as the same character ever since then.

Probably the most average character in the whole game, with average representation and results. This stimuli continued into 2018, as Raptor and various other Yoshi mains continue this trend, with their most notable appearances being in regionals, although they usually take top either 25th or 33rd in majors. Although he doesn't enjoy the increased success of R.O.B., Shulk, and Samus, he is also benefits from Lucas and the Pits falling off the meta as well. This may overall result in this tier placement of 34th being very accurate for him, which is very respectable considering the negative views of some players (particularly top players).

While Shulk somewhat has fallen off in majors in 2018, in comparison to him getting some notable success such as getting 33rd in Civil War and 17th in Frame Perfect Series 2 in 2017, he has nevertheless has seen somewhat better success in regionals. This mainly thanks to Kome in Japan, getting notable results such as 4th at Sumabato 23, 5th at Umebura 31, and 25th at EVO Japan. Nicko, despite his "retirement" and co-maining him with Marth, gets consistent success in a local level, in addition of getting 5th at Kawaii Kon 2018. As a result, Shulk's placement is volatile: whether he slightly increases as a result of his notable results in regionals, or staying the same placement due to lacking consistent notable placings in majors in 2018.

Doing pretty well. Despite negative views stacked up (no pun attended) against him, he managed to found some newfound success in 2018 to make up his somewhat stagnate stance in the second half of 2017. This is mainly thanks to SaSSy's (mainly at Frostbite and No Fun Allowed) and WaDi's performance with the character, in addition of other R.O.B. players getting better regional and local success since then, winning against some matchups considered too unfathomable for R.O.B. "to be good" (most notably Bayonetta). This may result in an increase in tier ranking if such performances keep up, especially with a few characters above him, such as Lucas and Pit, stagnating in comparison to him.

Not doing so good. This is due to him stagnating in comparison to other mid tier characters. This is due to his unpopularity, negative views, and rather high learning curve. Although his strengths, a few notable placings (such as Skorpio's 9th placing at Midwest Mayhem 11), and some notable players (such as Ke-ya, Dath, Athena, and Reflet) keep him from falling to low tier, his stagnation in comparison to the rest of the characters in D Tier (plus Ike and Wario) makes things look bleak for him.

Samus is in a really weird spot. Although she doesn't have a lot of success in majors (like Shulk), her results in regionals and especially locals have been very respectable (like Shulk again). She is one of the only mid tier characters (besides Shulk and Lucas) to have positive views for her future, which combined with obtaining notable success (as mentioned before), makes things look bright for her. However, at the same time, she doesn't have a lot of success in majors, which may come back to haunt her. All we can do is to wait and see at this point.

Game and Watch is at the weirdest spot yet. He gets a single very significant result for the year, then runs off to get only respectable results in a local level (with Mexico being an exception, as he gets notable regional results there). This "single placement" syndrome happened again, as Maister (a Mexican player) gets 13th at Genesis 5, winning against Pink Fresh, Fatality, and Mistake, and then he is back to same position. This syndrome could be the result of matchup inexperience, due to him being a rare sight in competitive play for a non-low tier character. Some players do believe that he is underrated due to his theoretical matchup chart. In the end, his placement is somewhat accurate, although he is harmed by the more consistent success and representation of Ike and Wario.

In a similar vein to Ness, he is a heavily picked on character (by especially the top players, unsurprisingly) despite his success not reflecting that. His stagnation in 2017 was broken in the second half of 2017 with San and Ryo getting very respectable results in a regional level (with San even getting 4th at GOML 2017). Despite this, his negative views led him to be dropped to 40th with some players even claiming that he is low tier (with some tournaments now allowing him in low tier side events) and worse than Roy. In 2018, however, his regional success continues with added support of Rango, SM, and Soan. This is further pushed with Ryo getting 25th at Genesis 5, and SM getting 33rd in both Genesis and Battle for Vegas. The combination of getting more consistent showings and better results than Pit, Robin, Game & Watch, and arguably Lucas, alongside the numerous negative views and bias against him, makes his future placement volatile, but he can definitely rise higher.

Despite him being slightly rare, especially in comparison to other mid tier characters, he is seen with notable successes this year. When you think of Wario's success, the first thing you think about is Glutonny. He continues to obtain consistent commending results in Europe (recently winning a decently stacked tournament), alongside getting 9th at Midwest Mayhem 11, taking a set off of Darkshad. The peaks presented are higher than some of the upper mid tier characters, impressive for a character that some players consider not good at all. Other notable players to speak of is Waymas and Fluzi (Reflex is semi-active). However, his playerbase is still relatively small, and his glaring weakness of relying on a bait and punish style continue to hold him back from placing higher or more consistent. With his strong results from Glutonny and negative views from many players (which is the main force behind his drop to 41st), his future placement is volatile, but like Ike, he could definitely be higher.

Similarly to Yoshi, his current representation and results accurately reflect his current placement. While he receives a few notable successes in regionals mainly thanks to Captain Levi and Hyper Kirby, and komorikiri placing high with solo Roy in Japan locals, he lacks any notable appearances in majors. His main appearances in the meta mainly revolve around locals, in which he performs best. However, despite this, his performance is somewhat laughable in comparison to the "potential" many players put on him. There is debate on whether he (alongside Charizard, Little Mac, and Palutena) should be considered an upper low or lower mid tier character.

Getting some notable appearances this year. Sharpyzard notably achieved getting 33rd in Genesis 5. Charizard's main appearance is regionals, especially at Europe, with Fire, Virum, and Sharpyzard getting some decent placings at European regionals and especially locals. Similarly to Roy, locals is where it shines due to possessing more strengths than the characters in F and G tier (except for maybe Pac Man). As his success in 2017 would continue into 2018, it makes it's tier placement accurate, although it's results (especially at a major level) is noticeably worse than most characters ranked above him. As a result, him being upper low tier or lower mid tier is a topic of debate.

Despite numerous negative views on the characters (which is most notable from ZeRo), he obtains a dedicated playerbase with numerous regional and local results to speak of. In 2018, this continued. The notable players that continued this is pu55yking, Vash (who got 13th in 2GG: Last Chance Qualifier and 33rd in Battle for Vegas), Sol, Wonderbread, Lazyboredom, and Elvis. The Japanese Mac player bt.yamato notably obtained 7th in Sumabato 24 recently. However, with his glaring weaknesses and inferior results in comparison characters ranked above Roy makes it debatable whether he should be in the upper low tier or lower mid tier.

Doing slightly worse than before. This year, her mains are noticeably underperforming / not as active as before (examples include her best player, TLTC, getting 49th at Genesis and 129th at Frostbite). This is combined with some players noted her strengths not being as potent as previously deemed, as well as her noticeable weaknesses. While some players such as Nairo continue to argue in support of her, Paluetena being lower mid tier seems rather unlikely, especially with Pac Man and Bowser Jr. recently outperforming her.

This took forever. I had sooooo much info to include with these characters despite there being one less character than in B and C tier. A little sad to see some of these mid tier characters falling off, but I am glad to see R.O.B., Ike, and Wario doing better than before relative to their current positions. Despite F and G tier being the smallest, I am wondering if I will fit it in this weekend, considering that my birthday is this Sunday and I have work to do. Anyways..... stayed tuned, and don't be afraid to share your thoughts as usual.

Btw, once I am done with this "series", should I put it all on a completely fresh thread?

Yep!

Also, what about the low tiers?

 

[Iridium]

However, Vivid used Bayonetta and Cloud throughout the majority of the tournament.

Spoiler: S and A Tier

Spoiler: B and C Tier

Now it is D and E tier time.

His current condition in 2018 is pretty much identical to 2017. Although Raito rarely left to USA at all (though getting 17th at Genesis), his results in Japan has slightly increased, while other Duck Hunt players like Ozone still getting decent results in tournaments, especially at a regional level (with Tamushika and Brood getting 17th and 25th at Genesis, respectively). With Bowser and Lucas noticeably dropping in quality, it is likely that Duck Hunt will slightly increase if these results persist, although him rising to high tier seems very unlikely due to his glaring weaknesses and very meh representation.

Although a Link will never get the "Civil War" run, he is still doing fairly well to hold his position. While his others players, such as Scizor and the numerous European players he have, gets average to slightly below average results. However, T continues to push the character to show that he deserves this placement, obtaining 9th at EVO Japan and scoring high placements in Umebura and Rikabura tournaments. Although the large drop in Bowser's and Lucas's quality seems to make it likely for him to rise, the ultimate test for him is Hyrule Saga.

Not looking very good for them. As the meta advances, it is revealed that his strengths from Brawl didn't translate as well as expected. He is currently outclassed by Mario (also easy to play, but has better KO potential) and Marth (better disjoint), which results in them being not very popular. Despite Earth dual-maining him with Corrin, he still obtains some good results for him, while other Pit players such as Kiraflax, Chompy, and Kswz gets some solid results in a regional level. However, with R.O.B, Samus, Shulk, and even Yoshi, Wario, Lucas, and Ike getting more consistent success and larger playerbases at a regional level, things look bleak for him. Nevertheless, the continued efforts of his mains and his strengths will establish them as solid mid tier characters in spite of his decreased success.

For those who are wondering, the reason why Dark Pit's results and representation are worse than Pit's is because Japan (the home world for Pit results) views Dark Pit as a significantly inferior character to Pit due to poorer arrow control. It is the reason why Dark Pit is ranked three tiers lower than Pit in the second official tier list, although the tier system did automatically assigned them as the same character ever since then.

Probably the most average character in the whole game, with average representation and results. This stimuli continued into 2018, as Raptor and various other Yoshi mains continue this trend, with their most notable appearances being in regionals, although they usually take top either 25th or 33rd in majors. Although he doesn't enjoy the increased success of R.O.B., Shulk, and Samus, he is also benefits from Lucas and the Pits falling off the meta as well. This may overall result in this tier placement of 34th being very accurate for him, which is very respectable considering the negative views of some players (particularly top players).

While Shulk somewhat has fallen off in majors in 2018, in comparison to him getting some notable success such as getting 33rd in Civil War and 17th in Frame Perfect Series 2 in 2017, he has nevertheless has seen somewhat better success in regionals. This mainly thanks to Kome in Japan, getting notable results such as 4th at Sumabato 23, 5th at Umebura 31, and 25th at EVO Japan. Nicko, despite his "retirement" and co-maining him with Marth, gets consistent success in a local level, in addition of getting 5th at Kawaii Kon 2018. As a result, Shulk's placement is volatile: whether he slightly increases as a result of his notable results in regionals, or staying the same placement due to lacking consistent notable placings in majors in 2018.

Doing pretty well. Despite negative views stacked up (no pun attended) against him, he managed to found some newfound success in 2018 to make up his somewhat stagnate stance in the second half of 2017. This is mainly thanks to SaSSy's (mainly at Frostbite and No Fun Allowed) and WaDi's performance with the character, in addition of other R.O.B. players getting better regional and local success since then, winning against some matchups considered too unfathomable for R.O.B. "to be good" (most notably Bayonetta). This may result in an increase in tier ranking if such performances keep up, especially with a few characters above him, such as Lucas and Pit, stagnating in comparison to him.

Not doing so good. This is due to him stagnating in comparison to other mid tier characters. This is due to his unpopularity, negative views, and rather high learning curve. Although his strengths, a few notable placings (such as Skorpio's 9th placing at Midwest Mayhem 11), and some notable players (such as Ke-ya, Dath, Athena, and Reflet) keep him from falling to low tier, his stagnation in comparison to the rest of the characters in D Tier (plus Ike and Wario) makes things look bleak for him.

Samus is in a really weird spot. Although she doesn't have a lot of success in majors (like Shulk), her results in regionals and especially locals have been very respectable (like Shulk again). She is one of the only mid tier characters (besides Shulk and Lucas) to have positive views for her future, which combined with obtaining notable success (as mentioned before), makes things look bright for her. However, at the same time, she doesn't have a lot of success in majors, which may come back to haunt her. All we can do is to wait and see at this point.

Game and Watch is at the weirdest spot yet. He gets a single very significant result for the year, then runs off to get only respectable results in a local level (with Mexico being an exception, as he gets notable regional results there). This "single placement" syndrome happened again, as Maister (a Mexican player) gets 13th at Genesis 5, winning against Pink Fresh, Fatality, and Mistake, and then he is back to same position. This syndrome could be the result of matchup inexperience, due to him being a rare sight in competitive play for a non-low tier character. Some players do believe that he is underrated due to his theoretical matchup chart. In the end, his placement is somewhat accurate, although he is harmed by the more consistent success and representation of Ike and Wario.

In a similar vein to Ness, he is a heavily picked on character (by especially the top players, unsurprisingly) despite his success not reflecting that. His stagnation in 2017 was broken in the second half of 2017 with San and Ryo getting very respectable results in a regional level (with San even getting 4th at GOML 2017). Despite this, his negative views led him to be dropped to 40th with some players even claiming that he is low tier (with some tournaments now allowing him in low tier side events) and worse than Roy. In 2018, however, his regional success continues with added support of Rango, SM, and Soan. This is further pushed with Ryo getting 25th at Genesis 5, and SM getting 33rd in both Genesis and Battle for Vegas. The combination of getting more consistent showings and better results than Pit, Robin, Game & Watch, and arguably Lucas, alongside the numerous negative views and bias against him, makes his future placement volatile, but he can definitely rise higher.

Despite him being slightly rare, especially in comparison to other mid tier characters, he is seen with notable successes this year. When you think of Wario's success, the first thing you think about is Glutonny. He continues to obtain consistent commending results in Europe (recently winning a decently stacked tournament), alongside getting 9th at Midwest Mayhem 11, taking a set off of Darkshad. The peaks presented are higher than some of the upper mid tier characters, impressive for a character that some players consider not good at all. Other notable players to speak of is Waymas and Fluzi (Reflex is semi-active). However, his playerbase is still relatively small, and his glaring weakness of relying on a bait and punish style continue to hold him back from placing higher or more consistent. With his strong results from Glutonny and negative views from many players (which is the main force behind his drop to 41st), his future placement is volatile, but like Ike, he could definitely be higher.

Similarly to Yoshi, his current representation and results accurately reflect his current placement. While he receives a few notable successes in regionals mainly thanks to Captain Levi and Hyper Kirby, and komorikiri placing high with solo Roy in Japan locals, he lacks any notable appearances in majors. His main appearances in the meta mainly revolve around locals, in which he performs best. However, despite this, his performance is somewhat laughable in comparison to the "potential" many players put on him. There is debate on whether he (alongside Charizard, Little Mac, and Palutena) should be considered an upper low or lower mid tier character.

Getting some notable appearances this year. Sharpyzard notably achieved getting 33rd in Genesis 5. Charizard's main appearance is regionals, especially at Europe, with Fire, Virum, and Sharpyzard getting some decent placings at European regionals and especially locals. Similarly to Roy, locals is where it shines due to possessing more strengths than the characters in F and G tier (except for maybe Pac Man). As his success in 2017 would continue into 2018, it makes it's tier placement accurate, although it's results (especially at a major level) is noticeably worse than most characters ranked above him. As a result, him being upper low tier or lower mid tier is a topic of debate.

Despite numerous negative views on the characters (which is most notable from ZeRo), he obtains a dedicated playerbase with numerous regional and local results to speak of. In 2018, this continued. The notable players that continued this is pu55yking, Vash (who got 13th in 2GG: Last Chance Qualifier and 33rd in Battle for Vegas), Sol, Wonderbread, Lazyboredom, and Elvis. The Japanese Mac player bt.yamato notably obtained 7th in Sumabato 24 recently. However, with his glaring weaknesses and inferior results in comparison characters ranked above Roy makes it debatable whether he should be in the upper low tier or lower mid tier.

Doing slightly worse than before. This year, her mains are noticeably underperforming / not as active as before (examples include her best player, TLTC, getting 49th at Genesis and 129th at Frostbite). This is combined with some players noted her strengths not being as potent as previously deemed, as well as her noticeable weaknesses. While some players such as Nairo continue to argue in support of her, Paluetena being lower mid tier seems rather unlikely, especially with Pac Man and Bowser Jr. recently outperforming her.

This took forever. I had sooooo much info to include with these characters despite there being one less character than in B and C tier. A little sad to see some of these mid tier characters falling off, but I am glad to see R.O.B., Ike, and Wario doing better than before relative to their current positions. Despite F and G tier being the smallest, I am wondering if I will fit it in this weekend, considering that my birthday is this Sunday and I have work to do. Anyways..... stayed tuned, and don't be afraid to share your thoughts as usual.

Btw, once I am done with this "series", should I put it all on a completely fresh thread?

I pity Pit/Dark Pit (no pun intended) for the most part, especially when they were at first ranked around 17th-18th. All they needed was buffed kill power, or maybe they should not have been so average in a game that favors those with some very powerful traits.

 

[Prince Koopa Jr]

However, Vivid used Bayonetta and Cloud throughout the majority of the tournament.

Spoiler: S and A Tier

Spoiler: B and C Tier

Now it is D and E tier time.

His current condition in 2018 is pretty much identical to 2017. Although Raito rarely left to USA at all (though getting 17th at Genesis), his results in Japan has slightly increased, while other Duck Hunt players like Ozone still getting decent results in tournaments, especially at a regional level (with Tamushika and Brood getting 17th and 25th at Genesis, respectively). With Bowser and Lucas noticeably dropping in quality, it is likely that Duck Hunt will slightly increase if these results persist, although him rising to high tier seems very unlikely due to his glaring weaknesses and very meh representation.

Although a Link will never get the "Civil War" run, he is still doing fairly well to hold his position. While his others players, such as Scizor and the numerous European players he have, gets average to slightly below average results. However, T continues to push the character to show that he deserves this placement, obtaining 9th at EVO Japan and scoring high placements in Umebura and Rikabura tournaments. Although the large drop in Bowser's and Lucas's quality seems to make it likely for him to rise, the ultimate test for him is Hyrule Saga.

Not looking very good for them. As the meta advances, it is revealed that his strengths from Brawl didn't translate as well as expected. He is currently outclassed by Mario (also easy to play, but has better KO potential) and Marth (better disjoint), which results in them being not very popular. Despite Earth dual-maining him with Corrin, he still obtains some good results for him, while other Pit players such as Kiraflax, Chompy, and Kswz gets some solid results in a regional level. However, with R.O.B, Samus, Shulk, and even Yoshi, Wario, Lucas, and Ike getting more consistent success and larger playerbases at a regional level, things look bleak for him. Nevertheless, the continued efforts of his mains and his strengths will establish them as solid mid tier characters in spite of his decreased success.

For those who are wondering, the reason why Dark Pit's results and representation are worse than Pit's is because Japan (the home world for Pit results) views Dark Pit as a significantly inferior character to Pit due to poorer arrow control. It is the reason why Dark Pit is ranked three tiers lower than Pit in the second official tier list, although the tier system did automatically assigned them as the same character ever since then.

Probably the most average character in the whole game, with average representation and results. This stimuli continued into 2018, as Raptor and various other Yoshi mains continue this trend, with their most notable appearances being in regionals, although they usually take top either 25th or 33rd in majors. Although he doesn't enjoy the increased success of R.O.B., Shulk, and Samus, he is also benefits from Lucas and the Pits falling off the meta as well. This may overall result in this tier placement of 34th being very accurate for him, which is very respectable considering the negative views of some players (particularly top players).

While Shulk somewhat has fallen off in majors in 2018, in comparison to him getting some notable success such as getting 33rd in Civil War and 17th in Frame Perfect Series 2 in 2017, he has nevertheless has seen somewhat better success in regionals. This mainly thanks to Kome in Japan, getting notable results such as 4th at Sumabato 23, 5th at Umebura 31, and 25th at EVO Japan. Nicko, despite his "retirement" and co-maining him with Marth, gets consistent success in a local level, in addition of getting 5th at Kawaii Kon 2018. As a result, Shulk's placement is volatile: whether he slightly increases as a result of his notable results in regionals, or staying the same placement due to lacking consistent notable placings in majors in 2018.

Doing pretty well. Despite negative views stacked up (no pun attended) against him, he managed to found some newfound success in 2018 to make up his somewhat stagnate stance in the second half of 2017. This is mainly thanks to SaSSy's (mainly at Frostbite and No Fun Allowed) and WaDi's performance with the character, in addition of other R.O.B. players getting better regional and local success since then, winning against some matchups considered too unfathomable for R.O.B. "to be good" (most notably Bayonetta). This may result in an increase in tier ranking if such performances keep up, especially with a few characters above him, such as Lucas and Pit, stagnating in comparison to him.

Not doing so good. This is due to him stagnating in comparison to other mid tier characters. This is due to his unpopularity, negative views, and rather high learning curve. Although his strengths, a few notable placings (such as Skorpio's 9th placing at Midwest Mayhem 11), and some notable players (such as Ke-ya, Dath, Athena, and Reflet) keep him from falling to low tier, his stagnation in comparison to the rest of the characters in D Tier (plus Ike and Wario) makes things look bleak for him.

Samus is in a really weird spot. Although she doesn't have a lot of success in majors (like Shulk), her results in regionals and especially locals have been very respectable (like Shulk again). She is one of the only mid tier characters (besides Shulk and Lucas) to have positive views for her future, which combined with obtaining notable success (as mentioned before), makes things look bright for her. However, at the same time, she doesn't have a lot of success in majors, which may come back to haunt her. All we can do is to wait and see at this point.

Game and Watch is at the weirdest spot yet. He gets a single very significant result for the year, then runs off to get only respectable results in a local level (with Mexico being an exception, as he gets notable regional results there). This "single placement" syndrome happened again, as Maister (a Mexican player) gets 13th at Genesis 5, winning against Pink Fresh, Fatality, and Mistake, and then he is back to same position. This syndrome could be the result of matchup inexperience, due to him being a rare sight in competitive play for a non-low tier character. Some players do believe that he is underrated due to his theoretical matchup chart. In the end, his placement is somewhat accurate, although he is harmed by the more consistent success and representation of Ike and Wario.

In a similar vein to Ness, he is a heavily picked on character (by especially the top players, unsurprisingly) despite his success not reflecting that. His stagnation in 2017 was broken in the second half of 2017 with San and Ryo getting very respectable results in a regional level (with San even getting 4th at GOML 2017). Despite this, his negative views led him to be dropped to 40th with some players even claiming that he is low tier (with some tournaments now allowing him in low tier side events) and worse than Roy. In 2018, however, his regional success continues with added support of Rango, SM, and Soan. This is further pushed with Ryo getting 25th at Genesis 5, and SM getting 33rd in both Genesis and Battle for Vegas. The combination of getting more consistent showings and better results than Pit, Robin, Game & Watch, and arguably Lucas, alongside the numerous negative views and bias against him, makes his future placement volatile, but he can definitely rise higher.

Despite him being slightly rare, especially in comparison to other mid tier characters, he is seen with notable successes this year. When you think of Wario's success, the first thing you think about is Glutonny. He continues to obtain consistent commending results in Europe (recently winning a decently stacked tournament), alongside getting 9th at Midwest Mayhem 11, taking a set off of Darkshad. The peaks presented are higher than some of the upper mid tier characters, impressive for a character that some players consider not good at all. Other notable players to speak of is Waymas and Fluzi (Reflex is semi-active). However, his playerbase is still relatively small, and his glaring weakness of relying on a bait and punish style continue to hold him back from placing higher or more consistent. With his strong results from Glutonny and negative views from many players (which is the main force behind his drop to 41st), his future placement is volatile, but like Ike, he could definitely be higher.

Similarly to Yoshi, his current representation and results accurately reflect his current placement. While he receives a few notable successes in regionals mainly thanks to Captain Levi and Hyper Kirby, and komorikiri placing high with solo Roy in Japan locals, he lacks any notable appearances in majors. His main appearances in the meta mainly revolve around locals, in which he performs best. However, despite this, his performance is somewhat laughable in comparison to the "potential" many players put on him. There is debate on whether he (alongside Charizard, Little Mac, and Palutena) should be considered an upper low or lower mid tier character.

Getting some notable appearances this year. Sharpyzard notably achieved getting 33rd in Genesis 5. Charizard's main appearance is regionals, especially at Europe, with Fire, Virum, and Sharpyzard getting some decent placings at European regionals and especially locals. Similarly to Roy, locals is where it shines due to possessing more strengths than the characters in F and G tier (except for maybe Pac Man). As his success in 2017 would continue into 2018, it makes it's tier placement accurate, although it's results (especially at a major level) is noticeably worse than most characters ranked above him. As a result, him being upper low tier or lower mid tier is a topic of debate.

Despite numerous negative views on the characters (which is most notable from ZeRo), he obtains a dedicated playerbase with numerous regional and local results to speak of. In 2018, this continued. The notable players that continued this is pu55yking, Vash (who got 13th in 2GG: Last Chance Qualifier and 33rd in Battle for Vegas), Sol, Wonderbread, Lazyboredom, and Elvis. The Japanese Mac player bt.yamato notably obtained 7th in Sumabato 24 recently. However, with his glaring weaknesses and inferior results in comparison characters ranked above Roy makes it debatable whether he should be in the upper low tier or lower mid tier.

Doing slightly worse than before. This year, her mains are noticeably underperforming / not as active as before (examples include her best player, TLTC, getting 49th at Genesis and 129th at Frostbite). This is combined with some players noted her strengths not being as potent as previously deemed, as well as her noticeable weaknesses. While some players such as Nairo continue to argue in support of her, Paluetena being lower mid tier seems rather unlikely, especially with Pac Man and Bowser Jr. recently outperforming her.

This took forever. I had sooooo much info to include with these characters despite there being one less character than in B and C tier. A little sad to see some of these mid tier characters falling off, but I am glad to see R.O.B., Ike, and Wario doing better than before relative to their current positions. Despite F and G tier being the smallest, I am wondering if I will fit it in this weekend, considering that my birthday is this Sunday and I have work to do. Anyways..... stayed tuned, and don't be afraid to share your thoughts as usual.

Btw, once I am done with this "series", should I put it all on a completely fresh thread?

Wario's results have been on the rise as of late thanks to diligent work of Glutonny. He recently won a tournament in France defeating some of the most notable players in his country. I feel that if Glutonny could travel more, we would start seeing him at US tournaments.

 

[The_Bookworm]

I pity Pit/Dark Pit (no pun intended) for the most part, especially when they were at first ranked around 17th-18th. All they needed was buffed kill power, or maybe they should not have been so average in a game that favors those with some very powerful traits.

It is mainly their buffs not properly compensating for their nerfs from Brawl, and being outclassed by Mario and Marth, that brought him down. Being ranked 17th-18th on the first tier list makes this sad though. I remember that Ike was ranked as the best Fire Emblem character in the first tier list, but now some are claiming that he is the worse of the bunch (which I get into in his section).

 

[Nah]

Was about to post the updated results with B tiers, but realized I skipped about half of Umebura Japan Major. Oops. Please hold...

By the way, I think it'd be cool if you were to make a whole separate thread for this thing you're doing, it's kind of useful information to have around. Still keep posting it in here of course, I was just thinking that it might be nice to have it all in one post/thread too and not just eventually be lost to the CCI abyss.

 

[MarioManTAW]

By the way, I think it'd be cool if you were to make a whole separate thread for this thing you're doing, it's kind of useful information to have around. Still keep posting it in here of course, I was just thinking that it might be nice to have it all in one post/thread too and not just eventually be lost to the CCI abyss.

Done. https://smashboards.com/threads/2017-tournament-pgr-results-by-character.454094/
S, A, and B Tiers now complete at the above link.

 

[Skeeter Mania]

Getting some notable appearances this year. Sharpyzard notably achieved getting 33rd in Genesis 5. Charizard's main appearance is regionals, especially at Europe, with Fire, Virum, and Sharpyzard getting some decent placings at European regionals and especially locals. Similarly to Roy, locals is where it shines due to possessing more strengths than the characters in F and G tier (except for maybe Pac Man). As his success in 2017 would continue into 2018, it makes it's tier placement accurate, although it's results (especially at a major level) is noticeably worse than most characters ranked above him. As a result, him being upper low tier or lower mid tier is a topic of debate.

I think there was also a rather recent Japanese event where a Charizard player got Top 8.

EDIT: That player was Tosshi, who placed 4th at Umebura 31 with notable wins against players like Nietono, Paseriman, and Kome.

 

[The_Bookworm]

I think there was also a rather recent Japanese event where a Charizard player got Top 8.

EDIT: That player was Tosshi, who placed 4th at Umebura 31 with notable wins against players like Nietono, Paseriman, and Kome.

What is up with Japan and their mid/low tiers? lol

 

[Envoy of Chaos]

Lack of financial gain ontop of cultural differences means your only playing the game in Japan if you like it and your only going to use characters you like, hence why they have character specialist who are truly dedicated to their character. If you notice the Japanese players who frequently come to the states and Europe to play for the most part switched, picked up, or use top tier characters. (Abadango, Komo, Kameme, etc.)

 

[Skeeter Mania]

Komo

What mid or lower tier character did he play prior?

 

[Envoy of Chaos]

To my knowledge he used Sonic to start but he was an example of a Japanese player who plays to the tier list due to him often competing for money in the west. Aside his Roy he's been pretty much just Cloud with the occasional Sonic these days

 

[Lord Dio]

komo actually did play low tiers once.
he's part of why fully unlocked miis got banned from sumabatos

 

[Iridium]

Komo also at one time had a Bayo for a brief period, but quit using her after the nerfs from 1.1.6. He won Sumabato 7 using her only and Sumabato 8 with her included with Cloud and Sonic.

 

[Prince Koopa Jr]

Komo also at one time had a Bayo for a brief period, but quit using her after the nerfs from 1.1.6. He won Sumabato 7 using her only and Sumabato 8 with her included with Cloud and Sonic.

Has komo been active lately?

 

[JustCallMeJon]

Noods Noods Noods: Oakland Edition's Top 8: C-TIER

Results: Top 8
1st: MKLeo (MKLEO IS THE WINNER)
2nd: ANTi
3rd: falln
4th: Konga
5th: Xzax
5th: Legit
7th: Shaky
7th: DSS

Results: Top 9-25 (Do not know all their mains)
9th: NotLast
9th: Moonboyjosh
9th: BaSK 3xA
9th: Trevonte
13th: King Koopa
13th: Soulimar
13th: Lui$
13th: BestNess
17th: Captain L
17th: NitN
17th: POD
17th: :^)
17th: Locus
17th: Vermillion
17th: Teb
17th: Twan
25th: michaelthegoat
25th: HUEVOS
25th: Prodigy
25th: Jae Pea
25th: Jabe
25th: Succulent A$$ Nectar *Giggle*
25th: Jehtt
25th: ~fade

 

[The_Bookworm]

I know this tournament is PGR'd but here is Noods Noods Noods: Oakland Edition's Top 8:

Winners:
* MKLeo
* Konga
* falln
* ANTi

Losers:
* DSS
* Shaky
* Xzax
* Legit

In top 8:
WINNERS:
Konga vs MKLeo
falln vs ANTi

LOSERS:
Legit vs DSS
Shaky vs Xzax (R.I.P Xzax)

Results: Top 8
1st:
2nd:
3rd:
4th:
5th:
5th:
7th:
7th:

Results: Top 9-25 (Do not know all their mains)
9th: NotLast
9th: Moonboyjosh
9th: BaSK 3xA
9th: Trevonte
13th: King Koopa
13th: Soulimar
13th: Lui$
13th: BestNess
17th: Captain L
17th: NitN
17th: POD
17th: :^)
17th: Locus
17th: Vermillion
17th: Teb
17th: Twan
25th: michaelthegoat
25th: HUEVOS
25th: Prodigy
25th: Jae Pea
25th: Jabe
25th: Succulent A$$ Nectar *Giggle*
25th: Jehtt
25th: ~fade

It is currently unranked in the PGR (with only Switchfest being the only event in April) but it may soon.

Here is my predictions:
Konga vs MKLeo. MKLeo can go either MK or Bayo and beat him down (which he used MK to destroy him last time).
falln vs ANTi. ANTi will most likely go Cloud to gain the advantage, so it may be a win for him.
Legit vs DSS. Literally have no idea how this will go down.
Shaky (another good result for Ness, yay!) vs Xzax. Out of context, I don't know about this one either, but you make it seem like Xzax has a Ness problem, soooo...

 

[Skeeter Mania]

It is currently unranked in the PGR (with only Switchfest being the only event in April) but it may soon.

This opens up an interesting question. Do you think an event could still be taken a bit more seriously by people even if it wasn't a PGR event? Or at the very least have a little bit of fun?

 

[The_Bookworm]

This opens up an interesting question. Do you think an event could still be taken a bit more seriously by people even if it wasn't a PGR event? Or at the very least have a little bit of fun?

It most certainly can. SSB4 Boot Camp was pretty much made for it to be a laid back event. I don't think the players in that tournament (the Noods Noods one) know it isn't PGR'ed, but it can in the future (or they forgot to update the chart. Not sure.).

 

[Skeeter Mania]

It most certainly can. SSB4 Boot Camp was pretty much made for it to be a laid back event. I don't think the players in that tournament (the Noods Noods one) know it isn't PGR'ed, but it can in the future (or they forgot to update the chart. Not sure.).

I don't think this answers my initial question. I'll just post it below:

Do you think an event could still be taken a bit more seriously by people even if it wasn't a PGR event?

 

[Iridium]

Has komo been active lately?

Yes, but he shows up for US majors a bit more than Japanese events recently.

As for NNN, MkLeo is sitting in GFs after beating both Konga and ANTi 3-0.

And falln 3-1 Konga to face ANTi in losers ' finals.

ANTi 3-0 falln to face MkLeo in GFs.

MkLeo 3-0 ANTi to take the tourney.

 

[ARGHETH]

I know this tournament is PGR'd but here is Noods Noods Noods: Oakland Edition's Top 8:

In top 8:
WINNERS:
MKLeo vs ANTi

LOSERS:
Konga vs falln

Results: Top 8
1st:
2nd:
3rd:
4th: Konga or falln
5th: Xzax (Xzax finally beat Shaky :0)
5th: Legit
7th: Shaky
7th: DSS

Results: Top 9-25 (Do not know all their mains)
9th: NotLast
9th: Moonboyjosh
9th: BaSK 3xA
9th: Trevonte
13th: King Koopa
13th: Soulimar
13th: Lui$
13th: BestNess
17th: Captain L
17th: NitN
17th: POD
17th: :^)
17th: Locus
17th: Vermillion
17th: Teb
17th: Twan
25th: michaelthegoat
25th: HUEVOS
25th: Prodigy
25th: Jae Pea
25th: Jabe
25th: Succulent A$$ Nectar *Giggle*
25th: Jehtt
25th: ~fade

NotLast's a Peach, Vermillion's a Cloud, Prodigy's a Mario, and Jehtt's a Megaman.

 

[JustCallMeJon]

It is currently unranked in the PGR (with only Switchfest being the only event in April) but it may soon.

Here is my predictions:
Konga vs MKLeo. MKLeo can go either MK or Bayo and beat him down (which he used MK to destroy him last time).
falln vs ANTi. ANTi will most likely go Cloud to gain the advantage, so it may be a win for him.
Legit vs DSS. Literally have no idea how this will go down.
Shaky (another good result for Ness, yay!) vs Xzax. Out of context, I don't know about this one either, but you make it seem like Xzax has a Ness problem, soooo...

Xzax has a terrible record against the Nesses. He constantly 3-0d by many Nesses: Shaky, BestNess, and Future. Rarely, Xzax wins but it is super close. Xzax got lucky from escaping Shaky from almost being reversed 3-0d.

 

[The_Bookworm]

I don't think this answers my initial question. I'll just post it below:

Not really, unless if it is in order to boost your stance on a regional PR, or the tournament has a chance to become a PGR event.

Speaking of which, the PGR chart just got updated. Noods Noods: Oakland Edition is now a C tier event.

 

[JustCallMeJon]

Got a question, how do remove your post??

 

[The_Bookworm]

Let's see my prediction's results:
Konga vs MKLeo. Not surprised that Leo eviscerated him. Part of me feels like Leo is just going to use Bayo to fight against the super heavies, especially on what happened on Battle for Vegas.
falln vs ANTi. Also predicted that ANTi will emerge victorious, but he did it with ZSS instead.
Legit vs DSS. Legit seems to get the load on DSS, despite DSS counterpicking.
Shaky vs Xzax. Such a clutch reverse 3-0 on Xzax's part. Still satisfied on Shaky's (and BestNess's) placement here.

Later:
MKLeo vs ANTi. Let's just say that Leo makes Marth look top 5.
falln vs Legit. Combination of falln being PGR'ed and Rosa vs Diddy not being a comfortable matchup for Diddy, makes this not surprising.
Konga vs Xzax. Konga showing DK the works.
falln vs Konga. Considering the matchup, not so surpised by falln's 3-1 victory.
ANTi vs falln. Simply a repeat of last time.
MKLeo vs ANTi. Posting this before the match is over (and it is bedtime), but I am predicting that Leo will Marth him up badly.

 

[Skeeter Mania]

Xzax has a terrible record against the Nesses. He constantly 3-0d by many Nesses: Shaky, BestNess, and Future. Rarely, Xzax wins but it is super close. Xzax got lucky from escaping Shaky from being reversed 3-0d.

He also has Ness as being a potential losing MU on his own chart.

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[Prince Koopa Jr]

It is currently unranked in the PGR (with only Switchfest being the only event in April) but it may soon.

Here is my predictions:
Konga vs MKLeo. MKLeo can go either MK or Bayo and beat him down (which he used MK to destroy him last time).
falln vs ANTi. ANTi will most likely go Cloud to gain the advantage, so it may be a win for him.
Legit vs DSS. Literally have no idea how this will go down.
Shaky (another good result for Ness, yay!) vs Xzax. Out of context, I don't know about this one either, but you make it seem like Xzax has a Ness problem, soooo...

There certainly could be a multitude of outcomes, it piques my interest.

 

[WiFi]

Most top Fox players don't play the Luigi matchup right. The optimal playstyle against Luigi is super-lame, but top Foxes are all super-agro players.

 

[The_Bookworm]

Looking back on the event, ANTi used Sonic and MK in grand finals? He truly is the master of diversity.

Edit: GOML 2018 (which is at late May) has appeared on the chart and it is already an A tier event.

 

[Skeeter Mania]

Looking back on the event, ANTi used Sonic and MK in grand finals? He truly is the master of diversity.

Edit: GOML 2018 (which is at late May) has appeared on the chart and it is already an A tier event.

Looks like there’s hope yet!

 

[Hippieslayer]

Ally 6-0'd mistake in grand finals

 

[Iridium]

Ally 6-0'd mistake in grand finals

At No Man's LAN XIII? And right after losing his sponsor too. What a strange occurrence.

 

[Skeeter Mania]

At No Man 's LAN XIII? And right after losing his sponsor too. What a strange occurrence.

Losing his sponsor? When did that happen?

 

[MarioManTAW]

Losing his sponsor? When did that happen?

I am no longer with Cloud9, I enjoyed my time with them and for sure sad to see it go but I respect their reason and all you can do is move on and be grateful to have had the chance to be part of such a great team. Thank you C9!❤️. Reason has nothing to do with her (Team Ally)

— Ally (@AllyUltimate) April 3, 2018

 

[JustCallMeJon]

Expand Gong 3 (Australia) is not PGRd but there is FOW in there so...

Results from Top 8 (131 Entrants)
1st: Extra
2nd: FOW
3rd: Linoone
4th: Ghost
5th: Tru4
5th: Luco
7th: CHiNReeZ
7th: Duon

Pretty happy about FOW's performance despite not winning the tournament. FOW needs to adjust his playstyle and remove his rustiness after months of inactivity but still pretty happy that he place 2nd at this tournament.

 

[Skeeter Mania]

I am no longer with Cloud9, I enjoyed my time with them and for sure sad to see it go but I respect their reason and all you can do is move on and be grateful to have had the chance to be part of such a great team. Thank you C9!❤️. Reason has nothing to do with her (Team Ally)

— Ally (@AllyUltimate) April 3, 2018

When looking at the Reddit thread for this news, I read that part of the reason Ally got dropped may have been because of recent allegations. According to that thread, said allegations involved him being emotionally abusive to his ex-girlfriend. What else was there?

Expand Gong 3 is not PGRd but there is FOW in there so...

Results from Top 8 (131 Entrants)
1st: Extra
2nd: FOW
3rd: Linoone
4th: Ghost
5th: Tru4
5th: Luco
7th: CHiNReeZ
7th: Duon

Pretty happy about FOW's performance despite not winning the tournament. FOW needs to adjust his playstyle and remove his rustiness after months of inactivity but still pretty happy that he place 2nd at this tournament.

Did this take place in Australia? I see Extra right at the top.

 

[JustCallMeJon]

When looking at the Reddit thread for this news, I read that part of the reason Ally got dropped may have been because of recent allegations. According to that thread, said allegations involved him being emotionally abusive to his ex-girlfriend. What else was there?



Did this take place in Australia? I see Extra right at the top.

Yes it is from Australia