ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[#HBC | J]

Also, it wasn't even an ultimatum but it's interesting to note you took it as one.
In addition if we assume Mac is the last of the mafia, why would he be so eager for my idea to go through ?

Stop with the wording that you think you are catching me in a slip. It's rather obtuse and annoying me.

Anyone can fake eagerness, just like anyone can fake emotion. Hello? You are talking to the king of AtE here, that should be a no-brainer.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I don't think theres any benefit whatsoever to assuming a 10.2.1 team over a 10.3.1 team. Not really sure why we even need to have this line of convo

@rake lol i'm not actually down with that plan cuz things like that silly in general...

i'd still do it tho

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Ryu only became "confirmed" after WATT's CC though, which means your WATT read should be a lot stronger leaning towards town, plus, we could have reasonably ended up lynching WATT had RYu not reacted so badly, Ryu's reaction sealed it but had it been different we could have been in a very different place

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Stop with the wording that you think you are catching me in a slip. It's rather obtuse and annoying me.

Anyone can fake eagerness, just like anyone can fake emotion. Hello? You are talking to the king of AtE here, that should be a no-brainer.

My wording doesn't imply that yet, but it's interesting that your concerned to be caught slipping

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

And IMO NL + Ryu makes more sense than WATT + Ryu , but thats not what im interested in

 

[#HBC | J]

Rake, my patience is very very thin with you and if you wish to continue to question me, I would drop the snark. I still have not forgiven you but am playing civil for the sake of the game. The reason I am talking to you is that you are a town-read of mine and an investigative one at that.

Answer me this, I flip town: Who dies next?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I'm not going to be selfish and say "Yeah **** ya'll lynch me because of my reads I have and my flip will proof it!" because if I am wrong we just throw our advantage of 2 back-to-back scum-lynches to that of two back-to-back town lynches.

Me dying first is of course a big deal because here's the thing: I am not confirmed scum like Ryu and Joey were. And the other fact is unlike the other two, I am not scum and actually town.

These tow things are one in the same though you worded it like two separate ideas.

"I'm not confirmed scum like Ryu and Joey were" implies initially that you felt the need to distance yourself from Ryu + Joey, and that because your assumed scumminess hasn't been totally proven you want to take a step back from being even associated with the scummier side.

But then your second part ". And the other fact is unlike the other two, I am not scum and actually town " reads almost like an after thought, like you had to add it for your own benefit even though you could have just said "I'm not scum like Joey + Ryu were"

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I'm not trying to be snark, I'm questioning your wording, there is a difference.
I feel like as a townie you shouldn't be analyzing your own play to avoid being caught slipping and even if my wordage did imply that I had felt I had caught you in a slip, your reaction "Stop with the wording that you think you are catching me in a slip " almost directly implies you're trying to avoid being viewed as scummy / slipping which I feel shouldn't be a concern of yours as a perspective townie

 

[Moira]

I really need to be posting on Moira, sorry.

The second line is false. It does not imply that I felt the need to distance myself. Also if I was mafia, why would I need to distance myself from Joey? He was an independent faction.

Also if it was an after-thought and truly thought that way, I would have just backspaced my first line. I felt the need for all what needs to be said in there.

 

[Moira]

I'm not trying to be snark, I'm questioning your wording, there is a difference.
I feel like as a townie you shouldn't be analyzing your own play to avoid being caught slipping and even if my wordage did imply that I had felt I had caught you in a slip, your reaction "Stop with the wording that you think you are catching me in a slip " almost directly implies you're trying to avoid being viewed as scummy / slipping which I feel shouldn't be a concern of yours as a perspective townie

I haven't been trying to analyze my own play and actually look for scum. You are questioning on my own play so therefore I have to talk about it. You cannot have it both ways.

Of course I am trying to avoid being viewed as scummy, any towny should. I would also like to go on record saying the "stop" line is me trying to get you to shut up because your avenue you are going down is a bad one and reachy.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Also, it's fine you haven't forgiven me , I realize what you thought I meant , but you misunderstood me, I do apologize if I offended Sang but the fact you misinterpreted what I meant isn't something I can fix.

As an aside, I think after your perspective town flip I'd obviously take another look at Macman because i don't see this interaction between you two as TvT yet and I'm not sure I will at any point. After that I'd look back over No lynhc. Thta slot has been nothing but hydra dissonance, absenteeism and Zen crazyness, and im not comfortable with them as a town read at all

 

[Moira]

How are No Lynch and Ryu linked together based on early D1?

@Ashemu : Can respond here too since she posted early D1 about NL+Ryu being early scum-partners.

 

[Moira]

I accept your apology and will be back to that lovable J, but seriously your tunneling of me is not going to win the game.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I am just being thorough, also I'm not trying to tunnel you, I'm trying to understand your perspective because I don't agree with your reads as of yet

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Actually, on that thought, what makes you think NL can't be scum ?
Is it specifically because you can't see him with Ryu or is there more too it ?

 

[Moira]

If I was truly scum, there are so many different avenues I would have taken this game.

The fact that I did not bus Ryu should be incredibly telling at this point. I am not afraid to bus my partners and actually am quite fond of doing such. I mean there are a lot of meta points that do not agree with my slot being scum but then there is Sang who has done pretty much 50% of the posting as well.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I ask because when I was scum with Zen, his tendencies as i recall tended to be avoidance of his scum mates and all, and when people posed scum teams in FE&A, they always pointed to how he was scummy in senses, but they couldn't see him fitting with anyone so they passed it off as Zen stuff which is a gut feeling I got day 1

 

[#HBC | Mac]

The fact that I did not bus Ryu should be incredibly telling at this point. I am not afraid to bus my partners and actually am quite fond of doing such. I mean there are a lot of meta points that do not agree with my slot being scum but then there is Sang who has done pretty much 50% of the posting as well.

false

especially considering the fact that it seems like ryu was being set up for a watcher clear

 

[Moira]

Actually, on that thought, what makes you think NL can't be scum ?
Is it specifically because you can't see him with Ryu or is there more too it ?

Yes, and also the fact that Soup's outburst seems more like butthurt town and I feel I still have a good grasp on my ZenMeta to be able to read him. Me and him have been playing for years and just really are in-sync. I do not see their massive SoupaZen post as something they would do as scum. I also feel the dissonance is not faked but rather town. Also I know this is bad/OoG reasoning, but I would also hate to see them flip scum after Soup trying to do the replace switcheroo because that just goes against my mafia ethics and have more faith in him as a mafia player to not resort to such ill methods to win a game.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@Wots All This Then? you been lurkin, got any thoughts to share?

 

[Moira]

false

especially considering the fact that it seems like ryu was being set up for a watcher clear

Quiet you, that's not even close to true. I was pretty much the only one pushing WATT besides NL/Rockin. Ashy came in saying "I want Ryu>WATT" Gorf was that way, Rake was already on there and so was Ranmaru.

 

[Moira]

Oh and then of course WATT's vote on Ryu and then your vote on him.

So yeah, no quit trying to say that Ryu was being set up for the watcher clear. Especially considering the atmosphere of the thread at the time and the way the votes were piling up.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

just to reiterate

And WATT has 5 votes.

So effectively as of this post:

Red Ryu (4) - WATT, Gheb, Rake, Ranmaru
WATT (5) - Moira, No Lynch, Joey, Rockin, Red Ryu
Not voting either candidate - Gorf, Circus, Ashemu, Macman

Yeah, looking at the wagons and the votes, I am still much more content with the WATT wagon. I'm about to give Sang a call shortly and we are gonna discuss this game a bit.

Macman, get your vote on WATT already and stop being such a ****-tease. Now's the time to man up and make a decision between the wagons.

i'm picking ryu

So you are choosing to join a wagon with 3 of your scum-suspects?

You are definitely going to have to explain the rational behind that.

(everyone should read the posts between ryu claiming and him getting hammered)

 

[Moira]

You keep bringing those posts up, but I honestly do not get why. I still think your vote was hypocritical to your reads and hop-on at the time.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I think it's very likely that he was being set up for the watcher clear/obvtownie which is the only sensible reason for ryu claiming so early...

i could be wrong though

this doesn't help convince me otherwise:

@ #HBC | Mac
@No Lynch
@Zack Fair

Wake up and get in here. We have a decision to make on which of Ruy/WATT is going first. (although tbh, it doesn't really matter too too much but I would rather just get the scummer out of the way and have a clear)

 

[Moira]

So Macman, you are assuming everyone who was on the Red Ryu wagon was town? There was not a soul who would try to bus him and get some town-cred on his lynch?

I find that incredibly hard to ascertain as your reasoning.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

You keep bringing those posts up, but I honestly do not get why. I still think your vote was hypocritical to your reads and hop-on at the time.

Because you have the vote count in the first post I'm quoting. It shows that a time when both you and I made our lynch decisions, the WATT lynch had more support than ryu's (barely though, but still). And then despite that I choose the Ryu lynch which I think reflects very well on me

 

[Moira]

Just like you are assuming everyone on the Joey wagon toDay was town. (mainly because the three more leaning inactive slots *Us/NL/Rockin* couldn't really vote before yet another quick-hammer occurred)

 

[Moira]

Because you have the vote count in the first post I'm quoting. It shows that a time when both you and I made our lynch decisions, the WATT lynch had more support than ryu's (barely though, but still). And then despite that I choose the Ryu lynch which I think reflects very well on me

Uhm, pardon me but I think oppositely. Out of all the votes on his wagon, you are the most likely candidate to be the busser of Ryu.

Why do you keep trying to relate everything back to you in your push against me? This is like the upteenth time where you keep saying "Damn I look good here" or "This reflects well on me." I mean yeah, sure Ashy does it but the thing is you are just saying these types of things to say them.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

So Macman, you are assuming everyone who was on the Red Ryu wagon was town? There was not a soul who would try to bus him and get some town-cred on his lynch?

I find that incredibly hard to ascertain as your reasoning.

nope

though i think it's highly likely that everyone who was on the Ryu wagon before he claimed watcher, is town.

Just like you are assuming everyone on the Joey wagon toDay was town. (mainly because the three more leaning inactive slots *Us/NL/Rockin* couldn't really vote before yet another quick-hammer occurred)

nope

I think ppl advocating WATT's lynch today are suspect

 

[Moira]

Macman, if your last line is true, than by that logic Ashy should be a suspect of yours consdering she has wanted WATT dead as much as me/Sang have.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Uhm, pardon me but I think oppositely. Out of all the votes on his wagon, you are the most likely candidate to be the busser of Ryu.

Why do you keep trying to relate everything back to you in your push against me? This is like the upteenth time where you keep saying "Damn I look good here" or "This reflects well on me." I mean yeah, sure Ashy does it but the thing is you are just saying these types of things to say them.

lol what are you talking about, this is like the only scenario where I've done this (though i've rehashed it multiple times and I'm trying to get you to agree that it does look ****ing amazing on my part)

most of my case against you has been real ass **** that you don't feel like responding to

 

[Moira]

ugh look at this sexy *** vote by this ***** right here.
voting ryu despit having watt higher on the lynch list earlier.
despite the watt / ryu wagon being pretty equivalent with more heat on WATT. It'd be 98497x easier to go along with the WATT lynch if i was Ryu's partner and we were tryna get a ryu watcher clear

Just saying. Also would like to say I did respond to you in that rather large post so I do not know what you are talking about "not responding" I have been here talking to you for over on hour or so...sooo........?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Macman, if your last line is true, than by that logic Ashy should be a suspect of yours consdering she has wanted WATT dead as much as me/Sang have.

true and I did consider the possibility of AshScum earlier toDay, but i don't think there's much merit in it...
not nearly as bad as you or Rockin, especially paired with the fact that neither of you was on Ryu's wagon before he claimed, while Ashemu was

 

[Moira]

Yeah, but you are not bringing up the fact of Ashy waffled heavily on Ryu vs. WATT and was beginning to look more at WATT based on his flavor claim>Ryu. So what do you make of that then?

 

[Moira]

Anyways, I am heading out. I have had a long day and running on an hour of sleep after midnight launch and opening at work this morning so I am a tad cranky.

So I guess this is bye till toMorrow.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

why i think you haven't been responding:

All my points about your connection to Ryu, how you criticized ppl for being on his wagon, heavily pushed the opposing wagon, etc... all you've see with regards to that is "well those things aren't scummy"

I brought up the fact that your reread seemed like it was sposed paint me in a scummy light from the get go (as shown my your pretty ridiculous logic for thinking i'm scumming in my first few posts), you don't respond to that.

I've asked you how you see a WATT / Ryu connection earlier, and you don't really know.

I been wondering how my having bad reads are indicative of me being scum, you don't really go further in depth about it.

I'm tryna figure out how I'm painting you in a scummy light or how I've been misinterpreting what you're saying, and you don't go into detail

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Yeah, but you are not bringing up the fact of Ashy waffled heavily on Ryu vs. WATT and was beginning to look more at WATT based on his flavor claim>Ryu. So what do you make of that then?

that's true, ashemu did hop off the ryu wagon. I hadn't considered that at all

idk the flavor reasoning could have had merit and I don't blame them for trying to look into it. (though scumhunting based on flavor is lame af).

Anyways, I am heading out. I have had a long day and running on an hour of sleep after midnight launch and opening at work this morning so I am a tad cranky.

So I guess this is bye till toMorrow.

pce b ez

 

[#HBC | J]

I actually have answers to your second to last post, Mac. I just need to recharge.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Guys my life is a joke.. All I did all day was look at a ****in mafia thread and watched workaholics