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Truth in the matter is, everyone is being affected by this, and you're not doing anything shutting down a potential truth. I ask people who don't believe in the first place: What do we gain from lying? Money? Views? 5 minutes of attention? It's a lot less than what the elite gains from keeping people all locked up at home and easy to control.

Yeah there is an overall issue with people refusing to consider other viewpoints. And immediately shutting down discourse and refusing to engage isn't really healthy for debate. Even if you don't agree with something/someone, it's still worthwhile to debate and engage with them.

I think people are just scared over the current situation and high tensions might play into this. The MSM doing the usual of fanning the flames for views isn't really helping either. It doesn't help that some countries were already facing hardship and some governments have been pretty horrible about handling this.

I think the biggest issue is the lack of information surrounding who the virus affects and what the overall implications are. We just simply don't know much about it or why it affects some people more than others. Some people seem to shrug it off well enough and others have it bad enough to die from it. There doesn't seem to be any strict reasons why it might affect someone more than others, even if there might be a correlation to already sick or old people being affected more than others (but that's almost a given with any virus).

Because we lack that information, there really isn't any way we can say it is as bad as we currently think nor can we say that it isn't an issue and is being overblown. The only thing we do know is that it is more infectious and spreads more easily than something like the common flu. Which can be bad if it does turn out to be something dangerous. And until we uncover that info, I think people aren't going to take any chances and are going to be more sensitive about this subject on the whole.

You also have to consider cultural and structural factors in the various countries when talking about something like this too. Here in the US for example, we don't have anything approaching a functional healthcare system. Whether or not this virus turns out to be bad or not is irrelevant. The healthcare costs for treatment are insane and most people aren't going to be able to afford them. My little brother was likely one of the early cases in the US as he was on a flight during the China outbreak and was laid up in bed for two weeks after with a severe illness that was very similar to the symptoms of the Corona virus. He's had a history of weak lungs, so that was to be expected, but he was lucky it didn't get worse because he wouldn't have been able to afford a hospital stay.

Even if it doesn't kill many people, just having an outbreak in the US is disastrous for the economic implications and a lot of our hospitals are on the verge of bankruptcy and our government is about to bail out the system itself. So a quarantine to help prevent the healthcare system from being overloaded is important for that reason, even if the virus itself may or may not be a huge issue.

Some places like Sweden aren't in quarantine and have been faring much better than even countries that are in it, but that's because there's a high level of social trust and people are making sure not to do stupid things like lick toilets. Unfortunately, that's not something that can easily be replicated in other countries, so the measures being taken have to be different. It's much harder to do that here in the US where people have a very low sense of trust in each other and the government. It doesn't help that we have people shooting workers for asking them to wear a mask.

So even if we lifted quarantine, there's really no guarantee people are going back to their normal lives and going out and stuff. IIRC Germany did this and people were still self-quarantining and not coming back to restaurants and other places. And that's not likely to change until we get some definitive answers on who the virus affects and how badly or until a vaccine is created.

i always found this waaaay to overblown, it's just a little virus that can easily infect others, and just like the flu some people get it real bad and others do not, people get mad if you compare this virus to the flu..but you know what? they work the same way, a flu is also more dangerous to some people and to others it's not, i know someone who is like very healthy but still be very very ill when having the flu.

people from my country finally realize this virus isn't as bad as the media tries to make you believe, there is only a small group of people who are still scared but most of us are ready to continue our lives corona or no corona.

you Americans had a later start then most of us countries from europe so you guys are still in the ''fear the virus!'' phase

Us Americans have also had a much higher death rate and the aforementioned healthcare issues. It's a little different here than Europe for a variety of reasons. Corona also is more infectious and kills more people than the flu. Not too much more, but enough that it can make mass infection an issue.

You have to remember that America is not a social democracy like Europe. We don't have a robust social safety net and other things you probably take for granted. Most Americans can't afford a $400 emergency and the insurances companies are starting to refuse coverage for Corona treatment. Getting the virus here means something completely different, even if it doesn't affect us severely. I mean we have like a 60% obesity rate here and that's what the virus seems to affect the most next to maybe smokers.

So you add that to the overall fact that tens of thousands of Americans die every year due to being unable to afford healthcare and you have a problem unique to America among the first world. Remember that the death tolls are only factored in after people go through first world healthcare systems. What happens if we remove healthcare from the equation? How much would the death toll skyrocket?

Most Americans would go bankrupt from medical expenses, if they could even afford to get their foot in the door at all. It's why we doing everything we can to avoid going to the doctor. Being unable to afford healthcare with a virus more deadly and infectious than the flu is more of an issue for us than it might be for other countries.

The whole concept of "not believing" in the virus sounds ridiculous. I haven't seen your video so I don't know the kinds of points you make (I would watch it if I knew where to find it) but I find it really, really hard to believe you can just outright not believe in something like this. Sure, there's a lot of hopeful things like recoveries the media don't tell you and should tell you, but "not believing" is denying the deaths of thousands of people. Even if you won't die or suffer from it, it's selfish to say that means it's blown out of proportion because you can still spread it and infect people who will die from it.

The original video was from David Icke, and it got taken down (not a coincidence). There's a version dubbed into Spanish, so look into it if you understand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxabond2Ivg&t

And I asked myself the same question:

How is it that there are supposedly thousands of deaths and millions of infected? It's simple, they fake it. They take any other causes and say people are "testing positive" for coronavirus. If you happen to die from heart failure, they'll list you saying you died from COVID19. There's also a part of the video that mentions you pay close attention to the sort of wording they use: "X person tested positive of COVID19 and died", instead of outright "died from".

Lol using David Ick as a proof of evidence for anything. The guy is a crock pot as all conspiracy theorists tend to be and I question anyone’s judgement (and sanity) when trying to use them to strengthen their argument. I’m generally a very open-minded and welcoming person but I’m out when someone brings up tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists. I had an argument with my co-worker (the only out-of-America republican I have ever met during my time abroad) who was using Alex ****ing Jones to support his claims that silver toothpaste works against the virus. Both my co-worker and Jones are whack-jobs and I told him exactly that.

people also don't just die cause of corona but with corona..i'm not sure or i said that right but people who died already had other conditions/weak immune system or some other reason they had a weaker body to fight the virus, they try to make us believe every corona death is caused by just corona but that's wrong. corona just overloaded their body/immune system.

It is true that Corona death determination is still pretty sloppy for those reasons mentioned. It just doesn't necessarily prove that the virus isn't a big deal. It just goes to show we don't really have much information so we aren't able to easily determine what deaths it's explicitly caused. I think once more research is done and we get a better handle on how the virus works we can better determine if it is a big deal or not.

I don't understand Spanish so I'm not going to be able to understand anything in the video. But I personally would rather err on the side of caution until we know more for sure what the virus is and how dangerous it is. Even if it isn't deadly, it still sounds like something I wouldn't want to contract anyway. Any more than the flu or other illnesses.

Exacerbating other conditions is still a legitimate worry for those of us with already existing health issues and could still make this virus an issue in that regard. It's why we are careful that our older relatives don't get the flu or something like that.

Venus of the Desert Bloom People that don't listen to what Icke has to say are all the exact same. You won't even bother listening to the actual content of his words, and jump into quick conclusions because the headline sounds crazy. But everything the mainstream media says is all fine and reasonable, apparently.

"conspiracy" is actually a word created by the very U.S government in the 50/60s to try and ridiculize these kind of theories and shrug them off. That's what they want you to believe. If people don't want to listen to what I have to say, then why should I?

That doesn’t change the fact that David Icke is one person vs. professionals. Doctors say this thing is true, so it’s true. Icke is not certified to be talking like that, so don’t trust everything he says. Listen to yourself here, you’re literally saying “That’s just what they want you to believe” Yes, that’s what they want me to believe because they’re medical professionals telling the truth. What does anyone have to gain by faking a whole pandemic?

Oz o: Oh, I know the content of Icke’s words and I’m well-read/aware on what he supports. In fact, I have read a few of his books and hear of a few lectures back when I had the time and energy to dedicate to doing so. To be honest, some of it spoke to me as I was really hooked on the idea of reptilians (or any aliens) Involved in society. But the reality snapped in and I realized how ridiculous it was. As for the term “conspiracy theorist”, you can doll the term up as much as want. Free thinker. Rational realist. Connector of dots. Regardless if you are talking flat Earth, Russian involvement in the election, or reptilians; they are all conspiracy theories and those who spend a considerable time promoting and supporting them are conspiracy theorists.

I should of clarified this in my original post but, Oz, I didn’t know where you stood at the time in regards to Icke’s ideas but I thought perhaps you were in the mid-zone in support or just found a video out of curiosity. Like, if you liked Icke’s ideas behind the virus or if you also support his half-baked claims that the Jews are reptilian overlords. If you support the guy, that’s fine by me. If you think his theories are sound, again, it’s your choice. You could think that 9/11 was an inside job, the earth is flat, Obama is married of a man, The Holocaust was faked, and the guy who shot up Pizza Gate was a sleeper agent who was destroying a USB drive containing incriminating evidence against Podesta and Hillary (the aforementioned Republican coworker believes in all of these).


Truth be told, I'm fine if you subscribe to those ideas. I might call foul on them but, if you truly believe in them to be true, I’m not going to to try to change your opinion as I dislike when people change on me for what I believe My main issue with this sort of stuff is how can in affect me personally. As long as it doesn’t negatively affect me or my family (like the notions of white genocide and racial purity given my kids being half-white/half-Japanese), I’m usually fine and turn a blind eye to it. So, in truth, there’s nothing that affects me negatively because, from what I can tell, most people are socially distancing and observing proper quarantine etiquette. However, that one I met ruined coworker sits right next to me at work and labels me child abuseR for vaccinating my children and has ripped off my face mask and coughed in my face after I said “I do think face masks should be required for work when dealing with the public.”