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Convincingly: Corrin.
Except not.
Do you even know his recent results?
... and?
My post totally mentions Corrin though ...
Marth has bad landing options and Mewtwo has extremely powerful, arguably the best, punishes against landings. Its a serious issue when you have to be in the air to approach Mewtwo since you can't challenge dtilt or win a trade with fair.
So if a character has a super glaring single weakness versus one character even if they have other strengths it gives the other character an advantage? Scary....
lose so badly to ? The sole reason is Ness's uniquely bad recovery and how easily Rosa can exploit itcan do so well vs despite Coud technically outperforming Bayo in quite a few ways. (Mobility, Frame Data, KO moves etc.)
Why don't cloud mains do this too with limit charge cancel? Of course it isn't as fast as sheik's, but you still gain the ability to use tilts and smash attacks out of a run without stopping.
Sheik is the best character in Smash 4.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but jumping to conclusions, aren't we?
While I may agree that for Fox, the footstool doesn't seem guaranteed at all, there are setups into it, like Ftilt, or Bair at low %.
Diddy's dtilt kill set ups are less common in high level play because people are getting good a DIing it away. This makes the true combo window a lot smaller and if near the ledge diddy can't get anything.While I may agree that for Fox, the footstool doesn't seem guaranteed at all, there are setups into it, like Ftilt, or Bair at low %.
And Diddy's thing has never stopped working, it's just that people stopped challenging Diddy's Dtilt at the center of the stage (and Diddies still get a lot of Dtilt>Bair kills).
But now that we are on the topic, I expect Marth's jab to fall from grace, too. Not much mind you as it's still a very good move, but it isn't as reliable when the opponents are DIing away.
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No, those moves don't combo into it. Its close but it isn't true. It's hard to react to it but the point is if you are standing on the ledge and fox is next to you, you should expect the ftilt-fair attempt. It is as obvious as a Wario putting a bike on the ledge when you know he is going to use it to extend the waft hitbox to cover rolls etc.While I may agree that for Fox, the footstool doesn't seem guaranteed at all, there are setups into it, like Ftilt, or Bair at low %.
And Diddy's thing has never stopped working, it's just that people stopped challenging Diddy's Dtilt at the center of the stage (and Diddies still get a lot of Dtilt>Bair kills).
Exactly this
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, Mewtwo can't instantly cancel shadowball without shielding so it doesn't work. I believe it's unique to when looking at the good characters. 
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Just checked and it totally doesMy post totally mentions Corrin though ...
must've focused too much on the character icons and skimmed past his name. My bad should move to mid tier. Maybe has a chance if IcyMist keeps up her results.
All of these are already low mid though.....Time for my opinion here:
Next year
Not according to the 4br, I think that's what she means.
IDK. I mean it depends on how you work out "tiers" in ssb4. Like on the current list:Time for my opinion here:
Next year
That's what I mean, yeah.
They don't have to be better than anybody in E tier, they could just simply enter it. What you suggested would also be plausible.IDK. I mean it depends on how you work out "tiers" in ssb4. Like on the current list:
I have trouble seeing anyone in E tier being worse than characters in F tier, well maybe Wario. While I could see characters like Link, Samus and Shulk moving to a higher position in F tier I can't say they're as good as the E tiers.
My logic for Link being "lower mid-tier" is he has a better chance to win than low tiers like Zelda, B jr, etc. I see tiers as separations of viability. In ssb4 most characters have at least some viability with good players behind them. Maybe that makes them mid-tier but in terms of 'who's better than who' I don't see said characters making much of a leap. IMO the low and bottom tiers as shown^ will be shuffled around a bit under the glass ceiling of the better mid tiers.
will drop eventually to E, but that's just me.
has come back in a big way and is likely among the best againcould be B or even A tier now. can be moved up too by proxyIs still S tier, but is not the "2nd" best in the game"and can rise up due to recent strong showing from some of their respective mains. Such as Samsora for Peach, Elegant for LuigiThe next list is out to be somewhere around January, at least that's what I believe it said in the SB article. With ZeRo Saga and G4 up ahead we'll have a lot to take from as well. If anything I'm hoping that the letters have + and - this time, I still feel like S-H isn't that reflective of this game's balance. If it were something like S or A+ to F then that would be pretty rad.Ok, I think we need to just need to all just agree right now that the latest 4BR tier list has already become outdated and is just wrong in a lot of places in accordance to current results right now.
To be fair its not really the fault of anyone for that the overall information for the tier list was faulty. Its just that the overall meta of smash4 changed so quickly in the and overall results changed from so many characters over the following months in ways that almost no one really expected.
Just a few examples on some thing i think many people can agree on..
I think we almost need to consider starting a new 4BR tier list already with how quickly the meta has changed. lol
could also likely see a rise with Elegant's recent performances.
