ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[Circus]

I think Rake and Watt should both be on the same person (me or moira). That way it will make things less muddy tomorrow. You guys should decide which one of us it's going to be on.

Even a smart idea sounds shady when you offer yourself as an investigative target.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

yea, i think they should choose who to target between those two (FOLLOW YOUR HEARTS GUYS)

NL, what's the idea between both targeting just one person? just in case of godfather, or a lying WATT / rake?

 

[No Lynch]

Rules out godfather and/or ninja.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I follow my own path nerd

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Plus why would I lissten to someone i just said Id be down to lynch.
If anything imma do the exact opposite.
But maybe that's just what you want...

 

[No Lynch]

The one in front of me is poison.

 

[Warchamp7]

Searching sucks / is broken with the new version of Smashboards, makes it much harder to do ISO. @ Warchamp7 step it up! (you guys should bust out ElasticSearch)

Should be working fine

 

[No Lynch]

Real talk it's simply the most practical for you guys to converge. Gorf is the only one who should go random.

 

[Circus]

Rules out godfather and/or ninja.

I'm assuming lynching Joey will take care of our ninja problem. If all of our PRs are town, then the mafia team will likely only have a counter to the cop if anything.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Should be working fine

sup

earlier today i searched for posts by @ Dooms in this thread, and only 1 result was returned. I just tried it again, and only 6 results were returned

could be user error but yea

 

[No Lynch]

Defs could be more than one ninja since the game revolves around tracker peeps.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

sup

earlier today i searched for posts by @ Dooms in this thread, and only 1 result was returned. I just tried it again, and only 6 results were returned

could be user error but yea

I'm having a similar issue. It seems like it's only pulling up posts from today

 

[Circus]

Defs could be more than one ninja since the game revolves around tracker peeps.

Two counters to the tracker and no counter to the cop?

 

[No Lynch]

@ Warchamp7 happening for me as well. might just be this thread.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Its entirely possible my sanities could be ****ed with or theres a godfather/ninja combo. But who knows as of this point

 

[No Lynch]

Two counters to the tracker and no counter to the cop?

tracker, watcher, veuyer

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

warchamp posts in this thread. Half life 3 confirmed

 

[No Lynch]

Its entirely possible my sanities could be ****ed with or theres a godfather/ninja combo. But who knows as of this point

Which is why converging is the absolute best way to go. We are ahead in the game, and we may as well keep it that way. I suppose there's no point in discussing it though, because even if Rake agreed he wouldn't really follow through.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Why not just ask if your sane

 

[Dooms]

Because mods totally confirm sanity : D

 

[Wots All This Then?]

What joey said. We were told he couldnt give us an answer when we got our pm

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Which is a yes

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

if you're not told your not sane, and the mod won't confirm or deny it, that's as good as admitting sanity

 

[#HBC | Mac]

rake wtf r u talking about

 

[Wots All This Then?]

If anything that leans towards not being sane but whatever

 

[Ashemu]

well u can scan me and if u get a guilty then youre insane.

 

[Circus]

tracker, watcher, veuyer

???

 

[Dooms]

well u can scan me and if u get a guilty then youre insane.

Hahahahaha

Yeah, you're better off not trying to outguess the mod with your sanity imo. Let the results speak for themselves.

 

[No Lynch]

???

There's three tracker roles: tracker, watcher, voyeur. 1 was scum so far. If we assume the other two are town, it's safe to say that it's possible there is another scum role to deal with them. Joey was immune to being copped and was safe guarded against tracker roles. So clearly none of the town/scum PRs were meant to catch him. I'm not saying that it is the case, but I'm saying that it is possible that there is a mafia ninja. I don't know why, it just seems kind of weak to me for there to be only 2 mafia + the indy. Or maybe it just feels like that since we've lynched scum both days in a row. Regardless, we should still consider that there is a third mafia. Watcher + Janitor + Unknown. Ninja for the unknown makes sense to me. It would explain why Ruy felt safe claiming watcher. Having a ninja partner, he would know that there was tracker out there to complement his claim.

 

[#HBC | J]

At the midnight release (hype watch dogs hype) and checked the thread since Sang told me we were right on Joey being scum.

You won't be lynching us toMorrow, just saying haha. We aren't scum but we welcome all PRs on us to see what happens.

Anywho yay back to back scum lynches. This game is pretty much over.

 

[Circus]

There's three tracker roles: tracker, watcher, voyeur. 1 was scum so far. If we assume the other two are town, it's safe to say that it's possible there is another scum role to deal with them. Joey was immune to being copped and was safe guarded against tracker roles. So clearly none of the town/scum PRs were meant to catch him. I'm not saying that it is the case, but I'm saying that it is possible that there is a mafia ninja. I don't know why, it just seems kind of weak to me for there to be only 2 mafia + the indy. Or maybe it just feels like that since we've lynched scum both days in a row. Regardless, we should still consider that there is a third mafia. Watcher + Janitor + Unknown. Ninja for the unknown makes sense to me. It would explain why Ruy felt safe claiming watcher. Having a ninja partner, he would know that there was tracker out there to complement his claim.

I've assumed from the beginning there's a third mafioso. But even so, assuming all of the PRs revealed so far are town (not necessarily true, but starting there), then the third mafioso is very likely to be something that counters cop. They seem to have no roleblocker. It would take the ballsiest scum team in the world to see WATT claim on D1 and not shoot him when he could wreck your whole team, especially with one member already down.

If WATT is for realsies, then scum absolutely must have an answer for cop in their arsenal. The tracker is less threatening simply because he can only catch scum if he follows one to a body. If you're going to account for just one role, it's gotta be the cop.

 

[Circus]

I guess all I'm saying is, if we see a Mafia Ninja flip, I'm officially, absolutely going to tie a noose with WATT's name on it.

 

[Moira]

Please, me and WATT saw Moria long ago. (yesterday)

Just saying, you are going to look like a fool post-game. Same with WATT.

Macman, hop off bro. Your reasoning for us not being so dead-set on Ryu is garbage especially with how scummy/anti-town WATT has been playing this entire game. It's completely unfair to say "herp derp, Moira is scum because they weren't on the RyuLynch". No where did we defend Ryu and no where did we try and stop his wagon. We encouraged the opposing wagon and pushed who we thought was scum. Point?

Regardless, this will all be sorted toMorrow, but here's the thing. I am telling Sang to take a break because she needs a relieve from mafia for a bit because of the heatedness and I've calmed down to a cooled head to actually play. The thing is, I want there to be a wagon/push on my slot because it will attribute to finding the final scum. (I still believe 10.2.1>10.3.1 because that would seem lobsided with scum having a Jan+Watcher and then Ninja Abductor)

Plus with Rake not being Indy, he is town in my book and therefore Gorf is cleared town as well. I will be PoE'ing the game later and actually may just do it now since I am here, but I need to log into Moira to do so. (Nevermind, just decided to switch over since I was done on my main account/this post was getting to long to be on my solo>hydra).

With certain information I posses due to my reads/etc., I feel one of the PRs is lying still. I highly doubt Gorf/Rake, Ashy has been playing town as hell all damn game so yeah no, and then there is WATT who I think is the biggest candidate to lie. I am going to re-read the rest of the players (Macman/Circus/No Lynch/Rockin/Ranmaru) and come to some final(ish) conclusions, but this is the point in games where I really shine and that's finding the final scum-candidate.

First impressions, I highly doubt Circus/No Lynch being scum. Circus was only an indy candidate>mafia candidate and with Joey gone, then I'm done with him in terms of reading on a first glance. No Lynch I feel is town especially with Soup's outbursts in hindsight and the fact that I have a very good grasp on reading Zen, if he flips town I will be shocked and sad at a decision I made with Sang. Ranmaru, Rockin, and Macman less than the previous two so I would consider those my nulls. M

Plus, I'm J, I always have a card up my sleeve at times like these. I was incredibly serious in the comment I made where I said the game is over because I feel it is. If town drops the ball on this game, it would be an absolute shock after nailing back to back scum. (Then again, lol Flavorless almost doing that, but different games/different scenarios)

I have work in 5 hours but 1 large coffe and a monster means I doubt I will be sleeping much. I'll see how far I can get into a re-read before I pass-out/twilight ends.

 

[Moira]

Oh here are some of Sang's notes on her Joey ISO:

[collapse=Joey ISO Notes]
Joey ISO:

He RVS votes RR, and then there's some general joking between him, RR, and WATT (doubting them as a 3-man scum team, honestly). On page two, already on page 2 (77-78), he's defending Ryu because "this is what he does every day" which I believe I agreed with. With his 86, I honestly think he might be white-knighting RR, saying that his questions might be useful to him. It seems like he was overlooking what other people were saying. Nothing scummy yet. He seems to have no scum reads, it seems, and hasn't actively done anything to try to gain reads. He says that he finds one post from Ashemu scummy but doesn't specify which one and doesn't talk about it more. I guess it makes sense for not pointing it out, but why even bring it up, then?

His 201 feels weird because it seems like he's trying to get on Ashy for the things that he was doing, like he's specifically trying to get focus on her without really any pressure at all. IDK. His 201 just feels weird in general. In his 281 it feels like all he's talking about are people scumreading other people, including himself scumreading Ran, because of opportunistic voting. It seemed like a lot of "let me make it seem like I'm doing things" and I haven't once seen him actively pushing a scumread of his yet. This was more of a defense of Ashy than a push on Ran. IDK. Weird. He votes Ran finally in 368 because "there are less votes on him" and because it's apparently the only direction he sees that he wants to push. So, he found Ashy scummy, then he defended Ashy, then he found Ran scummy and (looking further ahead), he then finds Ran town. I just...???

He asks why people aren't voting Ran, but doesn't do anything more to explain why he thinks people should vote for Ran. His 478 says that he's made a push on Ran, but I literally do not know where he actually pushed Ran. He may have explained his push, but that was literally not a push at all. He's hiding behind that one small thing that he did. That post is finally where it makes it seem like he's actually pushing Ran and not just voting him like others were.

Hmm... I kind of like what he's saying in 483, at least with regard to the difference between Ashy voting and Ran voting where Ashy gave a good reason but Ran didn't, but at the same time it seems like Joey did the same thing earlier.

492: It seems like this one is just a response to a case that Ran made on Joey. So, this could either be TvT, SvT, or SvS, since we don't know what Ran is. At this point, they're bothing pushing each other, and it finally seems like Joey is doing something. Literally one paragraph is him explaining why he ignored Ran's (terrible) case on NL during RVS-era. He's asking that people ignore RVS? Okay Joey. Watevs. Another paragraph is him saying that he pretty much only voted Ran because Mac told him he needed to vote somebody even though he didn't want because he didn't want to put Ran at L-2? And then it just seems like he's saying he expected Ran to respond regardless of tagging him or not. And I think he keeps calling things RVS which I'm almost certain we were past RVS when Ran made the case on NL. And he finds it weird that Ran pushed NL and called NL scummy because of how they responded to Ran, wchi seems like something that is commonly done? And then he apologizes for not reading as he thinks he should.

Ummmmm 504 before the unvote just seems like such heavy ****ing backpedaling and it seems like such bull**** that I can't even wrap my head around it. You need to review that one. And then he's heavily defending Ryu. I don't get this post at all.

In 581 he has 6 town reads, including Ran. I just? And he likes Gheb for his push on WATT even though it wasn't really a push?? And then he randomly says Gorf and WATT are his scum reads? I'm sensing a theme that him thinking people are scummy his him defending his towny reads. That might just be me though. This is still not really a push.

The beginning of his 710 seems like very circular logic and I just can't really handle it. This post just seems a lot like defending himself and attempting to make it seem like he's apologizing (or taking full responsibility) for not doing more to push people, but he's done that before and I think only after that did he actually start to push people.[/collapse]

My notes pretty heavily co-incide with this. In collapse tags because it's a wall from her and no point in taking it out of them since lol Joey is confirmed scum and would just be beating a dead-horse. But putting this out there to say Sang has been doing pretty good in terms of reads thus far.

 

[Moira]

One question @ Ashemu and @ Circus

One of you is about to get hit with a shovel, who gets hit and why? (This question will become more relevant at a later date) If you don't get it, then humor me with just an answer/name between the two of you. It's a question I learned from one of my psychological classes and would truly help me figure something out.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Mfw when J goes full hubris and busts out a bunch of notes to feel good about being right

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

*about Sang being right with em

 

[Moira]

*cough* Those were Sang's notes dumb*** *cough*

 

[Moira]

Ya know what, don't have to talk to you haha. Going to go back to re-reading.

 

[Moira]

Ryu, whatever you're doing, please stop doing it right now. I don't want to have to lynch you and have you flip town because you think it's a good idea to make a bunch of vacuous statements and post a bunch of mundane questions that go nowhere.

Makes me believe that Soup actually felt Ryu could be TownRyu derping and provides a disconnection between the two slots being related. Ashy's initial vote also provides a similar disconnection now with the knowledge that RyuScum was the end-result. +Points for both slots.

This isn't a good sign, I am already starting to skim Ran's posts because I don't want to read them again haha.

Ryu vs. No Lynch back and forth banter looks good for Soup. +Points for No Lynch again especially when talking about Ryu's tone towards him.

Simply put, I think you are trying to sling mud onto WATT for a weak reason. You don't really have much reason to discredit him from joining your push, and it seems you are trying to force one. To me, him joining you on J would be better since nothing was happening with his Gheb vote. You also say him bringing up Mac/Gheb makes no sense when it does, and especially when he gives the reasoning and you don't even acknowledge it. It would be understandable if he had reasons to hold him back yet he still went on with voting J, but there was none strong enough. (Since his vote was RVS) You also have stated that it was weird that he moved on to J while having stated that Gheb OMGUSED him. Do you think an OMGUS is good enough to stay on a vote when a seperate wagon is forming up for pressure?

Vote: No Lynch

Dislike this from Ranmaru. He chooses to side against No Lynch after the Ryu vs. No Lynch debacle which makes it seem like he is trying to help get pressure off his buddy from Ashy/No Lynch so somewhat of a chainsaw defense here. Could see Ran just derping and choosing to look at No Lynch because of the way he likes to be the "hipster reader" of people and go for anything unpopular and push it but this is something to note. His "serious" reasoning on No Lynch is actually complete garbage. Based on his reasoning, he presents that Gheb is OMGUS'ing WATT but decides to put no pressure on him, why? We will get an answer toMorrow it seems when Ran is back in the game.

Vote: No Lynch (hydra)

scummy.

I don't like how he addressed me rereading his first comment to me. And his continuing posting back at me is making me feel worse about the slot.

Definitely leaning townNL even harder now. He's looking so damn hard now. Ryu's push back on him doesn't feel like SvS and seems more of SvT where Ryu is the scum trying to discredit the main person pushing him at this juncture.

Starting to Skim the spree of Ashy/Gorf/No Lynch because of all being town-reads. Seems original gut read on Gorf was right and I derped and moved him down for bad non-gut reasoning. Gorf is cleared at this point in the game by Rake so I am just reading interactions others make around him as him being town. I wish he would go back to posting like he did in the early phases of the game>sheeping Mac. May be blinded by swag. Mac hasn't posted yet so need to see more.

Soup asking Zen about me phone-reading = lurking reads as towny trying to get a better read on a slot he can't read well. Wish him and Zen would stop talking to each other in thread. It's fine to reference the other head, but to have actual conversations kind of suck.

Skipping Soup outburst, my god my inner perv was showing so hard early in the game. I have to bring that out more. And other things....

Alright.

Unvote Vote: Ashemu

Ashemu vote here was bad and 0% justification.

However, I am realizing something. The only way Ranmaru can be mafia is if my theory of 10.2.1. is disproven. So yeah Ran may just be town who is having terrible reads/justification/being a hipster so Ranmaru is more than likely town till the game doesn't end after lynching the final scum. @ Circus : You think the scum-team could be 3>2 so can you talk to me about Ran?

If I had to pick a name right now?
Probably one of gheb/joey out of who has posted. Dislike the fact rake hasnt posted due to his natural town style but hes probs busy irl.

Decides to actively ignore the NL vs. Ryu debate and chooses to pitch his tent on a fence-sitty Gheb/Joey feel. Gheb has flipped town so -points there and Joey flipped Indy which doesn't help WATT for disconnections for scum-team.

lol No Lynch wagon is pretty awful

ashemu is one of the only ones saying anything sensible thus far
vote: watt gross player slot right there

also equally as down to *** gheb outta here

this makes me go ??? since you just called out the wagon im on as being bad. whats your opinion of my vote there?

gorf, thoughts on nls reactions to moira?

agreed with Ran not getting off with a town read, definitely another scummy slot. esp with his: *let's push NL for silly af reasons, and then push obvtown ashemu for joining the NL wagon for actually sensible reasons*

would be down to join a ran wagon

This series of posts is telling to me. Macman comes in and says the NL wagon is awful, but says Ashy is the only thing being sensible? This makes no sense considering Ashy, at the time, was leading the NL wagon. Mac also makes no appearance to mention Ryu throughout any of this which is a head-turner because of a couple reasons:

1.) He says the NL wagon is awful, therefore by the notion, he should logically find Ryu scummier.
2.) Why would he buddy Ashemu if he finds the NL wagon awful?
3.) Mac says he is equally alright to "**** gheb outta here" or would be "down to join a Ran wagon" considering my train of thought, this would mean Mac has wanted to push all town slots at this juncture and ignore Ryu.
4.) He never states why Ashy is obvtown and just keeps on throwing out arbritrary reads with no backing.

what is gheb being gheb? if you mean only piping up when ppl mention him and not really adding anything to the table is gheb's meta then clearly dude is a lot worse at mafia then i remembered

on rake, his string of posts were pretty useless for me and i didn't really feel em at all, though i don't know why they felt off putting. he did the whole *post as he reads the thread* thing - but i do that on a regular basis. in order to get a better grasp on him i wanna see him get out of catchup mode and actively do ****

tho i think i saw a contradiction in his posts somewhere, actually lemme see if i can find it

First off, Macman hops off of Ran because of "NL's meta" but when our slot says that Gheb is just being Gheb, Macman becomes stubborn and continues to push it. The re-read will bring more of this to light, but with Gheb's death I feel Macman is more likely looking grottier with the incessant tunneling on Gheb for almost mirror like reasoning for him dropping/town-reading Ran. Then his "contradiction" on Rake is funny considering Rake being town:

ebwopin it

rake why did you like ashemu's post here when the rest of your posts were agreeing with the crappy case on NL?

He literally asks the same question Ashy asked him and turned it back around on him as an apparant "valid line of questioning". Seems like bull to me. Why is he questioning Rake on something he, exactly, did himself?

What happened there was me seeing nl questioning about voting J and I wondered why him in specific. With that in mind I went and picked two names that would fit into the grouping. Tldr I wanted to qiestion nl and had to fit the question in some way to evoke on j specifically

Unvote vote ryu

Again, with the information present on Ryu being scum and Rake more than likely being town, this vote is god awful. WATT is basically just voting Ryu to please a townRake and get some good non-chalant vote on Ryu. Said it before so this is jut repeating ourselves, but detest the vote here.

Rockin comes off as genuine town not knowing what to do or where to go. Does not seem malcious so tiny points go his way. If he is acting, then wow I am a bit impressed.

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Alright these are my notes from pg. 1/2-10.

Updated Reads:

Can live:

Gorf/Rake (lol)
Ashy/No Lynch
Rockin
Ranmaru

Can die:
Macman/WATT

Going to head into the next 10 pgs. now.