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  • Your understanding of Cloud is solid but you're missing a few underrated key KO moves: Usmash and Dsmash. The latter is nerfed though still good and USmash is an incredibly strong anti-air/platform covering kill option. CCI and Cloud are impossible to discuss tho everyone just says nerf when they have an incredibly LIMITED UNDERSTANDING of the character and it bothers me.

    Blahblahblah.
    Shaya
    Shaya
    To me those two moves are strictly punishments/trapping responses and they're quite solid. You aren't really comboing into them though.
    I'm so used to seeing wifi clouds spot dodge down smash, and up smash is fantastic as an anti-air but I expect people scared of dying to almost never jump against Cloud.
    Shaya
    Shaya
    I guess I should relate that I'm mostly feeling the dynamic KO options vs the read KO options. Neither of those two moves can be really safe to use in a tight situation, while bair/dair/LCS and reactive dash attacks are.
    TTTTTsd
    TTTTTsd
    I understand what you're saying, esp. about the community. It's a mess. Nerf this, nerf that, they should change this, that, etc.

    A bunch of anecdotal nonsense, kinda glad the guys behind the patching seem to follow the Japanese meta more than....this.
    Popping in to say I found it hilarious that you mentioned Standard Deviation right after I took an exam on it irl.
    Shaya
    Shaya
    MATHS RUINS* EVERYTHING FOREVER!

    Mathematicians would agree 'ruin' in this context means something entirely opposite~
    I just realised I'm a couple months late to saying this but......welcome back xP!

    Better late than never I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Uhhh, Shaya. Could you explain where my double post was? I don't see where I committed this infraction unless I don't understand the ruling exactly. I only posted like 3 things and was responding to another person. I just wanna make sure what I did.
    Shaya
    Shaya
    you quoted, hit reply, then posted your reply in a separate post afterwards. I merged the two already.
    BOB R.O.B.
    BOB R.O.B.
    I think I recall doing something like that. Because I don't post much so I was a bit confused. Thank you for clarifying.
    I don't agree with all of ESAM's Corn MUs. Mostly Cloud, it's even at worst IMO, Cloud doesn't lose neutral soooo
    Good work on the Bayo discussion, the news I find very important to note and while i would rather not have a git gud argument to get out, I hope the news thread will be made anyway no matter how unavoidable arguments will be.
    Can you possibly add the {Meta} emblem next to the Bayo thread to make it seem like "official discussion"?
    Funbot28
    Funbot28
    Ok, thanks for keeping the thread sane btw :)
    Shaya
    Shaya
    To follow up on this, I thought this earlier but didn't inform you (my apologies) - I would rather not give an official tint to a discussion about banning something, especially when there is a poll involved. I hope you understand.
    Funbot28
    Funbot28
    True, but I just wanted to prove its legitimacy as certain areas are banning her as of now (Ex: Russia and Spain).
    Hey ,can't let ya take all the credit for predicting Mewtwo's future success! : )
    Shaya the Savage not even giving Mewtwo ONE night to relish his victory
    Shaya
    Shaya
    What? How?

    People are acting like Mewtwo isn't really really good because he's been buffed more than anyone else :p
    thehard
    thehard
    I'm just teasing. ;)

    I honestly think he fits most people's criteria for "top tier" now. F-air is actually insane. Just imagine it on... anybody else.

    Not that I mind him being amazing.
    Shaya
    Shaya
    ~

    Yeah there's a lot there for it.
    almost no one does! LOL

    But I suppose we let the greninjas get too hasty last time. Precaution precaution.
    Although regrets on the "man, Link with top 5 mobility would be so good" hysteria #_#
    Coincidentally right after I watched Leo eat Hyuga with Cloud (it was really scary) I read your post on how insane Cloud is =V.

    If Leo ever mains Cloud I think Mexico is literally decisively his. My god....
    Hey there Happy Easter Shaya have good one :) how have you been?
    Shaya
    Shaya
    Hey, thanks!
    Been pretty alright lately, always ups and downs though. Easter was pretty calming but it being this early in the year throws me off a bit, haha.
    Have you been well lately?
    Rage NF
    Rage NF
    You're Welcome Shaya and Glad to hear that Yes unfortunetly life is that way Something but the important thing in all this that we feel very good with energy to keep going and don't let anything negative thrown you out :) I been doing all right doing some stuff lately but OK thanks for asking Friend ^^
    Rage NF
    Rage NF
    say what do you think about the new patch? and what a nice Emblem Avatar that they put you there I really like it Happy Emblem Day Shaya :D
    Finally got around to following~. Feel like it's warranted, we've had good discussions and you and I both seem to contribute quality content (at least, I do when I try). In spite of my CCI self-hiatus atm I'm still interested in your posts =3.
    Hey dude, for clarification on the training mode thing, if something registers on the combo counter and a computer set to the maximum level, set to either run or attack is incapable of airdodging it (since as far as i know they have close to perfect reaction time when it comes to that), does that mean that it's reliable assuming no DI? Or am i missing something here?
    Molk
    Molk
    alright, Nair has 21 frames of endlag, and comes out on frame 7, so assuming i have 40 frames of hitstun to work with, as long as G&W could double jump and land the second nair within ~12 frames, it should be real?
    Shaya
    Shaya
    it can be.

    If you want a visual reference for how much knockback is the starting window for being able to airdodge early, check out lucas up throw on megaman at around 15%
    Molk
    Molk
    alright, thanks so much!
    You been warning people for post they'd usually get away with. Is there a change of heart? Are you following the rules more strictly?
    Shaya
    Shaya
    Gotta enforce standards.
    I had the 3 point rule brought in for a reason, and it not being applied enough while post quality often is terrible requires a pick up. It's also to help the rest of the people in the thread understand what's good/bad.
    Since I'm not posting in CCI I'll just drop it here: The Top 5 all beat each other and are generally way less oppressive towards the rest of the cast than most people think although they are still top tiers.

    You seem to be stating it too, this patch is wonderfully meta right now. No matter who's #1 they lose to someone (albeit not super hard, Cloud vs. Sheik is by no means unwinnable for Cloud)
    Can you believe they nerfed my worst matchup as a Cloud player harder than they nerfed my character? All they had to do was give Limit side-B a bit more endlag and he would've been viable but balanced.

    Oh well, guess we take those. We have a borked swordsman now so let's work on him together~. Do update me if you find anything magical or new.
    Shaya
    Shaya
    I seem to have this masochistic tendency for enjoying characters more when they get nerfed.
    Who knows, Cloud may be the best and brightest choice by far and there may not be too many regrets. We'll see... I like the shake up.
    TTTTTsd
    TTTTTsd
    Honestly I'm glad they nerfed FT because it was really dumb in Dubz haha. I just feel like all he needs is an endlag increase on Limit Side-B by a lil and he'd be fine. They seem to want to preserve his status as fast and strong and I'm glad they didn't gut him.

    Sheik on the other hand....
    TTTTTsd
    TTTTTsd
    Also Cloud's sour Uair is a little bit better for followups than before, only by a little. Negligible but fun. I wish they adjusted the hitlag on Sweetspot Uair though, it had more freeze and impact when it did 13% and I liked how crunchy it felt. 12% still feels SIMILAR but a bit weaker, like Falcon Uair when they nerfed it.
    Do you know why Nairo chose up throw at 5:45 here? http://youtu.be/g0yj7dwvDek Misinput or bait?

    Asking because you're on that ZSS thang
    Shaya
    Shaya
    ZSS doesn't have a good follow up from a grab at 0%. Up air isn't safe on hit or at the least cannot be combo'd out of.
    Maybe was purposeful for that reason. Otherwise who knows.
    Shaya
    Shaya
    sorry I didn't reply earlier.
    thehard
    thehard
    That's ok, appreciate it~
    Nobody can say Cloud isn't Top 10 now right? Right? I called it on Week 2 or Week 3 and not a lot of people believed me. Heh....
    TTTTTsd
    TTTTTsd
    I SEE! I'm glad you've warmed to him. I think M2K has taught me how Limit at low % is also a viable tactic (the damage building and setup) and Tweek has taught me how to be an asshole (that taunt was gross)
    Shaya
    Shaya
    Cloud's movement and maximising efficiency is fun and dynamic.

    Most swordies don't have that unfortunately. So Cloud's the best swordie for movement to practice.
    TTTTTsd
    TTTTTsd
    The CCI thread continues to wow and disappoint. I'm glad you're moderating it a bit but it's still not enough.....~
    Dang, you weren't lying about being ranked #1..
    That's cool.
    Shaya
    Shaya
    Hola =)
    Well, definitely not at the moment, I'm rusty/washed up and there is a new rankings out there.
    I'm trying to help my friend get into/get better at Smash 4 and he said that he likes how Roy feels but I'm not totally sure what tips to give him on the character. Do you know of any high-level Rot videos I could show him?
    Shaya
    Shaya
    Not particularly... no...

    There is a European Roy or two that the names of which slip my mind that from what I gather do well over there. Could probably find them through further research.
    One played and beat one of the best german foxes IIRC.
    Kofu
    Kofu
    That's a bummer but it's not entirely unexpected. A quick search brought up Sethlon, and while he isn't a top player, he's definitely better than average. If you think there's a European player then I may ask Gheb since he seems to be the best source for European results.
    Ffamran
    Ffamran
    *pops out of cardboard box* Neath? He's a French player from what I remember. Also, for other players, Neo and er... Sethlon... Neo for tech skill play and Sethlon for his match analyses.

    *hides back under cardboard box and lurks again*
    Shaya, Marth god, I want to ask you a Marth-related question. Since Marth's Dancing Blade has different animations for certain swing when used in midair (most notably Up 3), is there a way you could see if the hitboxes match wit h the sword? I currently don't have Smash 4 with me, so I can't test. Also, please check if this happens with Lucina and Roy.
    Shaya
    Shaya
    hmm, I was not too aware of the animations being that different, it could just be the way the sword trails travel and remain due to falling or rising in the air. Either way the hitboxes should still be attached to his sword like in all of his moves (just likely not at the start of the swing).
    GunBlaze
    GunBlaze
    Yeah, I mean, Aerial Down 3 is pretty much Melee's, while Aerial Up 3 is Brawl's. And sometimes I just flat-out miss even when in contact.
    You're probably the last person I'm gonna ask this question because, aside from Thinkaman, you're the only other person that says smart stuff.
    Shaya
    Shaya
    2 would be hard to truly imagine and would speed up the game, but feasibly make some high speed multi hitters infuriating to deal with at mid/low level (wifi and whatever), but I don't care about them. Chars like Rosa would become a bit more bogus, but it also would increase the emphasis of angling one's shield during attacks.
    Shaya
    Shaya
    Jiggs, Marth and other shield breakers would become a lot more scarier in pressure situations; a few hits on shield over the course of a second or two and you're now unable to shield with impunity.
    I think it would be crazy/hype, but maybe actually bad still.
    Shaya
    Shaya
    Oh, but if 1 included ledge options, maybe I'd be down :p
    Hey Shaya, I was reading one of your posts on Marth's future and lack of potential, and saw you bring up Roy. Do you feel Roy still has potential, and is perhaps still underrated in contrast to where he's placed in the tier list? If so, what kind of untapped potential do you feel he has?
    Shaya
    Shaya
    He's probably in a fair spot overall (some think he should be lower due to the perceived results). The aerial landing buffs is significant to him due to how fast his jumps are more so than most characters who get them.
    Shaya
    Shaya
    Difficult match ups may still be difficult and that does hamper my ability to tout significantly more strength than where he roughly fits.

    But there's a lot of areas of Roy not focused on that existed for Marth in prior games (and this one) and optimal implementations of game play are no where near what they could be.
    I'm so ****ing stupid. Ugh, Shaya, I'm really sorry for bothering you so much. I just really want some friends, that's all. I was thinking that maybe we could talk on Skype about our day and bond a little.
    :)
    If you're not single though, we could work something out.
    Shaya
    Shaya
    This was your fabled opening I know. I'm especially difficult to bond with lately though.
    Haiii There Shaya I give You 9 out of 10 for a Cute Avatar that You got There Shaya Well Made :)
    I think I've said this before, but I'm so glad you're back.
    Reading what you have to say about all the sword characters always makes me see them in a new light that I haven't realized was even there. Going over the last three pages of the Marth Social that I've missed have been a real treat.
    *has loud spit take

    you're alive?

    EDIT: Man, was I late to the welcome back party
    Shaya
    Shaya
    Hopefully!
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    Well I hope whatever problems you've had the last couple of months are behind you. I know personal matters can be a pain.
    I'm so ****ing stupid. Ugh, Shaya, I'm really sorry for bothering you so much. I just really want some friends, that's all. I was thinking that maybe we could talk on Skype about our day and bond a little.
    :)
    If you're not single though, we could work something out.
    What happened bro?
    Shaya
    Shaya
    Health issues and Family/Personal dramas which were not mutually exclusive, to keep it brief. I'm not really sure the best way to paint a full picture publicly without panicking over it. Thanks for asking =)
    Baby_Sneak
    Baby_Sneak
    Geez, crazy world we live in. Man, w/e happens, don't you dare let it beat you up, Don't let it take away your peace of mind. You've got to find peace in all things and know that all things work out for greater good. And keep smiling my man, God bless.
    Welcome back. I missed you and your insights. Hope all is well - bring the thunder back to CCI when you can.
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