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  • tell your friend that if he really wants to play Greninja as his secondary then he should be fine. They have great synergy in terms of match up coverage. Techncally though, someone like Cloud could do the job better.
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    I'll let him know, thanks. He was also considering Lucario and Diddy.
    fug I know everyone gonna play M2 now but he does Wii Fit better than Wii Fit
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    plus, Mewtwo's steep learning curve will scare off a majority of the bandwagoners anyway
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    They won't last. Unless they do, but I doubt it. They won't like dying at 65% lol
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    Abadango makes Mewtwo look a lot easier than it is. I was thinking the same thing Nobie posted after Abadango won.
    Gengar is so good
    ARISTOS
    ARISTOS
    Yeah he has a lot of nasty mixups, whenever I feel I have a read on a Gengar I get tricked up and lose 1/3 of my health.

    Hard to hate though, the characters in the game show tons of character and it's awesome
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    yeah every character seems to have that special touch to them, really lets players play how they want.
    ARISTOS
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    Yeah def. Have really only played Blaziken so far, loving being able to just put insane amounts of pressure and sweeping games right from under people is just so nice
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    someone knows basic Latin lol
    Took 3 years of Latin, plus it's a DQ9 reference. perfect tag 4 me
    You...main greninja now?

    YES! My propaganda worked!
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    I won't quit till you're a greninja main! :^)
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    yoo that lickitung kind of reminds me of greninja tho lol
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    that's the point, he's trying to be Greninja with the tongue scarf lol
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    boop~
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    C0rvus
    What is the meaning of this? I have done nothing to deserve such kindness. Thank you, now I can change my account name to mt actual tag!
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    BECAUSE I LIKE CEREAL

    rip rice krispies
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    dammit I forgot about that. just gotta wait 30 days now
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    Get on Discord more you moob
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    My b. Maybe after class.
    Bruh, picking a main in Pokken is super hard!
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    I thought I was sold on Gengar and Garchomp but I've been trying everyone. Chandy also seems cool.
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    Garchomp, skeptile, lucario, weavile, mewtwo.....

    I'm kinda glad Greninja isn't in the game, then it'd be impossible.
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    I'm disagreeing with Palutena in bottom 5
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    Thanks. I still am not understanding what people see in Roy honestly. His complete lack of results doesn't help him either.
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    Poor design + no results = definitely mid tier????
    Never saw anything in him myself, but I recall Shaya having good things to say. Though this was before 1.1.4 gave Marth a new lease on life.
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    Pretty much. He'll always be inferior to Marth and other swordsmen in the game by design alone. What's the point of being a swordfighter when you can't space effectively and have to basically fight up close to get the most optimal results?
    How can Ganon be in your bottom anything at this point tho? The buffs he's gotten are literally at a base level all he needs to be competent.

    Yes, the jab really is that serious. Even outside of the other things. Having a move he can just throw out is UNBELIEVABLY GOOD for conditioning.
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    I'm on the (relative) Ganon hype train. Hah.
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    He DOES seem much more cohesive now. That can't really be said for the characters in my bottom 5.
    NairWizard
    NairWizard
    top-level Ganon is pretty terrifying

    I really need to learn how to tech Flame Choke on short characters
    Me: Think I'm done with Greninja. Won't play Mewtwo either. Patch: Oh hey there
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    There might be, but I'm honestly all over the roster still.

    I also think Mewtwo may be more my style, but you know.
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    I'm just glad sheik aint a pain
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    amen to that
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    I feel you on the main struggle. I'm still sticking with Cloud but I'm struggling who I want to use beside him. Olimar has been really molding with me lately, especially since most peeps in Florida seem to have an Olimar.
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    I'm currently only working on 3 characters (Corrin, Diddy, Rosa) but there's like a constant pull to other characters. Some day, man.
    Time to get good
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    I know you were joking fam lol it's all good. So was I.
    Mewtwo is legit scary. I mean, Dabuz says he's even with Rosa. Pretty nifty.
    A character with such strong footsies and consistent kill power, good recovery, reflector/command grab, etc. can't be bad.
    NairWizard
    NairWizard
    mewtwo's a better marth
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    The whole "let Luma be an annoying meat shield" tactic just doesn't cut it with Mewtwo, lol. He's really good at killing Luma, and Rosa is very susceptible to Mewtwo's kill setups. But the slightest bit of greed can really put him down some. Definitely one of my more fun MUs as Mewtwo Ironically
    I want to fight the feeling that this game is dying, but I still don't have a main. About to just give up tbh.
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    I can see this doing wonders for my mentality and game knowledge. Thanks for the advice!
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    Just one thing; you think I should play Sheik forever, or just to refine my skills and get a deeper understanding of the game, so that I can make a more informed character choice?
    NairWizard
    NairWizard
    Play Sheik until you feel that your fundamentals are so good that you can afford a skill regression to another character

    I was high-level with Pikachu, dropped to mid-levelish when I switched off and climbing back up rapidly again
    I'm gonna ask something blatantly offensive: Why was Luigi problematic? I genuinely want to know what Luigi did that made him a metagame problem. Was he consistently knocking out better players despite those using him not being good that frequently?

    I've just only seen this mentality when it comes to Smash 4, honestly.
    NairWizard
    NairWizard
    Luigi was a problem because he had unwinnable matchups vs. characters like Fox and Pikachu, so it's just overall better game balance. The ideal fighting game has 50:50s all across the cast. While you won't get there, ever, in practice, you can get closer and closer, and the patches did that
    NairWizard
    NairWizard
    For instance there's nothing beneficial about the Ness vs. Rosalina matchup being as bad as it is, and probably Rosa's down-b should just not be able to absorb Ness' up-b in certain situations.
    NairWizard
    NairWizard
    It sucks when you put hundreds of hours into maining a character like Ness, labbing him, practicing, then you go to a tournament to show what you're made of and lose first round to someone whose character just happens to mess you up.
    I'm glad people see what I see when I play Cloud but.....the best DLC? Is this truly possible?

    I have to wonder....though I do see it as a possibility to some extent, the holes in his gameplan while more obvious than say, Bayonetta's, seem to protrude less.
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    It all opens up once you realize just how oppressive his movements and range is. Then you dig into Limit as a mechanic and it kind of writes itself.
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    To be completely honest, I'm glad we have at least 1 busted sword character. It just doesn't feel like a Smash game without one.
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    It isn't right without one, I agree. It's tradition.
    pro tip, Bayonetta has a kill confirm
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    She has several, if I recall. Still figuring out how to do them :U
    NairWizard
    NairWizard
    all you need is d-tilt -> b-air

    you need to buffer dash for the b-air, but no one uses it yet, letting you in on the secret lol
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    Cool, I was just labbing falling up air to back air, and it combos from mid percent into death. What a silly character. Love it.
    If you treat girls like your mains you'd be an awful boyfriend.
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    I DO feel like I'm getting closer each time. I think eventually will just have to arbitrarily choose, but I've been doing a lot of learning lately, so I'm extra scatterbrained.
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    Hey, I'll be your wing man, and help you pick up......... characters

    :^)
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    Be my guest. I've even begun making a spread sheet at this point. I don't even.
    Anyone able to recommend Pac Man? I keep having this itch to play him but he's really hard. At least his bug, dumb smile keeps me chill.
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    I suppose I could play Wii Fit Trainer again, too. There are too many characters in this game :/
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    I feel you. I struggle to find a main in PM. =/
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    I only struggle so hard in games I focus on. I know I want to play Lucario in PM, but I rarely play PM anymore. Life is annoying like that haha.
    All I want for my birthday is a main~
    C0rvus
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    my brother is actually a Dedede main so I've had it up to here with that character
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    He's not even frustrating to fight if you know the MU lol. He's the easiest character in the game to lame out.

    but real talk, hope you find your main soon. You're having the M2K dillemma he had before Cloud came out lol
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    trying out some new-ish dudes. I think at some point I just have to arbitrarily decide. In the meantime, I'm working extra hard on improving my mental game, which applies to every character. Here's hoping.
    I approve of your mains
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    I was heavily considering playing a Pokemon at my local tonight, but my Toon Link needs work pretty badly :/
    20 years though! I feel like an old man, especially since I'm like 5 days younger than the series
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    why u flodgin'? you haven't been mainin' the pokemon squad since 64.....

    boi pls :^)
    Hey you should go to the Game Underground tournaments in Natick, MA for me, and win! Unless you already do, in which case, never mind!
    Asdioh
    Asdioh
    Yeah! I guess! When I lived in MA I went to the GU tournaments, and some RI tournaments. Good competition there.
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    I bet. Almost went to Smash on the Hill, and that week Pugwest, Marss, and a bunch of other top level talent showed up. NE has some very good competition indeed.
    Asdioh
    Asdioh
    Yeah, those players are what I'm used to, lol. Be prepared for Craftis' Sonic as well, and maybe Koolaid, if he comes.
    belka's pretty great tbh
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    Some of the changes are pretty lame, that version of Effie sounds much better, that's too bad. Beruka gets showed up immediately by Camilla lol, you get 2 wyvern riders but Camilla is better.
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    I guess since the US version gets no petting, the Japanese version has that statistical advantage.
    Lavani
    Lavani
    Yeah, it's a little sad. My Belka is mostly on par with my Camilla, except her speed and res are both markedly worse. Maybe that'll change after promoting her, but for prepromotes the royal family seems pretty solid.

    The US version still has the feature and benefits of inviting units to your room I think, just the actual petting portion gets skipped.
    I had no idea you play a lot of the characters :o
    I've always gone out of my way to learn most of the cast because I'm enjoy learning different playstyles and am a tad indecisive about what character really 'clicks' with me XD
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    All I can say with certainty is that I tend to play defensively. Aside from that I bounce all over the cast until tournament day makes me decide.
    DblCrest
    DblCrest
    Ah I see I haven't found a particular character to really stick with on Smash 4.
    I think I enjoy a playstyle that really rewards you for scoring hit confirms so I've really loved playing as Cloud and Bayo. Kirby is a real menace when he gets in but he has a tough doing that for me .
    Cloud does well vs. Bayo in neutral.

    Also guns are great for charging cause if she shoots you you get free Limit LOL.
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    Yeah Limit is a really dumb mechanic that basically ensures Cloud never loses a matchup more than 6:4 at most IMO. Since you passively gain it AND you can charge it. Basically it's like WAY BETTER Waft.
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    He does seem very reliant on it to secure kills, but that isn't too bad because of how easily he can get it. I need to work on not wasting Limit on random hard reads :x
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    The best way to do this IMO is abuse how scared people are of Limit. Choking is a very real thing and Cloud can thrive heavily on it because people ARE scared of Cloud in Limit mode.
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    are you rice krispies
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    i was making a joke since your name is cracklin oats

    and rice krispies make a crackling sound when in milk

    wow i just explained my own terrible joke
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    D'oh I'm too serious haha. Sounded like a legit tag to me. Might actually run with it lol.
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    DO IT
    People gotta SLOW TF DOWN ABOUT BAYO in that thread! I'm aware she's damn good and can win tournaments though, that's for sure =3.
    The truth is ZSS boost kick stuff IS kinda overrated except nobody DIs it right and/or they get hit by more than 2 Uairs (after 2 Uairs if you get platform chased that's your mistake). Trifroze did this huge video on it that I recommend checking out. (I've exited the new CCI thread again because it's turning into the same old **** again. That took long!)
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    FWIW I do think MK is a top tier, but his neutral is weaker than even ZSS. I do wish the thread would go "Oh, let's lab a solution." or "Here's a resource for proper DI!" and end the issue.
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    Err, top tier as in top 10 character. Not the best wording. Top 5 at best.
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    Pfff, effort! You expect a lot! The only deviations are rare, it's usually one side going "Well it's not a problem" and the other going "Well IT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE". The former is less annoying because it occurs less overall.
    "I will say he looks faster than I expected" Not to be that guy but did you really think he'd be THAT slow?...

    He still looks pretty slow movement wise though, lol. I'll give him a shake though, I promised someone. He looks ok/10 but nothing outstanding like Cloud but of course, we'll have to see on Wednesday.
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    I like to keep my hopes low, and as an ex-Robin main I can handle low speed. Anything better is a grateful upgrade to me haha.
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    lol true enough
    I'm not sure if I'd use the term Melee Fox (I was hoping nobody would tag me but it's ok, you had justified intentions). This community has disappointed me for the last time on here lol, PROBABLY not going back in there ever until the Feb patch if it does anything. Kudos and good luck with your maining one million chars =P
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    Starting to look like a YouTube comments section. That's when you gotta get out of there haha.
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    "And then, you get outta there!"

    Indeed. I look forward to labbing Corrin with Raziek as well, I committed myself to trying that out. Only labbing though cause if Cloud is untouched/not killed I'm sticking him out.
    C0rvus
    C0rvus
    Sounds like a good time. I know I'll be all over Corrin when he comes out. Maybe we'll meet again on the Corrin boards.
    you main Zard now? suuuuuuure let's see how long you last till you switch again >:^)
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    It's likely a passing phase as is every character I try. But he's fun and nobody reps him, so I've been putting some time into him. If he does better than Toon Link against certain characters, I might keep him.
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