(」・ω・)」 MARS la Marf in Smash 4 (／・ω・)／

[Thunder Of Zeus]

i once tried dthrow from low% to pivot shield breaker... fail. better off Fsmashing or pivot dtilting... I usually only use my shield breaker for:
mixup
if i know where they're headed and know they have to shield to take the hit i deal (rare)
recovering
spur of the moment feeling

 

[Darxmarth23]

I use it only to recover if needed, and to push snake back when he is recovering.

I might get c4ed.

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

I use it only to recover if needed, and to push snake back when he is recovering.

I might get c4ed.

i hate that stupid c4

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

so does anyone think we should rediscuss marths match ups?

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

not really...

 

[Remzi]

so does anyone think we should rediscuss marths match ups?

have any in mind?

 

[Steel]

any of the threads can be bumped at any time for rediscussion

 

[Hence]

have any in mind?

Oh, oh, Zero Suit Samus!

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

I was actually thinking that, tbh... but then I thought MK, cause you can't go wrong devising new ways to beat MK.

 

[Shaya]

New in the market for the MK match up:

GUARANTEED TIPPER FSMASH OUT OF GRAB RELEASE. (19%) [80% death]
GUARANTEED TIPPER NAIR OUT OF GRAB RELEASE (18%) [110% death]
GUARANTEED SEX WITH HOT WOMEN IF YOU BEAT M2K (100%)

 

[En.Ee.Oh]

either way it doesn't matter, because neo is the best marth.

btw i sensed spite in this comment with that cute little comma


dont think this went unnoticed ***** u not slick lmao ;D

 

[Steel]

edited out cus shaya is australian

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

are all three jokes or just one, shaya?

 

[En.Ee.Oh]

New in the market for the MK match up:

GUARANTEED TIPPER FSMASH OUT OF GRAB RELEASE. (19%) [80% death]
GUARANTEED TIPPER NAIR OUT OF GRAB RELEASE (18%) [110% death]
GUARANTEED SEX WITH HOT WOMEN IF YOU BEAT M2K (100%)

the **** is this? @ the first one

 

[Shaya]

No one really questions the last one, but everyones like HOLY **** THE FIRST ONE CANT BE TRUE.

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

that's cause its nawt.

amirite?

 

[Shaya]

Probably, I like giving people hopes and dreams.

"Keikaku doori".

Hi, Emblem Lord <3.

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

shaya, you are a confusing individual

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

well d3 would be a good start since mike said he thinks the match up is even so I wouldn't mind hearing about that. Neo also said he did good against the MK's he went up against at Apex also I would like to see if the grab release to dair effects the match up any if at all. Those would be good starting points IMO.

 

[Junk DGH]

if your pivot boost out of grab release... more possibilities

 

[Shaya]

Marth:MK may be tipping back towards 40:60. Maybe.

With 18% damage out of a grab release, killing from the centre of fd at 120% (nair), we have a reliable kill move and damage racker.
Counting off that it only takes two dancing blade strings to clear your move set, that also combo out of grab releases...
With Marth's dsmash 'out ranging' [out disjointing] MK's dtilt, making it very reliable for a shield drop punishment and having Marth's largest tipper hitbox...

Whilst we've been told to not fish for the grab, as it is heavily punished, we're finding ways to execute them, and the better Marth is at grabbing an MK, the easier the match up gets. As we have reliable ways to take anywhere from a 1/5th to a 1/3rd of MK's stock for every grab.

But eh, we still get gimped hard.

Pivot boosting out of grab release may be a found way to string tilts, smashes or other moves from a grab release.
Boost Pivot Grabs don't allow for a cg.
Boost grabs may allow you to cg meta.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

if your pivot boost out of grab release... more possibilities

What's this pivot boost you're talking about?

Marth:MK may be tipping back towards 40:60. Maybe.

With 18% damage out of a grab release, killing from the centre of fd at 120% (nair), we have a reliable kill move and damage racker.
Counting off that it only takes two dancing blade strings to clear your move set, that also combo out of grab releases...
With Marth's dsmash 'out ranging' [out disjointing] MK's dtilt, making it very reliable for a shield drop punishment and having Marth's largest tipper hitbox...

Whilst we've been told to not fish for the grab, as it is heavily punished, we're finding ways to execute them, and the better Marth is at grabbing an MK, the easier the match up gets. As we have reliable ways to take anywhere from a 1/5th to a 1/3rd of MK's stock for every grab.

But eh, we still get gimped hard.

That sounds good and if MK dash as you pivot grab will **** him. Any way to prevent the gimps? Counter maybe? Even though it's risky it's better than getting gimped and recovering low is always good.

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

i guess you could DS and use the invincibility frames to survive the dairs =\

 

[MikeSanti]

If only Dolphin Slash did great knockback from both Tip and Up-Close. Grab Release to Tippered Dolphin Slash..! Perhaps.

 

[ZHMT]

Since when did dsmash outdisjoint mk's dtilt?

I need to get posting here again <<

So this means if a MK dtilts your shield, dsmash out of it is a reliable option?

 

[Steel]

it only works if you dsmash at the exact same time he dtilts

in other words its risky as hell if you plan on using it

 

[Mintzsquee]

Not sure if my friend is DI'ing badly, but fthrow > fair > fthrow > nair > dashing usmash seems to be working well on his MK.

The hit of the fair is the kinda weird mmph i got slapped in the face fair.

Edit: Nevermind I just ate a shuttle loop to the face.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

it only works if you dsmash at the exact same time he dtilts

in other words its risky as hell if you plan on using it

Is there any move of Marth's that isn't risky as hell?

 

[Steel]

fair and dtilt

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

fair and dtilt

I guess your right

 

[mikeHAZE]

if your pivot boost out of grab release... more possibilities

you can forward smash them out of it, if they don't jump.

according to fiction though, don't take MY word for it

well d3 would be a good start since mike said he thinks the match up is even so I wouldn't mind hearing about that. Neo also said he did good against the MK's he went up against at Apex also I would like to see if the grab release to dair effects the match up any if at all. Those would be good starting points IMO.

Well, i really wish i could help, but i just do the generic **** against everyone. I just space everything pretty much...which is what i've always tried to do. Just keep my spacing. I don't know WHY i got better at this matchup, but for some reason it's just a lot easier.


well i guess i do know kinda, time to start writing that guide i was talking about. I gave up on it after losing what i had written already, but **** it i think i understand how i play now.

btw i sensed spite in this comment with that cute little comma


dont think this went unnoticed ***** u not slick lmao ;D

nahhh, the comma was there to add a dramatic pause as one reads it, to REASSURE that what is next is legit.

PUTTIN ME ON BLAST? :[

 

[Cia]

does anyone else play marth almost exactly as they do in Melee??

 

[Junk DGH]

by pivot boost i meant the walking twirly thing

grab release twirl to tip f smash

 

[mikeHAZE]

does it work? like i said, friction said it did. but iono

 

[Shaya]

I'm struggling to get Marth moving fast from the grab release, but if you get Marth moving at max speed it seems plausible... tis all I can really say about it...

Gt to remember you only have 10 frames or so before you have to start an fsmash...

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

does anyone else play marth almost exactly as they do in Melee??

nope. not really.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I'm struggling to get Marth moving fast from the grab release, but if you get Marth moving at max speed it seems plausible... tis all I can really say about it...

Gt to remember you only have 10 frames or so before you have to start an fsmash...

Yeah, when do you have to input the dash for this to work?
I'm having trouble getting the timing down, whenever I get it it's just luck and I can't effectively reproduce it.

 

[Shaya]

If you're getting grab release to fsmash AT ALL before Meta Knight touches the ground you're doing unbelievably better than I.

 

[flizzz]

I know this might be a noob question (well I am a marth noob in training) but is meta knights reach longer then marths? It seems like it when I play a meta knight. Link also

 

[KRiMz0N]

does anyone else play marth almost exactly as they do in Melee??

marth is way too different, unlike jiggs