TheBuzzSaw

Buzz it is then Hmm, so why did you pick that name? Nothing is wrong but I'm just a bit curious about it.....

Hmm, should I call you Mr. BuzzSaw or is Buzz okay?

Ok then. The only reason I'm going to get it is for the cross platform play.

Hey Buzz, how is it that you and a couple of other people I have seen are allowed more space for avatars?

Ah. Well, that's not very good for me... >_<

Thanks anyway. I'll try to find it some other way. You want me to tell you if I find one so you can use it?

I can has Halo 2 xp hack?

lol, I saw a post mentioning it. Think you could help me find one?

Ha, that's a good idea actually. How's your daughter doing? How old is she now?

Okay, perfectly understandable.
Thank for clearing my thoughts on it.

Thank you very much. =)

I was going to post a thread in the Shiek forums linking and giving instructions on how to post in this thread, but I'm not sure if there is already a thread over there that I should post this in.

Just checking with you to make sure I'm allowed to make a thread, since you're a Sheik board mod and all.
If I'm not, please direct me to the thread I should post it in.


Thanks.

After taking some time to do some research and what-not, I've come to learn something--maybe a bit surreal, I don't know, but you seemed like the best person to say this to. I don't think it's make a decent thread.
Why you? Well you are the only person to discuss to me about this subject of "doing what it takes to win".

To refresh you on the subject the last thing you said was--
"Top players do not avoid infinites/locks/chains for reasons you think they do. If a top player avoids such a tactic, it is because they did use it and eventually discovered that it is not as powerful as it originally seemed. It has nothing to do with the reasoning you presented in your signature. Top players are top players because they do anything and everything to win.

Were you around during the Melee era? The top players used quite a few infinites/chains/locks. Wobbling, shine infinites, etc. were very common. In Brawl, it is not as much the case because top players are good at avoiding being caught in an infinite. It has nothing to do with your philosophy of 'rising above mediocrity'."

At this point I'm a little less than indifferent on the subject, but I've come to some sort of a conclusion, although I've yet to interpret it right.

After watching a few videos and some recent experiences, I've seen what you mean, although I wasn't blind to it before, that people would really do what it takes to win. And thats great and all, but what defines something as cheap?
Granted from what I've seen and heard if anything is labeled as cheap, then the accuser would be indefinitely labeled as a "scrub". But there are things that have been acknowledged as too cheap--or too broken, and therefore banned from tournaments.
Taking from one of your examples, wobbling, at first glance it seems pretty straight forward, and it is indeed what one would call cheap, or clear evidence of someone doing what it takes to win. I've also heard that this technique was banned for being, in a sense, overly effective, or "(too) cheap"
Then there's planking, from what I've been told was ledge stalling, I don't know what became of resolving the planking controversy, but I do know that stalling--in general--is banned as a rule of the SBR, but then what becomes of planking? From what I've seen, it's still perfectly legal, and is used quite alot in doubles. Then, following another example of yours, shine infinites, although this do require a learning curve to achieve--which may be why it is still considered legal from what I've seen--it is still hard to avoid once in, like wobbling.
Now, my question is who labels something as rightfully cheap? Yes the answer can be straightforward, but even with sound reasoning, if a nobody were to make a similar argument before the same result was decided by the SBR, then that poor person would be labeled a scrub, just on the general principle that he appropriately labeled a technique as cheap. On that note, why was wobbling banned, if several other elements remained of equal or similar effectiveness.
Again, not being in the SBR, on a possibility of the unknown, I can understand that these things underwent (I'm assuming) long and decisive debate of their overall potential and usefulness aside from their base usage and a decision was made based on that, but even so, how is that all too different from that one guy who complained about it beforehand?

My primary confusion/issue with the common scrub is that one a small technicality, it applies to everyone.
True a scrub through and through would have a much wider range of things that are to be called "cheap", but there will always be one thing that someone would think as unfair to the metagame, or there would be a personal preference of refraining to do a certain tactic--in a different context, setting up personal rules that limits their winning potential.
I've read M2K complain about ledge camping, although a legal tactic, is very much so considered unfair--or to not mince words, cheap--by him, at the same time, I've seen Plank in action, he spams Mach Tornado, beyond any proper adjective to perfectly emphasize how much he does so, yes it is effective, and some--or most would consider it a cheap tactic, but apparently he's won tournaments like this.
Now the spamming isn't the issue here, he's just, like you're saying, doing any-and-everything to win.
But why doesn't everyone else do this?
If the truly desire to win, and would do everything they have in their power to win, wouldn't the just do that? Plank proved quite well that mach tornado alone gains alot of merit at the tournament scene, yes there are ways around it, people have found them, and are looking for more, but this just makes it more viable to not be banned.
"Don't get hit"?
Surprisingly enough, people don't use this tactic, why?
Going off of your example, perhaps it's because they realized that this tactic isn't as effective as another that they can conjure up, this is a possibility, but the probability of this doesn't seem as plausible--only when looking at it from a theoretical perspective it might, but this tactic has proved to work.
People are getting smart and such shameless usage of it may not bode well, but it is an effective move none the less, this applies to any technique, people learn to avoid them a bit better.

But the question still remains, and it begs the answer.
Because maybe on a limb, they think it's too cheap?

I don't know, I can't get into their heads and find the answer, but alot of insight on the nature of a scrub as made me question alot.
Granted this doesn't make everyone a scrub, but the term is a bit shaky.

umm... yeah, what Linkwearsgreen said. thanks for your help!

The new Link finder: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225178

Your days are numbered.

Ah ok, I'll let him know. Thanks.

So, did you notify Shin at all or am I suppose to pass on a message to him from you? Just curious, thanks.

okay thank you. i will.

Hai there. as you know we're trying to rebuild the Link boards since almost everyone left and it would really help if you could unsticky the Link finder so we'll make a new one. thanks.

Ok, thanks anyway!

I appreciate the fact that you don't want to kill and eat me.

LOL

I also don't like the taste of tomatoes. The name stemmed from my love for Cowboy Bebop (Ed's computer is named TOMATO as its made from, initially, a box of tomatoes) and then my name Tom... followed by my constant name changing, and then at EpicMafia my name is tomato.

I know you get like 5 million unnecessary requests, and I'm only gonna ask once for your consideration, if it's no then it's no. May I get a custom title that says: "I'm a boy." or "Doin' it big." I mean you probably don't know me and stuff, but it's not to have an advantage over anyone of for coolness persay, just either to:

a) Clarify my gender (lol)
b) In all honesty it does look much better.

But once again your the man that can make it happen or not, thanks again!

double laggy post.

laggy post. aye.

Kadree. It would throw everybody off, lol.

BABY IZ ADMIN OVR U

Just passing on the message, Shin would like to know why he was banned even more (account got closed, PM box closed, pretty much everything closed) while he was already banned with 7 points.

In his words "he was banned......while he was already banned."

Hey.. can you change my name for me?
I would really appreciate it. Can you change it to Exce_L ?

That pic there of young link v. Ganon is totally GAR, I love that pose. Although the way he`s posing on the steps looks a bit precarious seeing how he`s kneeling.

Do you have any word Buzz?

EDIT: Sorry, if I'm bugging you.

you cant die if you post on the internet you dumb ****tard

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=6673621#post6673621

Sorry thats the right one

Could you take a look at my thread too and maybe sticky it.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthrea...=221969&page=1
I got a bit of criticism on wording and terms at first but its been updated, im starting to do each multi hit moves and KO moves. If this was stickied it would allow the whole process to go much faster. Il also be adding graphs(some are done i just cant post em on this computer ) to the guide.

Thank ya Buzz.

Ughhhh. I really don't wanna go to disputes, rather just get advice on it. :/

And it's definitely not you. Well, if it gets worse I'll go to disputes. Urgh.

Can I PM you about something and you actually reply? I don't wanna go other places with this, or go to disputes.

dude could you remove this infraction it's been almost a month and it somehow takes away some of my privileges.

for the record i 've never had a spam account anyway so the infraction should have never been given out in the 1st place

People fall at my feet when they see me coming!

How appropriate. You fight like a cow.

I'd make some kind of witty remark here but I have no idea how moderator/admin control panels/logs work so I'd probably be really really wrong so instead I'll just say: YOU'RE AN ADMIN, THERE IS NO ONE ABOVE YOU, LET THE POWER ABUSE FLOW LIKE SO MANY TEARS FROM THOSE SAWED IN HALF!!!!

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Don't worry, you can tell her I did it