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A lot of NES Smash Bros. versions I see seem somewhat unrealistic. Go figure. If you were to actually make a functional version of that, look at Konami Wai Wai World, the NES version of TMNT Tournament Fighters, and that Double Dragon fighting mode. Wouldn’t be surprised if you just had 4, maybe 5, 6 at most, playable characters. And at least one would be a palette swap (Luigi, probably). A pretty good roster that represents the NES, but isn’t 100% beholden to the limitations, is the MUGEN project Famicom Fighters. If you’ve never heard of it, check it out.

Based on Wario X3’s post from the other day about the various companies splitting off to make their own platform fighters, here’s a Namco-Bandai platform fighter roster! Probably some flawed choicing and exclusions, but I dunno. I’ll definitely say JRPGs and similar stuff are not my area of expertise. I think a Dark Souls boss or Elden Ring character as playable could be neat, but I don’t know enough there, either.

Yet another roster. The rule here is one per company, and none of them are originally from fighting games. Also Melee-sized because I didn't want to over-extend it, I guess.

Company buyouts make this trickier. Wowie.

I would actually not mind this as a Smash roster, small as it is. Maybe as a starting roster, at least. Or it might work better as its own thing. I like the art, though. https://www.deviantart.com/schalternate/art/Arcade-Stars-Showdown-Character-Select-354672717

Here’s something that is potentially helpful to to creation threads, but is probably just a weird thought experiment.

Equivalent to Mario, Pac-Man, and Mr. Game & Watch for other mediums.
Mario = largely successful character in the medium, not the first, but is still successful in some form.
Pac-Man = one of the first big successes in the medium, almost as iconic as the “Mario”, but not as commonly used.
Mr. Game & Watch = stylistically different, out of left field for a fighting game, not the first character you might think of, but very evocative of a much earlier time in the medium.


You can tell I have uncertainty on some choices, but it was interesting to think about.

Aside from that April Fool, you ain't getting rid of that frog/toad. I like them too much.

I consider Smash fangames/mods to have different priorities for who they add than actual Smash. There are some obvious/recurring ones for both veterans and newcomers, but you don't have to include every veteran necessarily, for one thing. If I had the full skills/a team to make one, it'd be a lot like the Smash of Another Universe thread in terms of the overall roster, though it may have slightly more of the veterans if it was explicitly labelled "Smash Bros." Also the non-VG character(s) probably would be Tony Hawk, Darth Vader, Spider-Man, James Bond, or someone else like that before Goku. Wowie.

I'm glad I'm Reptar today.

Looking over all the content so far for Pop Culture Clash, the most satisfying area so far for me seems to be the stages.

Here's my Amalgam Comics Thread nowww
It'll probably be slower going than Pop Culture Clash, but still.

For those who want, I have made this! https://discord.gg/kXVFav4m A Discord server for Pop Culture Clash! I hope it is fun and useful in some way.

A version of a new roster for a TMNT Tournament Fighters sequel. https://docs.google.com/document/d/11XQB0mmyH9j4lG_hSzOILOAKyKoJBwRmFKr3ySECIw4/edit This became bigger than I thought, though there’s also a shortened roster at the end. There’s still some odd choices and probably missing characters, but who knows?

Every character in The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny should be represented in Pop Culture Clash in some way. I’ll find a way, somehow. Except Benito Mussolini, we don’t really need that. Yeaaaa…

Another fighting game idea: Public Versus Domain. Marvel/Tatsunoko VS CAPCOM style fighter comprised of public domain characters. Do it with cel-shaded 3D or CPS2-styled sprites, could be a good indie game among other retro-style revivals. Or a creation thread, you can have this for free, I only really want to run Pop Culture Clash for the time being.

I have a checklist of characters I think should fill out the overall representation rosters (eight of each category) in Pop Culture Clash, but do not let that intimidate you from your stranger submissions. Keep those coming (if you're so inclined)!

Sorry if I only occasionally contribute to other creation threads. My attention is divided between life, other communities I’m in, some YouTube stuff, things like that. Don’t worry too much, though.

Aside from Pop Culture Clash’s concept as a fighting game, I’ve also thought of, along similar lines, a pop culture racing game and an RTS war game sort of thing with various bad guys and their armies (mostly video games, but you could include, like, the FOOT Clan, the Empire, etc.). Maybe if I do another game creation thread, it’ll be one of those. Then again, I kind of fell off of my Nintendo/Smash Cinematic Universe one. Eep. Regardless, does anything else work with the “Pop Culture Clash” sort of idea? Party game that mixes different board game types? Sports mix? Who knows?

What do these two characters have in common?

Could a platform fighter work with a very gritty, violent, not as cartoony aesthetic? Or like, 80's/90's horror type stuff, which is still somewhat cartoony, just a different kind. M-Rated platform fighter. Yea

For a wider video game roster, would it be best to add the duo from Double Dragon, River City Ransom, or River City Girls?

Cool, but potentially unfeasible idea for a fan game, in a similar vein to Super Mario Crossover, Super Clash Bros., and Mushroom Kingdom Fusion (if you haven't heard of them, go check those out): a 2D platformer/sidescroller game that's partially an engine for adding in characters, levels, power-ups (perhaps specific to certain stages), etc. but also comes in with a decent baseline of content to play with from the get-go. Make the engine for adding content readily available and very accessible, similar to what Fraymakers is doing. You can also put in multiplayer, and possibly a side VS mode that's similar to Super Clash Bros. where you can duke it out with various mechanically different characters on smaller maps. Perhaps this is thinking too pie-in-the-sky, especially given, again, I can't program and can barely sprite.

An alternate universe Smash Bros. under the premise that it started as a multi-console collaboration in the year 1999. Incredibly implausible, and some choices are wonky and mildly biased (that's pretty much Carmen Sandiego, at the very least), but here you can see something like that: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15jmsmusXNBsaQxJrhtKHZwGB14S14_DRn4xGmhtdjOk/edit?usp=sharing

It would not devalue Smash to do Nintendo VS CAPCOM or Nintendo Kart or whatever any more than, like, Marvel and DC characters in Fortnite or the LEGO Marvel/DC games would devalue Marvel VS CAPCOM, Injustice, or a Marvel VS DC movie/game or what-have-you.

People vehemently against the Mario Kart Crossroads rumor when Snoopy's Silly Tennis: Chapter 11 adds Garfield and one of the Far Side cows in and not Woodstock's 37th cousin and the kid who sits five rows to the left behind Peppermint Patty and Franklin

The idea of Nintendo Kart happening poisoned our water supply, burnt our crops, and delivered a plague upon our houses. I can’t believe it, you guys.

The Super Mario Bros. 2 that the West got is 100% a better, more interesting game than Lost Levels, and I'm glad it basically lived on more. Alrighty.

My potentially unpopular opinion is that I’m fine with Mario Kart turning into a general Nintendo crossover precisely because I do not expect them to do anything interesting with a solely Mario-focused roster any more or pull out any interesting deep cuts from that series. That said, sure, a Goomba should get in eventually.

CAPCOM VS SNK, Puyo Puyo Tetris, Battletoads & Double Dragon, Street Fighter X Tekken, Crash and Spyro, that DOOM mod that includes Duke Nukem, Quake guy, and Chex Man, Mario & Sonic...at the Olympics...what other genre-definers or long-running rivals crossing together can I think of, ranging from somewhat sensible to nonsensical?

-Street Fighter VS Mortal Kombat. General aesthetic hovers somewhere around Fist of the North Star, Berserk, Hellsing, etc. Gameplay is fast and hits hard. There is blood sometimes, but not necessarily fatalities rather than massive, ridiculous super moves that can also be brutal.
-Mario & Sonic as an actual platformer where both's different mechanics and level design types come into play, giving you multiple ways to play through the game. Main playable characters are Mario, Luigi, Sonic, and Tails, though you can also unlock either Peach, Wario, Donkey Kong, Knuckles, Amy Rose, Blaze, and, for some reason, Alex Kidd and an updated Zelda 2-esque Link.
-Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. It's not a board game. But instead it's uhhh. Dang, I dunno how to make this substantially different enough from both to warrant it being a crossover. That'd mostly be in the plot forcing heroes from different dimensions, yada yada yada...
-Metal Slug and Contra. Pretty simple run and gun that allows the use of power-ups from both series. Also has both the tank segments and the back-view hallway segments. DLC gives you Gunstar Heroes and Ikari Warriors somehow.
-Resident Evil and Silent Hill. Umbrella decides to unleash the T-Virus into Silent Hill, creating who knows what. Your characters are sent in to deal with all that.
-NBA Jam and Tony Hawk's Pro Skater. Basketball on skateboards. Do tricks for extra points. Also has a lot of ridiculous guest characters.
-Tomb Raider and Uncharted. They're both competing for the same treasure, you can take two story-paths, one for Lara, one for Nathan. Seems pretty simple.
-God of War and Devil May Cry and Bayonetta. They're all forced to team up to take on literal Satan. Because less people will object to that than literal God.
-Carmen Sandiego and Mavis Beacon. Carmen steals the written word and you have to type it all up again to recover it.
Alright, I'm running on fumes now. You can probably think of more, as well.

If I did a Smash fangame (I can barely do sprites and I can't code, plus other projects/things in life, so not happening any time soon), I probably would heavily focus it in some way, rather than just making "another Smash fangame", so to speak. I'd probably either make it a version that is heavily focused on the "gaming history" aspect, or make it a crossover with a slightly copyright dodging acronym name, like NVC, NVS, NVD, NVW, NVN, etc. What are all those? You can guess, I suppose. NVS could be like three things, at least.

This pretty much echoes a sentiment someone else had, but I like that in the MultiVersus subforum, I can look at three threads in a row and it's like: Popeye, Eric Andre, Kuroyukihime, or Homura Akemi, Tony Soprano, Shao Kahn, or Gilligan, Citizen Kane, Mung Daal.

Semi-plausible AU Smash based mostly on considered characters and some rumors. Sorry, no James Bond this time. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6lRUOkZt2VWF4k_ttWi6iMBHDOJSD0-6-2iJGaNr9Q/edit

Marvel fought CAPCOM, DC fought Mortal Kombat/Warner Games/Midway (next Injustice game can throw in Rampage monsters, Sinistar, a Knight on an Ostrich, etc., sure), the Ninja Turtles fought uhh Rabbids and Nickelodeon. Sure. What other "comic company VS a video gamer company/series" thing could there be?

Image Comics, I'd place up against either Namco-Bandai, due to preexisting crossovers (Negan in Tekken 7, Spawn in Soul Calibur 2), or ArcSys, given Guilty Gear feels like edgy 90's anime stuff of a sort and that'd match well with Spawn and Battle Chasers, at least. I'd kind of like to see those characters, Savage Dragon, Witchblade, the Darkness, Invincible, Shadowhawk, etc. filtered through that flashy anime style. I guess a version of that for Witchblade sort of exists already. Huh.

Dark Horse Comics feels like it has a dark edge to it with things like Hellboy, the Mask (in the original comics), Ghost, Grendel, Concrete, etc., but has a different sort of vibe to it than what you'd think of for Image's 90's output. It's apparently owned by a video game company now? They own...Gearbox and THQ, I guess. I have not much clue here. The only things I sort of know from Gearbox are Borderlands and Duke Nukem, I think? Duke probably fits pretty well in the Image roster, unless you remember Barb Wire. I guess if I were to go with one, I'd pick Namco if Image takes ArcSys. Usagi Yojimbo kind of fits alongside the likes of Yoshimitsu and Taki, I suppose. Then again, both Image and Dark Horse have a bunch of characters that kind of switch around from publisher to publisher, mostly because they both have a "creator owns the character" policy, for the most part. That's an over-simplification, and they sometimes have their own issues, to say the least, but it's at least a bit better than Marvel and DC's policies. Anyways...

Perhaps the true way to represent this and do an indie spiritual successor to Marvel VS CAPCOM is to take whoever ends up in Fraymakers/games like Fraymakers and pit them up against whoever you can get from this: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/war-of-the-independents/4050-45034/ MVC-type game with the Tick, Gumby, and SCUD the Disposable Assassin VS Shovel Knight, Commander Video, and OctoDad? Sure, why not?

IDW is mostly licenses, BOOM Studios is mostly licenses, I am doubting either will do big crossover games with all of those licenses, as tempting as Optimus Prime VS Sonic VS Judge Dredd or RoboCop VS Power Rangers VS John McClane sounds. Not really much coherent here. Hasbro VS someone, sure. Judge Dredd/RoboCop crossover? Makes sense. SEGA VS Archie, since they have a past together? Most of Archie's roster by itself is humans (who sometimes get involved with weird things, don't get me wrong), a witch, and a bunch of superheroes you've never heard of. So it's either mostly non-combatants or mostly obscurities. Your mileage may vary.

Scott Pilgrim had a successful enough video game, some even like it a bit more than the comic or movie (I think all three are pretty alright). Maybe they can cross over with River City Girls/Ransom, which is owned by...ArcSys. Go figure.

Type-Moon VS King Features Syndicate. Apparently licensing for Popeye costs very little. I'm just throwing random things against the wall now. But a comic strip characters fighting game would be fun. Garfield's probably not gonna be in it, though, because he's busy. He crossed over with Cuphead, as well, sort of. Maybe King Features VS Microsoft instead? The fight we've all been waiting to see: the Phantom VS Voodoo Vince. Certainly.

I don't exactly know where I'm going with all this. A new TMNT fighter would be neat. Maybe just do that, and later on the Street Sharks, Battletoads, etc. can be guest DLC.

None of this is likely, I realize. Don't worry about it.

I might like some Smash mods more than the regular Smash games sometimes. Or at least watching them. I have played Project M before, though. It was pretty good.

I want to psychically will every character that’s at least 50 years old into the public domain, with basically no exception. 40 or 30, if I’m really feeling something that day.

Phase 1 of an 80's Cartoon Cinematic Universe, including whatever and loosely being based on the MCU

ThunderCats would be very early Phase 2, MASK and She-Ra spin-off from GI Joe and He-Man, TMNT and Voltron eventually come in. A lot of other obscure/semi-obscure stuff to mess around with. Wondering if Danger Mouse, Count Duckula, and Banana Man would be too ridiculous to include or if Inspector Gadget and this whole thing already are ridiculous.

I hope to eventually get Star Trek into Pop Culture Clash, but I dunno how many people these days are as into Star Trek. But we shall see.

I'm mildly disappointed when Ashley movesets don't have her turn people into spoons.

Sonic roster selections that add Shadow or even Silver before Eggman are foolish.

Thanks for the follow!

I have half-baked versions of popular fictional universes somewhat written out in scattered notes. The TL;DR is a Marvel and DC where characters are allowed to age, most of their crossover material exists more regularly in their universes (not Marvel and DC being the same world, but, like, Marvel has Godzilla, the Transformers, select Disney properties, etc. as a regular feature, DC has He-Man, various Cartoon Network/Hanna-Barbera/other WB properties, etc.), a Smash universe that tries its best not to be a cluster**** and involves everything in Smash and every other video game I can connect into it, a horror universe, and a TMNT/Power Rangers/Image Comics universe that also includes some other wacky stuff and is basically a super 80's/90's world that sometimes runs into the 2000's.