Official 4BR Tier List V4 - Competitive Insight & Analysis

[Prince Koopa Jr]

Not sure where to put this: I'm getting annoyed with the anti-custom revisionist history.

It's now "common knowledge" that customs were banned because custom villager was OP. When in fact, only 3 villager mains even broke top 64 at EVO 2015, none of which made it into even top 8.

The actual reason most commonly given was that allowing customs was unfair to the poor DLC characters.

And thus, as a community, we heavily nerfed for the sake of .

That is literally what happened.

So true

 

[Ordeaux26]

Not sure where to put this: I'm getting annoyed with the anti-custom revisionist history.

It's now "common knowledge" that customs were banned because custom villager was OP. When in fact, only 3 villager mains even broke top 64 at EVO 2015, none of which made it into even top 8.

The actual reason most commonly given was that allowing customs was unfair to the poor DLC characters.

And thus, as a community, we heavily nerfed for the sake of .

That is literally what happened.

decent point but what about and also it wasn't just villager other customs moves are broken as well like Kong Cyclone and Lightweight

and another reason customs where banned was because of how tedious they where to unlock and not efficient for tournaments to set up

 

[Thinkaman]

decent point but what about and also it wasn't just villager other customs moves are broken as well like Kong Cyclone and Lightweight

Customs failed to help , as well as and . But this whataboutism does not make the absence of perfection the enemy of good. Custom moves overwhelmingly helped characters in the bottom half of the roster more than the top, including providing zero help to the top 4 characters.

The most problematic customs were Kong Cyclone, Twisting Fox, and probably Zig-Zag Shot. (But no one complained about that one.) You could also argue that the game would have been better off without Sonic's custom options, as well as Villager's, but neither is really a problem.

Given absolute policy powers, I'd just ban Kong Cyclone. It's not the best move in the game, but it's extremely unfair to new players because the counterplay to it has to be so precise in most matchups. (It's surely the worst designed move in the game.) Putting this on low-tier release DK was one thing, but on post-patch DK it'd be an issue.

 

[MercuryPenny]

what would have been great is if customs actually took off as a side event, so customs players would at least have the option of playing in bracket with customs, but that ship sailed long ago. instead, now we have the few dozen customs fans who secretly despise everyone else for banning customs

something similar will likely happen with the fs meter in ultimate, btw

 

[ぱみゅ]

Not sure where to put this: I'm getting annoyed with the anti-custom revisionist history.

It's now "common knowledge" that customs were banned because custom villager was OP. When in fact, only 3 villager mains even broke top 64 at EVO 2015, none of which made it into even top 8.

The actual reason most commonly given was that allowing customs was unfair to the poor DLC characters.

And thus, as a community, we heavily nerfed for the sake of .

That is literally what happened.

Customs were banned not because they were powerful (No DK make it to Top 32 of EVO, 3 Villagers did but only 1 used this strat), but because the community deemed 2-3 characters "lame" and didn't want to deal with them anymore.
And thus, even Miis were stigmatised.

 

[Thinkaman]

something similar will likely happen with the fs meter in ultimate, btw

This is a false equivalence.

One is showing up to events and having your character be banned. (Or forced to use non-viable specials)

The other is showing up expecting the tournament to be based on a fringe alternate win-condition mechanic, like Stamina mode.

Custom move options make the roster significantly more balanced, full stop. I would bet $1000 here and now that final smash meters make the game less balanced.

 

[Frihetsanka]

The actual reason most commonly given was that allowing customs was unfair to the poor DLC characters.

And thus, as a community, we heavily nerfed for the sake of .

That is literally what happened.

Even if we assume that this is true, clearly it wasn't for the sake of Bayonetta, Corrin, or Cloud, since they weren't even around when customs were banned. This was also before Mewtwo was buffed, and he was considered, by many, to not be very good before the buffs. So, really, it was for the sake of Mewtwo (who was weak back then), Lucas, Roy, and Ryu (granted, he was strong).

Anyway, based on what I've seen I'm more inclined to believe it had more to do with logistical issues and top players not wanting "jank" more than it had to do with "it is unfair to DLC characters" (though, again, back then most DLCs were actually considered mid tier or low tier).

 

[ProfessorVincent]

Customs were banned not because they were powerful (No DK make it to Top 32 of EVO, 3 Villagers did but only 1 used this strat), but because the community deemed 2-3 characters "lame" and didn't want to deal with them anymore.
And thus, even Miis were stigmatised.

Wasn't the issue with custom moves the fact that they were so goddamn impractical to obtain? I mean, the discussions around stuff being op or lame would have gone a lot better if everyone could try these moves for themselves. As it was, we were forced to grind like crazy or jump through a bunch of hoops that involved Smash for 3DS if we wanted to have access to a full custom roster. Who wants to do that when they can actually have fun playing smash? I'd have loved to see a customs meta, but I blame the devs for this one.

 

[MercuryPenny]

hhh

i wasn't comparing the function of customs to final smashes, i was saying that there will definitely be people who resent the rest of us for the entirety of ultimate's lifespan for not supporting the final smash meter

ultimately a meaningless statement, i know. i question why i edited that into the post myself.

 

[Thinkaman]

Even if we assume that this is true, clearly it wasn't for the sake of Bayonetta, Corrin, or Cloud, since they weren't even around when customs were banned. This was also before Mewtwo was buffed, and he was considered, by many, to not be very good before the buffs. So, really, it was for the sake of Mewtwo (who was weak back then), Lucas, Roy, and Ryu (granted, he was strong).

Naturally. It's just super ironic how it turned out.

Also, allowing the option to turn rage off would be a great thing for the game and a terrible, awful thing for our community. Also see: the ability to turn Stale Moves off, the ability to add l-canceling, or any other number of terrible self-sabotaging decisions.

Why not just label the option "Screw Heavies"?

 

[Gearkeeper-8a]

sakurai adds more options so the community can adjust things to improve how they can play the game, but the community doesnt really know how to use these options.

edit: I never understood why people said things like customs weren't considered for balance, considering that in some patches they adjusted some customs moves for some characters like villager.

 

[Prince Koopa Jr]

If customs were made tournament legal it would help to mixup the gameplay.

 

[MercuryPenny]

rage is an interesting, but sloppily executed mechanic. if it was done in a way that preserved the extra complexity without letting people kill at 0%, i would honestly have no gripes with it.

 

[Heracr055]

Okay, check this out...
As I'm sure you guys know, Mario Kart gives lighter racers higher acceleration and better ability to off road (in exchange for low top speed), while heavy drivers trade off poor offroad and poor acceleration for a high top speed. What if there was a way that this was applied to Ultimate?
Characters who are lighter would have a much less dramatic scaling of rage, while heavier fighters' scaling of rage remained the same. I think this could be a good way to let heavies retain this advantage, while mitigating those who shouldn't have such a powerful combination of rage+combos (Bayonetta is a good example with Witch Twist kills off the top).

 

[Thinkaman]

Let's not turn this into a rage topic; I regret bringing it up. Suffice to say that rage should never have applied to base knockback and hopefully won't in Ultimate.

 

[trickroom]

Wasn't the issue with custom moves the fact that they were so goddamn impractical to obtain? I mean, the discussions around stuff being op or lame would have gone a lot better if everyone could try these moves for themselves. As it was, we were forced to grind like crazy or jump through a bunch of hoops that involved Smash for 3DS if we wanted to have access to a full custom roster. Who wants to do that when they can actually have fun playing smash? I'd have loved to see a customs meta, but I blame the devs for this one.

This is an important perspective that has to be considered when we look at customs. They created such a massive barrier to entry for new players, and I think this is one of the best reasons justifying their ban. If I remember correctly the best options for getting *all* customs onto your copy of the game were:

A) Going to a tournament or gathering and getting someone else to transfer their entire 3DS of premade customs sets onto your Wii U
B) Dragging together a premade 3DS full of customs for yourself legitimately (taking many, many hours)
C) Dragging together a premade 3DS with hacks (which was a little harder at the time and was/is not a good idea with Nintendo involvement, not to mention being seen by many as "immoral" and risking a voided warranty)
C) Putting Ganondorf in the Angry Birds game mode on the Wii U and just leave your Wii idle while he warlock punches the bomb for hours on end, requiring a taped B button or a 3rd party turbo controller as well as a large amount of time you're willing to let your Wii U sit without you playing it

Of course, only getting customs for the specific character(s) you want to play is less of a hassle, but is still a hassle to be sure.

If I want to learn a competitive game like Overwatch or Counterstrike, I pay for and download the game and I'm ready to go. If I want to learn Smash Bros for Wii U in a world with legalized customs, I have to buy the game, buy + download the DLC (if i really want to save money and know what a tier list is I can skip Lucas and Roy), and then jump through one of the impractical hoops listed above. After I do all of this, if I want to practice custom moves on my own time I have to go on a discord server or Anther's Ladder to find someone who wants to play customs-on friendlies with me. Customs not only would've hurt the game with the negative reputation and boring viewing experience of custom Villager, but would've created a massive barrier of entry for little good reason.

[All this being said, I still agree that the Miis were neutered by the ruleset for no good reason.]

 

[The_Bookworm]

Upset list for Smash Con Round 1 Pools:
Immortal defeats Locus
Joe-J 2-1 Light
Nanchan 2-1 Rags
Puppeh 2-0 BestNess
Nagisa 2-0 Vermillion
DaNeel 2-0 Zephr


Completed Pools

Spoiler: Pool A

A201
JeBB (W)
ven (L)
Aceto (L)

A203
NameLess (W)
Remzi (L)
Sync (L)

A205
Dabuz (W)
Freckles (L)
Moser (L)

A207
Promaelia (W)
Seth (L)
Tony Pajamas (L)

A209
DKwill (W)
Mekos (L)
File (L)

A211
Donquavious (W)
Craftis (L)
Money Mitsu (L)

A213
WaDi (W)
Arch (L)
Zelgius (L)

A215
Glare (W)
Barking_Frog (L)
UR2SLOW (L)

Spoiler: Pool B

B201
Sinji (W)
Dragonite (L)
Winks (L)

B203
8BitMan (W)
Vash (L)
Danye (L)

B205
Sonido (W)
Tension (L)
Mini (L)

B207
MuteAce (W)
Big **** Billy (L) (Why. XD)
Sidereus (L)

B209
Mr. E (W)
Zage (L)
luckywind (L)

B211
Zinoto (W)
AceStarThe3rd (L)
Lenix (L)

B213
ESAM (W)
Jw (L)
Riz (L)

B215
Sells (W)
Arhungry (L)
Uno (L)

Spoiler: Pool G

G201
Tweek (W)
Pokecheese (L)
Scarlet (L)

G202
Midnight (W)
Zan (L)
Egaz (L)

G203
ANTi (W)
Winds (L)
Maloculiao (L)

G204
Marss (W)
Pain (L)
Sig (L)

G205
Geist (W)
Stocktaker69 (L)
Candy (L)

G206
Primid (W)
Immortal (L)
Locus (L)

G207
Larry Lurr (W)
xXxRosalin (L)
Noku (L)

G208
Raito (W)
Miloni (L)
Qwerty (L)

G209
Nairo (W)
Skarfelt (L)
Bill_ (L)

G210
Darkshad (W)
Drystan (L)
Naytro (L)

G211
Elegant (W)
ChillyChilli (L)
joaji (L)

G212
THUNDER (W)
P2P with Gibus (L)
Frostbyte (L)

G213
Gen (W)
Daybreak (L)
WontonWarrior (L)

G214
Snoop (W)
Tico (L)
shotgunraptorjesus (L) (Wacky tag)

G215
Konga (W)
Ke-ya (L)
Hex (L)

G216
MkLeo (W)
AZ (L)
Rawk (L)

Spoiler: Pool H

H201
Ally (W)
smasher1001 (L)
Tony Guava (L)

H202
Puppeh (W)
BestNess (L)
808 (L)

H203
MagiMagi (W)
NovaPiXL (L)
Protom (L)

H204
Eon (W)
Hackoru (L)
Kintsukuroi (L)

H205
Sho (W)
WDBTHtGP (L)
Butter (L)

H206
Mistake (W)
Jackson (L)
Logic (L)

H207
Wrath (W)
Tatsuya (L)
SETH (L)

H208
ZD (W)
LoNg0uw (L)
Nabster (L)

H209
Juice (W)
EKING (L)
Cilvanis (L)

H210
Nagisa (W)
Vermillion (L)
DHB (L)

H211
SDX (W)
Archy (L)
Professor Oats (L)

H212
Fatality (W)
Mr. GVO (L)
Spirunk (L)

H213
Captain L (W)
Chrome Kingfisher (L)
Oatmeal (L)

H214
Cosmos (W)
Squidboy (L)
Dyla (L)

H215
VoiD (W)
Skance (L)
Beast (L)

H216
tyroy (W)
Raziek (L)
Kam Steele (L)

Spoiler: Pool I

I201
Ralphie (W)
Dexter (L)
Yoda Cage (L)

I202
Joe-J (W)
Light (L)
Ketsen (L)

I203
CaptainZack (W)
Dr. Copter (L)
Gravon (L)

I204
MVD (W)
red berpo (L)
bread (L)

I205
6wx (W)
Lemon (L)
Zomba (L)

I206
Percy (W)
Zephr (L)
DaNeel (L)

I207
NAKAT (W)
Booshi (L)
Snickeldorf (L)

I208
Samsora (W)
DM888 (L)
Viceroy (L)

I209
Nanchan (W)
Rags (L)
Kofi (L)

I210
Salem (W)
Suarez (L)
Cagt (L)

I211
Alternis (W)
Xaltis (L)
TLOrEo (L)

I212
Blank (W)
Extra (L)
Makibaz (L)

I213
K9sbruce (W)
Ramses (L)
Jack (L)

I214
Seagull Joe (W)
Frozen (L)
ARJAY!!! (L)

I215
IcyMist (W)
Raptor (L)
Kip! (L)

I216
Blacktwins (W)
Minix (L)
Professor Cube (L)

 

[JustCallMeJon]

Upset city in SmashCon 2018:

• Ralphie 2-1 Ally
• Blank 2-0 Fatality
• MagiMagi 2-1 CaptainZack
• Eon 2-0 MVD
• MuteAce 2-0 Raito
• MuteAce 2-1 Larry Lurr
• Geist 2-0 Dabuz
• Sinji 2-1 Marss
• MagiMagi 2-0 Eon
• Konga 2-0 ESAM (ESAM out 33rd)
• Zan 2-1 Raito (Raito out 49th)
• Larry Lurr 2-0 Dabuz (Dabuz out 33rd)
• BestNess 2-1 Light (Light out in Pools)

Apparently, I heard Melee got some big upsets too in Smash Con. SFAT and Mango sent to losers in pools as an example. This is gonna be wild.

 

[Illusion.]

Geist plays , and according to Reddit, MuteAce used .

 

[J0eyboi]

Upset city in SmashCon 2017:

wrong year

 

[Iridium]

Upset city in SmashCon 2017:

• Ralphie 2-1 Ally
• Blank 2-0 Fatality
• MagiMagi 2-1 CaptainZack
• Eon 2-0 MVD
• MuteAce 2-0 Raito
• MuteAce 2-1 Larry Lurr
• Geist 2-0 Dabuz
• Sinji 2-1 Marss
• MagiMagi 2-0 Eon
• Konga 2-0 ESAM (ESAM out 33rd)
• Zan 2-1 Raito (Raito out 49th)
• Larry Lurr 2-0 Dabuz (Dabuz out 33rd)
• BestNess 2-1 Light (Light out in Pools)

Apparently, I heard Melee got some big upsets too in Smash Con. SFAT and Mango sent to losers in pools as an example. This is gonna be wild.

Raito went out at 65th. I think people didn't look at the bracket.

 

[The_Bookworm]

Upsets for Pools Round 2

Spoiler

Winner's Matches
Midnight 2-1 Sinji
Ralphie 2-1 Ally
MagiMagi 2-1 CaptainZack
Eon2-0 MVD
Blank 2-0 Fatality
Geist 2-0 Dabuz
MuteAce 2-0 Raito
MuteAce 2-1 Larry Lurr
MagiMagi 2-0 Eon

Loser's Matches
Moser 2-0 Miloni (Out at 127th)
Egaz 2-0 Remzi (Out at 127th)
Uno 2-1 Daybreak (Out at 127th)
red berpo 2-0 Smasher1001 (Out at 127th)
BestNess 2-1 Light (Out at 97th)
Beast 2-1 Raptor (Out at 97th)
Cagt 2-1 Vermillion (Out at 97th)
Zan 2-1 Raito (Out at 65th)
Hex 2-0 THUNDER (Out at 65th)
IcyMist 2-0 Rags (Out at 65th)
Craftis 2-0 Gen (Out at 65th)
Note: Ally DQ'ed at Loser's (Out at 65th)
IcyMist 2-1 Blacktwins (Out at 49th)
Puppeh 2-1 Zephyr (Out at 49th)
Sinji 2-1 Marss (Out at 33rd)
Larry Lurr 2-0 Dabuz (Out at 33rd) (Not much of an upset, but still going to note)
Donquavious 2-1 Darkshad (Out at 33rd)
Konga 2-0 ESAM (Out at 33rd)
IcyMist 2-0 Captain L (Out at 33rd)
Puppeh 2-1 Eon (Out at 33rd)

Top 32 Bracket and Predictions

Spoiler

Winner's Bracket
Tweek vs ANTi I think Tweek has the upper hand in this one.
Ralphie vs MagiMagi -----Matchup wise, Ralphie. However, both of these up-and-coming players got make this go both ways.
Sonido vs MuteAce -I don't really know how this is going to turn out. Anybody's game.
Mistake vs Samsora ------Again, I don't know who will take this one, but I am going to bet on Samsora.
Nairo vs Elegant ----------Considering that Nairo lost against him in his last encounter + not doing as well as usual, I think Elegant might win this.
Salem vs SDX -------------This one can go in both ways, but I think Salem has the upper hand.
WaDi vs MkLeo -----I think MkLeo has this one without too much trouble.
Cosmos vs VoiD ----------This one can go either way.

Loser's Bracket
Sinji vs Donquavious -----Going to put my money on Sinji, purely due to his matchup experience against Greninja.
Puppeh vs Fatality --------Going to go with Fatality, but he lost to Blank earlier so it might go differently.
Larry Lurr vs Konga -------This is one is very volatile, but I will go with Larry due to his experience with DK.
Wrath vs IcyMist ----------Wrath is most likely going to win, but IcyMist is putting in some upsets this tourney.
Mr. E vs Midnight----Most likely Mr. E.
Blank vs CaptainZack -----Going to go with CaptainZack.
Craftis vs Geist ------------This one is volatile. Either could win this one.
tyroy vs 6WX --------------Another volatile one. Either could win this one.

 

[Iridium]

Upsets for Pools Round 2

Spoiler

Winner's Matches
Midnight 2-1 Sinji
Ralphie 2-1 Ally
MagiMagi 2-1 CaptainZack
Eon2-0 MVD
Blank 2-0 Fatality
Geist 2-0 Dabuz
MuteAce 2-0 Raito
MuteAce 2-1 Larry Lurr
MagiMagi 2-0 Eon

Loser's Matches
Moser 2-0 Miloni (Out at 127th)
Egaz 2-0 Remzi (Out at 127th)
Uno 2-1 Daybreak (Out at 127th)
red berpo 2-0 Smasher1001 (Out at 127th)
BestNess 2-1 Light (Out at 97th)
Beast 2-1 Raptor (Out at 97th)
Cagt 2-1 Vermillion (Out at 97th)
Zan 2-1 Raito (Out at 65th)
Hex 2-0 THUNDER (Out at 65th)
IcyMist 2-0 Rags (Out at 65th)
Craftis 2-0 Gen (Out at 65th)
Sho 2-0 NovaPiXL (Out at 65th)
Note: Ally DQ'ed at Loser's (Out at 65th)
Sho 2-0 Percy (Out at 49th)
IcyMist 2-1 Blacktwins (Out at 49th)
Puppeh 2-1 Zephyr (Out at 49th)
Sinji 2-1 Marss (Out at 33rd)
Larry Lurr 2-0 Dabuz (Out at 33rd) (Not much of an upset, but still going to note)
Donquavious 2-1 Darkshad (Out at 33rd)
Konga 2-0 ESAM (Out at 33rd)
IcyMist 2-0 Captain L (Out at 33rd)
Puppeh 2-1 Eon (Out at 33rd)

Top 32 Bracket and Predictions

Spoiler

Winner's Bracket
Tweek vs ANTi I think Tweek has the upper hand in this one.
Ralphie vs MagiMagi -----Matchup wise, Ralphie. However, both of these up-and-coming players got make this go both ways.
Sonido vs MuteAce -I don't really know how this is going to turn out. Anybody's game.
Mistake vs Samsora ------Again, I don't know who will take this one, but I am going to bet on Samsora.
Nairo vs Elegant ----------Considering that Nairo lost against him in his last encounter + not doing as well as usual, I think Elegant might win this.
Salem vs SDX -------------This one can go in both ways, but I think Salem has the upper hand.
WaDi vs MkLeo -----I think MkLeo has this one without too much trouble.
Cosmos vs VoiD ----------This one can go either way.

Loser's Bracket
Sinji vs Donquavious
Puppeh vs Fatality
Larry Lurr vs Konga
(Winner of Wrath vs Sho) vs IcyMist
Mr. E vs Midnight
Blank vs (Winner of Joe-J vs CaptainZack)
Craftis vs Geist
tyroy vs 6WX

Zan actually beat Raito with Meta Knight, not Toon Link.

 

[trickroom]

Forgive me for subtweeting Craftis because he's on stream, but self-titled "aggressive Sonics" always confuse me. Aren't they just making their character worse than it has to be just because they want to please stream viewers?

 

[The_Bookworm]

IcyMist 3-0 Elegant

I think she might be one of the best players against Luigi. She just knows all of Elegant's habits and abused them, although the first game was kinda robbed because of Lylat nonsense. XD

 

[Ordeaux26]

Mistake 3-0 VoiD

amazing job to mistake he is so good at Bayonetta's combo game

 

[Heracr055]

So Samsora (Peach) 3-2 Tweek (Cloud)

Samsora advances to Winner's Finals

 

[Ordeaux26]

So Samsora (Peach) 3-2 Tweek (Cloud)

Samsora advances to Winner's Finals

nobody was really surprised tweek is down 2-6 against samsora

 

[NotLiquid]

I ****ing love Samsora

 

[The_Bookworm]

I have no idea why Leo switched to Bayo on game 4 against Nairo, when he was doing so well with Cloud on game 3. It ended up working well for him, but I am confused on what was in Leo's head.

 

[The_Bookworm]

[Edit: Opps, sorry for the double post. RIP]

Super Smash Con 2018 (1,380 Attendees)

1st: MkLeo
2nd: Samsora
3rd: Tweek
4th: Cosmos
5th: Nairo
5th: Mistake
7th: Salem
7th: Larry Lurr
9th: MagiMagi
9th: Ralphie
9th: Sonido
9th: VoiD
13th: ANTi
13th: IcyMist
13th: CaptainZack
13th: WaDi
17th: Elegant
17th: Craftis
17th: tyroy
17th: Sinji
17th: Fatality
17th: SDX
17th: Mr. E
17th: MuteAce
25th: 6WX
25th: Geist
25th: Wrath
25th: Midnight
25th: Blank
25th: Donquavious
25th: Konga
25th: Puppeh

 

[NotLiquid]

Aaaaand that last stock was probably the best example of "yeah okay Rage is bad" I've seen in a while, and makes me all the more hopeful that there seems to be an option for it in Ultimate or that it's at least very weakened.

 

[FE_SLaDe]

I have no idea why Leo switched to Bayo on game 4 against Nairo, when he was doing so well with Cloud on game 3. It ended up working well for him, but I am confused on what was in Leo's head.

Leo most likely switched for the Bowser counter pick. He doesn't like playing Cloud or Marth into the grapplers and probably thought it was coming.

 

[The_Bookworm]

Aaaaand that last stock was probably the best example of "yeah okay Rage is bad" I've seen in a while, and makes me all the more hopeful that there seems to be an option for it in Ultimate or that it's at least very weakened.

It was mostly because Marth's tipper is stupid strong. Yes, rage is noticeably nerfed in Ultimate and there is evidence (not official confirmed though) that it could be turned off.

 

[Frihetsanka]

Super Smash Con 2018 (1,380 Attendees)


2nd: Samsora
4th: Cosmos
9th: MagiMagi
9th: Ralphie
9th: Sonido
13th: IcyMist

Lots of hype and interesting placements, Samsora #2, Cosmos #4, and three relativity unknown players for 9th! Also, IcyMist 13th is nice. A European who isn't Mr. R (MagiMagi) getting 9th at such a large tournament is hype too.

 

[Iridium]

Light easily got the worst luck this tourney. Out at 97th, being the lowest-placing PGR player there.

 

[Prince Koopa Jr]

Samsora had a great performance.

 

[The_Bookworm]

A little update here, but S1 (top European Ness player) announced that he is going to retire from competitive SSB4 in preparation for Smash Ultimate.

Fatality is also planning in participating in very few events until Smash Ultimate's release as well. Smash Con might be one of his final events before Ultimate's release.

Edit: Can someone reply, I have another post to show off?

 

[Iridium]

A little update here, but S1 (top European Ness player) announced that he is going to retire from competitive SSB4 in preparation for Smash Ultimate.

Fatality is also planning in participating in very few events until Smash Ultimate's release as well. Smash Con might be one of his final events before Ultimate's release.

Edit: Can someone reply, I have another post to show off?

Japan did terribly at SSC. Their best player was Ke-ya, and he unfortunately only got 49th, and not a lot showed up.

Also, are you going to continue your thread on SSBU alts? It's really good.

 

[The_Bookworm]

Japan did terribly at SSC. Their best player was Ke-ya, and he unfortunately only got 49th, and not a lot showed up.

Also, are you going to continue your thread on SSBU alts? It's really good.

Until new alts are announced, there isn't really much I can do but wait. Maybe I could search for larger pictures, but that is it for now.
Edit: I might actually talk about the alts that are in the e3 demo and how they are different from SSB4's (or in the case for Snake and Ice Climbers, Brawl's).


Sumabato 27 (251 Entrants)

1st: Zackray
2nd: KEN
3rd: shky
4th: Shuton
5th: ikep
5th: Kuwa
7th: Towa
7th: Tsu-
9th: Compact
9th: Kuro
9th: Mangalitza
9th: Umeki
13th: Eim
13th: HIKARU
13th: Rizeasu (Don't know)
13th: Tea

The new stock icons for the 5 new characters from the direct just came in, but they are invisible to me. I forgot how to fix this issue lol.