#2 UPDATE 5/21 Down Smash Information

[Commander_Beef]

<< cBEEF's >>
<<Down Smash Encouragement (with data)>>​

<<Why his Down Smash kill percents?>>​

<<Since we all know that our up tilt can be a somewhat predictable kill move to others and there are no attacks that can support it or lead to it, I believe this move is a decent backup if we know our kill percents for it as well as our kill percents for our up tilt, despite the down smash's reasonable lag.>>
(((This does not mean to not use up tilt as often to kill as you normally would. Just consider the down smash also since the up tilt has the faster hitbox on top of him, while down smash has it in front of him as well as behind him.)))

<<Important Concepts>>​

• <<When King Dedede down smashes while your opponent is behind King Dedede, it will deal the exact same knockback and percent as it does when your opponent is in front of you, unlike such characters like Marth's and Mario's down smashes.>>

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  <<Kill percents can be greatly applied to the Buuman Trap, so if you know the kill percents and set up the trap, you'll be in good shape of killing someone earlier with the extra option along with up tilt.>>

• <<Its unexpected hitbox range will cut through other hitboxes if you time it correctly, and it looks like it’s extended. One example is in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHDkWT2itnY
  

• <<Down Smash can stage spike while your opponent is on the ledge, so try to time it correctly before they do a ledge option.>>

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  <<Proof of the down smash's incredible range is in this video. It's similar to the one above but the one above looks glitchy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQBrep1q9Rc

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• <<I have also found that a good mindgame to set up the down smash kill is to approach (or retreat) an airdodge while fast-falling to the floor, then down smashing, since King Dedede generally has one of the fastest fast-falls. It works out great, you'll notice it in the "range" video.>>

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  <<Understand that it must be fresh at the following kill percents, and you might want to add 3%--7% if your opponent is good at Directional Influence, or if they use it at all.>>

Kill Percents​

<<Jigglypuff ----------- 87%>>

<<Squirtle ----------- 90%>>

<<Mr. Game & Watch ----------- 92%>>

<<Kirby -------------------- 94%>>

<<Fox ------------ 95%>>

<<Meta Knight ----- 95%>>

<<Sheik ------------ 97%>>

<<Zelda ---------------------------- 97%>>

<<Zero Suit Samus -- 98%>>

<<Pikachu -------------- 98%>>

<<Olimar ------------ 98%>>

<<Peach ------------ 99%>>

<<Falco ------------ 101%>>

<<Ice Climbers ------------ 102%>>

<<Toon Link ------------ 103%>>

<<Lucas ------------ 104%>>

<<Marth ------------ 105%>>

<<Ness ------------ 106%>>

<<Diddy Kong ------------ 106%>>

<<Luigi ------------ 107%>>

<<Mario ------------ 107%>>

<<Sonic ------------ 107%>>

<<Pit ------------ 107%>>

<<Lucario ------------ 108%>>

<<Ivysaur ------------ 110%>>

<<R.O.B. ------------ 111%>>

<<Samus ------------ 112%>>

<<Yoshi ------------ 113%>>

<<Wario ------------ 114%>>

<<Wolf ------------ 114%>>

<<Charizard ------------ 115%>>

<<Link ------------ 116%>>

<<Ike ------------ 117%>>

<<Ganondorf ------------ 118%>>

<<Captain Falcon ------------ 119%>>

<<Bowser ------------ 120%>>

<<Donkey Kong ------------ 124%>>

<<Snake ------------ 125%>>

<<King Dedede ------------ 129%>>

 

[sMexy-Blu]

You should order them from hardest to kill to easiest to kill.

Dsmash can make people get ***** stagespiked if they are hanging on the ledge or trying to recover.

 

[Dark 3nergy]

The video you posted came up with an error;

"The URL contained a malformed video ID. "

Im definitely trying to adapt dsmash more into my meta game, thread helps quite abit, thanks.

I agree with Smexy, if you could please re-order everything from lowest % kill to highest % kill, it'll make it easier to read.

Across the board it looks as if the 110%-120% range is the best time to take out the dsmash...good to know.

 

[Commander_Beef]

Oh alright, I'll put them in that descending order, and thanks for the tip smexy I'll add that. . .and I'll try to fix the video...

 

[Gates]

Obvious question time:

1. Was this tested in training mode or vs. mode?
2. Was this tested with DI or without? Given one of your notifications, I'm guessing it was without.
3. What stage was this tested on? Ceiling height can skew the data.

Also, the reason your video isn't working is because of the ">>" at the end. You should use the and tags to fix it.

I also completely approve of this thread. Dsmash is an underrated move. I was actually considering creating a thread that would say something like this:

ATTN: Dedede Mains

Dsmash is a good move.

You should like, you know...

use it.

...or...

I think dsmash is a pretty cool guy eh has more horizontal range than utilt and doesn't afraid of anything

 

[Commander_Beef]

Obvious question time:

1. Was this tested in training mode or vs. mode?
2. Was this tested with DI or without? Given one of your notifications, I'm gue?ssing it was without.
3. What stage was this tested on? Ceiling height can skew the data.

Also, the reason your video isn't working is because of the ">>" at the end. You should use the and tags to fix it.

I also completely approve of this thread. Dsmash is an underrated move. I was actually considering creating a thread that would say something like this:...or...

Besides you making such an abrupt message, I thank you for approving.
1.) Training mode, obviously if I'm finding the percents for the target move.

2.) Yeah I thought people would assume it was without DI.

3.) Final Destination, at the middle. So I should make more approved percentages which should be more on Battlefield and less percent on Smashville for each character huh...?

And mainly, it was called Down Smash Data because I wanted to bring out the percentage and small things of the down smash, but mainly the kill percents.

 

[rofljont]

this is smart, and could be very usefful i can see d3s downsmash being used more like metas fsmash

 

[RATED]

I use this attack a lot to kill for real ! predict a roll or a spot dodge and is a free dsmash this is a awesome move for real, I call this move the falco sweeper!

I though that ddd users here used this move as a kill move I use it a lot is like another uptilt to me.

 

[Commander_Beef]

That's good my friend. If you read my whole thread about it and you feel you know some percents, you're set.

 

[Gates]

Besides you making such an abrupt message, I thank you for approving.
1.) Training mode, obviously if I'm finding the percents for the target move.

2.) Yeah I thought people would assume it was without DI.

3.) Final Destination, at the middle. So I should make more approved percentages which should be more on Battlefield and less percent on Smashville for each character huh...?

And mainly, it was called Down Smash Data because I wanted to bring out the percentage and small things of the down smash, but mainly the kill percents.

1. Training mode and vs. mode have different settings for knockback percents. I suggest you test these percents in vs. mode so they can be, you know, accurate.
2. Thought so.
3. FD is fine, I just wanted to know what stage you were using.

 

[Commander_Beef]

Did someone remove the underlines from the title? lol