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I can see whyThe characters with legitimate arguments for going even with Sheik in a 2 stock 1 ban environment are. Some of these, like ZSS Peach and Bowser, require you to reach a bit.
Lucario doesn't really fit. He certainly loses.
could be even but how is even? I've never heard an argument or how peach or sheik mains think about the mu, would you care to explain it from sheik's perspective?
Cloud's Sheik matchup is not a barrier at all. Not only is their empirical proof of the matchup being done at top level (as evidenced by Komorikiri's clean 2-0 record against VoiD), but the matchup itself logically is not that bad. Cloud can compete very effectively in neutral with disjointed and utilize his high damage output to rack up damage on Sheik, then set up situations to KO Sheik before she KOs him. The reason it is considered in Sheik's favor is primarily due to two things, which are capacity to play a long-distance game (needles) and edgeguarding, but I think Cloud definitely has enough in this matchup (range/kill power/punishes/neutral) to make it very slightly in Sheik's favor or possibly even.About half of the really good characters in this game don't really have matchups that they can't win. It's close enough to even that you'll see upsets often enough.
The exceptions are
We already had a discussion about this a while back and I think we all agree that we need more data but I'm still gonna throw this out there, I think Marth is in that list of characters as well.The characters with legitimate arguments for going even with Sheik in a 2 stock 1 ban environment are
Lucario doesn't really fit. He certainly loses.
Sheik is a top tier, it is natural that her MU spread is full of +1s and +2s. The other top tiers also have a lot of +2s, like Cloud, Rosa and ZSS.
Except they have actual counters
the best shiek mains continue to be consistently in top 8. we all know the meme of "void didnt win again" but he has never had a trela moment. mr. r issue in the last tournament is a player v player issue not a shiek issue. shiek has tools for every situation and everything about her as a character is elite except her weight. shieks placements are centered in a few players tho. prenerf you could play shiek with a basic formula needles> when shielded grab> when at kill percent do 50-50 setups. that doesnt work now you have to work A LOT harder to have everything go right, but its purely on the player. there isnt a situation shiek cant handle if her user is skilled enough.
It's no worse than -1. Marss took two sets off Zinoto last weekend and Nairo has only lost to ZeRo this year and one time to Zinoto in the MU (winning his sets vs the other Diddy players). It'd be extremely difficult for any character to ever be more than +1 on a character like ZSS when (without going into great detail) she has such an easy time killing, she's crazy fast, the stage picking system favors her, and she's loaded with stupid buttons that confirm into more stupid buttons or just kill early.
Except I've never used the term "pocket Cloud" to begin with. I've talked about using Cloud as a tertiary character, which in case of Mr r would be 100% accurate. Sheik being his main makes her his primary choice, Bayonetta being his second most used character in tournament would be his secondary. That leaves Cloud as his next most frequent pick, making him his tertiary choice - just as I called it.
Fox does not get "rocked" in any matchup. Mario's matchups vs Sonic is just about as bad as any of Fox' losing matchups, for instance.Fox gets rocked in multiple matchups (Bayonetta/Sheik/Luigi, maybe Ryu).
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come fromFlorida is really ****ing good. Don't sleep on us. :eyes:
Except I've never used the term "pocket Cloud" to begin with. I've talked about using Cloud as a tertiary character, which in case of Mr r would be 100% accurate. Sheik being his main makes her his primary choice, Bayonetta being his second most used character in tournament would be his secondary. That leaves Cloud as his next most frequent pick, making him his tertiary choice - just as I called it.
Fox does not get "rocked" in any matchup. Mario's matchups vs Sonic is just about as bad as any of Fox' losing matchups, for instance.
https://youtu.be/ACHGNmbdKbQ?t=493
It's a good thing I live in the easy Midwest.
Friendly reminder that the setup isn't really guaranteed ((S)DI down, mash airdodge). It still leads you to a bad/awkward position, but it's not like that stuff will always work.
It's not "free", it's a 50/50, she has to stop if she expects the airdodge, leaving time for the opponent to jump.
Are we talking about strongest region as it pertains to the tip top players? Or strength of the lower-ranked players as well?
It mainly works on fastfallers (Falco, Fox, Sheik), but again, it stops working at a quite low %.
The clip of M2 dying dumb early to Luma has me wondering...Why is Luma so strong? Where can I get one? Will it go to work for me? And...
What are you talking about?
About time NAKAT admitted he dropped Ness.
And then you see stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2znNev1jKc#t=6m
Smash doesn't really have counter hits, at least in the traditional sense. The only time it comes into play is if you hit someone who's currently charging a smash attack, in which case they'll take 20% more knockback than usual.
As awesome as all of those strengths are, I still believe the primary reason ZSS is so good is her disadvantage state and how easily she can escape potentially hazardous situations.
as a co-main and bring it to the level of his . I actually feel like Sheik would be a really good pick for him. Lucas could possibly help with the Bayonetta matchup, but I don't know.
I think all of these characters do fairly well against Bayo tbhNAKAT said in his video he's looking to play either
