ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[ranmaru]

I'm really tired.

@ #HBC | Mac @ Ashemu @ Moira

Interested in what you guys think of this case.

 

[ranmaru]

I'm definitely going to sleep. Night dgames.

 

[ranmaru]

One more thing before I go. Ashemu, on a personal note, I have a hard time leaving the thread once I become super invested. I will be leaving now though, I just linger a bit and just randomly do get off. You seem to be present alot so I guess you got alot of time on your hand and you are invested as much as I am.

Anyways I'm out. For real. Seriously.

 

[Ashemu]

i dont really see or agree with the case, i dont have specific issues with it, just "ehhh ok but i dont think hes scum"

i also think that if im wrong on nl theyll become really really obvious as the game goes on

 

[Moira]

I love being able to be tagged. It's such a foreign thing to me.

Going to be reading jumbo wall, but I feel I am going to be sighing and him-hawing.

 

[Moira]

Ranmaru, hun, we are not lynching WATT based on "Policy Lynching". Get out of here with that bologna.

or I'll make you eat mine.

 

[Ashemu]

You seem to be present alot so I guess you got alot of time on your hand and you are invested as much as I am.

yea thats a nice way of saying i have no life

Spoiler: not mafia-related

I got out of hs senior year early via the california high school proficiency exam so when I'm at home I'm free to loaf around playing mafia until I start college later this year. there's still a lot of productive **** i should be doing instead of mafia but i'm a master procrastinator lol

 

[Moira]

Ashy, you gotta stop taking things so harshly. He added himself in there so I doubt he was trying to say you have no life.

Smile, girl/guy/whatever, not everyone is mean.

 

[Ashemu]

oh i didnt actually take it that way i was just being snarky

 

[Moira]

W.r.t. Ranmaru's case:

Translation: Ranmaru is more than likely town, but I do not want to read anymore of his cases. I am seriously just calling that strike 3 for listening because it is really over the top. Dude, it's D1 and not LyLo. The fact that the case has fundamental flaws and just stretching makes me inherently disagree with it. The fact that I have No Lynch as town is just another nail in the coffin.

 

[Moira]

oh i didnt actually take it that way i was just being snarky

Seems you are just a cheeky one.

Or a butt.

Or a cheeky butt.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Don't have plans withs the girl tonight will get to this.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Apparently im at l1.
Dont lynch. Lemme get **** out after getting back from the schoolhouse about 430 5 ish est

 

[No Lynch]

Unvote Vote: No Lynch (Hydra)

:eyeroll:

You have the biggest ****ing complex with us this game Ran, I open my hand up and you instantly take it back as if you think I have some kind of wicked ulterior motive to actually work with you, then you force out a bunch of crappy wall over-analyzed cases that you know what? I am going to break down this case because you're being stupid and playing this game like a moron. All hurt intended.

 

[No Lynch]

Ran I Love You, But You're Bringing Me Down

I still think this reasoning is solid. I can see why Ashemu feels it isn't enough, since it was early game. I am bringing it up as it is part of their whole play. I think Joey had a dislike for me saying that Soup 'does that' as scum, and I can say, that he has avoided logic when his logic (as scum) when his logic isn't sound. Again, I'll reference BIM mafia, where he explodes purposely to avoid talking about his faulty logic, which would show fake town intent. Now I also have talked about Soup leveling with me as town and not exploding purposely. This I can refer to Necromafia. Right after he explained himself, we found each other to be town. Again, that's the type of Soup I love to see. Anyways, I'd go and bring examples but I'm currently working on this long as case first. I promise to bring references after this though.

You are condemning me for something that was stated in RVS, something that would not have enough context or weight here as much you want to think that I had some sort of mastermind plan to call WATT weird. It was a feeling. I've told you this many times. Furthermore, stop reading our heads individually and filtering what you like and don't like about them according to which head is posting at the time. Stop it. We're a Hydra. We are both as important and both as relevant as the other. Furthermore, you need to throw this idea of 'Well soup wouldn't do this!!!' out of the window because I feel you're holding me to previous play and trying to determine that just because you had it right before, means that clearly, without considering what I'm saying in real-time instead of holding me to a previous standard gets you riled up into thinking I'm scum.

- Soup tries to force an issue with Watt, when there is none.
- He accuses of WATT not making sense when it does and he has given the explanation in his #35.
- He doesn't acknowledge the reasoning, and instead tells him to not worry about it.
- Never answered my question.
- Tries to justify WATT's vote is weird by saying there is enough to garner from RVS.

1st point: Yeah man, goddamn me for showing interest in someone's behavior in RVS right? Lmao this is so ****ing stupid like seriously this post gives me a headache because NEARLY EVERYONE IN THE GAME HAS TOLD YOU THAT YOU'RE WRONG like seriously holy **** your persistence with such a bloody fickle detail is mind-numbingly ********.

2nd point: Ran, my behavior in RVS isn't always meant to be completely truthful. Have you ever heard of reaction testing? Maybe? No? Well, I think you should get famililar with that word and re-read everything what I was doing in that RVS, because that was the whole purpose. Why do you think I was pushing a J agenda? To see how people would react to it, to get a feeling if people would simply incline or give some other reasoning as to why they don't. Do you know who got caught up in all that? WATT himself. What conclusion did I make out of his reaction? That it was weird. That I didn't like it. That I didn't like him just going 'lol okay vote J' and dropping what I felt was something going on with Gheb. There you go. That's my explanation and I'm not changing no matter how hard you look at it.

3rd point: Your question is ****ing stupid and I'm not going to entertain you by trading walls, this will be the only time I will do this. You're probably not going to like hearing that because you want me to work things out on your terms.

4th point: What the hell are you trying to say with this point? Talk to any DGames veteran and they will tell you that RVS is just as important as any other phase, and for ****s sake, even if it wasn't, why do you have such a bother with how I did things in RVS?

Instead he calls me obvious town to relieve the pressure from me. (that sounds so gay lol) I can't have a solid read on him solely from this, so I wait to be able to read his whole play, which I am doing now. I wasn't relieved with his response here, as it is not protown to leave me hanging here. I still have unanswered questions about him trying to justify WATT having a weird vote even though it was simply an rvs vote.

Ran, why do I want to bother want to get in with this with you when I tell you explicitly that I think you're over-thinking. I was trying to re-assure and tell you exactly that. I gain nothing from trading walls from you. Do you remember Pulp Fiction? Do you? Remember when I spent half of the game fighting with you to the point at any interval and how unproductive and useless it was? This is how I feel right now. I gain nothing explaining something so miniscule to you, and even then I tried to appeal to you and tell you why I said it was weird, but no. no. That's not enough. Not for ran, every post I make has to be a giant wall with a ton of over elaborated examples as to why what WATT was doing in RVS was weird.

Not enough voting, obviously. I think he played it safer than he could have (such as voting Ryu) Not really telling, but it does contribute to him not really doing much to find scum.

There was no point to continue to pressure J's slot for RVS purposes, when I felt that the game was moving out of RVS, thus I unvoted. There's nothing more to it. Next stupid question.

Red: He admits that he can't actually answer the issues brought against him. This is why he wouldn't talk about the issues, but instead gave me a full obvtownran pass when everyone else was obviously questioning it. (mac, gorf, ash, joey, gheb, in that order near early game)
Blue: He uses this as his ticket to try and get me to drop the issue (and others).

I think someone said this: "It makes it seem like you're trying to get away with things"

I was telling you to take it at Face Value because that's what you needed to do. There is nothing more about it. You are over-analyzing the situation. You are looking for a bigger intent when there is none. You are not confronting me based on what I've said on done rather on a bunch of precedents and a bunch of ****ty reasons that I did the things I've said and done. You couldn't just go 'Oh, maybe Soup just thinks it's weird! Jee, I could ask why he thinks that is instead of somehow managing to find a nearly wall worth of useless **** to prod him about.' Read the last bit of that post too Ran, I think it would really help. Contrary to popular belief, I am a player. Just like you, and sometimes, I do things for the sake of reading others. They might not make sense at the time, I might not elaborate on everything, but they all have a purpose. You could ask me how I feel about certain things, but instead, you skip ahead from the part where you're suppose to determine if something is actually worth pursuing or you're just wasting time. Guess what I think you're doing right now.

I only touch on this slightly when I re-vote No Lynch. I will repeat it. Soup's AtE is fake here. I will state why. Soup does this BIG blow up (as you'll see below in all caps and bold) to clutter up the thread and steer discussion away from the original issue at hand. This is where references from BIM mafia would help to support my case, but I'll bring those in later. I'm focusing on finishing this case and I'll then support with meta.

THERE IS NO ISSUE YOU BLUBBERING MORON THERE WAS NEVER AN ISSUE WHICH IS WHY THERE IS NO POINT DISCUSSING IT

but hey man let's just ignore that and reference a year old game because soup never learns right? haha im so smart dude

He states he just woke up to justify him being caught up guard. He also mentions he feels like replacing out, which is misplaced because he never truly replaced out, it was only a statement to show he seems to be looking into it, when it was only for show.

Nothing bothers me more than having good intentions and getting **** on for it. From my point of view, I was trying to help town. I was trying to be proactive, and not a lot of people could see what I was doing. This is frustrating, and to constantly a wall no matter what I do early game is also frustrating. I genuinely wanted to replace out because I was not having fun at the time. You are not making me have fun right now.

This is genuine bull****. There was no reason to 'fly off the handle'. No one was pressuring him with ULTIMATE pressure or insults that would truly enrage him. He was simply being pushed with logic that he couldn't answer to.

NEW FLASH: PEOPLE GET ANGRY WHEN PEOPLE ASSUME WRONG THINGS ABOUT THEM. That being said I'm having a great morning needing to explain all of this to you. also lol logic

yeah man because im not trying to be logical you either right dude? lol just some more AtE you'll probably think im scum still because im not talking to you like i was a robot without emotions

beep boop ran-o-tron 3000 cannot compute emotions ERROR. ERROR. RAN-O-TRON 3000 AT CRITICAL LEVELS, INTIATING BACK-UP OVER ELABORATION POSTS, ERROR, DOES NOT COMPUTE. DOES NOT COMPUTE.

Red, this never happened. He never explained his actions, he waved it off by calling me town, and telling me to take things at face value. That doesn't explain his actions.

lol http://smashboards.com/threads/zombies-mafia-day-1-begins.354916/page-5#post-16737654

lmao http://smashboards.com/threads/zombies-mafia-day-1-begins.354916/reply?quote=16737685

rofl http://smashboards.com/threads/zombies-mafia-day-1-begins.354916/reply?quote=16734703

This isn't protown. It's very unhelpful to not look at something when you are being pressured. After re-reading the post and the #171, to me it seems he tried to carry a stubborn air to avoid actually talking about the issue again.

There. Wasn't. Any. Issue. There. Was. Never. An. Issue. Please see what I said about this already because I am seriously not going to repeat myself. Thanks.

I think the crux of the issue is this quote: "You are content to throw around town reads at the time, but not doing much to establish scum-reads/scum-hunt."

Hey buddy I explained this? If you have an issue with my explanation then maybe quote or ask me about it instead of making an assumption without reading said explanation. That would be great.

He did it with Ryu and then Me. He explained to gorf that Ryu was actually null. Yet he didn't explain him clearing off me. I also agree with the assertion that he was content with simply throwing out town reads but not doing much to scumhunt or develop reads. Ashemu also notices this: #132

Ryu is the only person that I really have any sort of interest in so far.

Ryu

person

Interest

Interest
Interest
Interest

He didn't bother with Ashemu's Joey push. He also asked Ryu a question about Ashemu's push on him, but didn't really conclude anything about it afterwards. (He said Ashemu didn't really strike him as a prob)

Wrong. Read those posts I hyperlinked.

He simply says that his intentions to emulate Zen were genuine, in rebuttal to ira saying it was disingenious.
He justifies it by saying he doesn't feel bad about it. That doesn't make it right or not suspicious.
He also gives an additional justification, saying that if it wasn't for that, Ryu wouldn't have cracked, therefore making his 'clearing' of ryu good.
He simply waves it off by saying he'll take it with a grain of salt.

They were. That's my explanation. Don't tell me how to play? That's what you're doing right now Ran. You're telilng me how I should play, not how I want to play. And the whole problem you have with me is that I'm not playing the way you want me to, or expect me to. It's so stupid, this is all really stupid. I never cleared Ryu? I did the exact opposite? Where the bloody hell are you getting this? When did I ever say that I thought Ryu was town? That was he was clear? I said that because I wanted to tell Moira why I did what I did, what my intention was for confronting Red Ryu. Do you have a problem with it? Yes? Then tell me. Don't make stupid ****ing cases to stuff I could have answered ****ing ages ago.

This is also something that I really dislike from Soup. He clears me as town but he has the urge to want to switch from his really early Obv-townran read due to popular opinion. This isn't pro-town because it shows his reads are fake and he doesn't intend to defend those he thinks are innocent, but rather prefers to pile on them whenever he gets the chance.

I'm not always right. I can admit that.

...'his reads are fake because he wants to reconsider what he feels strongly about'.

What?

I wanted to reconsider for the whole fact that people were talking about and there was a possibility that I was too quick to clear you. There is nothing else about it. Am I not allowed to change my opinions too? This is that whole 'soup not playing to the image I have of him' again isn't it?

This shows Soup didn't do much in terms of finding scum, gets flak, and takes a break and lets Zen take the wheel. I feel this was a scum recovery tactic. (Stalling) Hydra s can do this regardless of alignment, but Soup never had good reason to take a break.

Jee ran worrying about school sure is big enough of a reason don't you think? What do you want me to tell you? Zen told me that I should back off and I agreed because I was merely getting frustrated and not enjoying myself, and I had other things to worry about. I still have those other things to worry about but I'm responding to you instead.

First off, I am confused as to why Soup scumreads Ryu but doesn't do anything about it after. He doesn't really go into it in his reads after either. (Even if they are null as a hybrid, he could still mention it as Zen had done so before)

Because we want to lynch WATT first. You're not really reading this game are you? Just the things you want to. #546.

Secondly, I don't see the cases for either of Gord/Ash/Watt. Gord isn't pulling that much weight but I read it as null. Not enough for me to suspect him. With Ash, as she pointed out, that theory is moot without having a Gorf scumflip. (or me flip) His theory of me and then jumping to Gorf reads of him trying to tie anyone together into a hypothetical scumteam, instead of finding solid evidence of genuine scum.

Zen literally is going to ISO and go the whole nine yards with this.

I wasted like..40 minutes responding to all of this? What a ****ing waste. I'm not responding to you. This is the last I talk about this. I don't care if you think I'm scum until you're blue in the face, this is absolutely worthless to me and this is just a waste of time, for you, for me, for everyone else.

Thank you.

 

[No Lynch]

@Zack Fair

Take the wheel again. Keep me updated in QT. I'm out of this thread for a while.

Don't respond to Ranmaru.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

L - 1 you say?

Vote: gheb


Ran I've yet to read your case. Will respond later when I do

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@ #HBC | Mac

My opinion on Gorf is that we should body the living **** out of him after we lynch WATT. The only thing I disagree with @ No Lynch case is that Ashemu is a more likely contender for scumbag #3 in his assumed scumteam than frozen, Ryu, Rockin or Rake are. That looks like them two heads getting ahead of themselves a bit but WATT -> Gorf is an absolutely legit plan that I have no qualms with whatsoever.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

does your opinion of gorf's slot change depending on watt's flip?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't think that Gorf is necessarily scummy through a connection with WATT, so his flip will have a minor impact at best.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Can you guys stop wall trading? I'm literally ignoring any wall post that is longer that I have to super scroll for it.

Only Evil Eue and Maybe J can get me to read a wall.

Gheb/no lynch/Gorf is my lynch pool today, I'd only Support Watt if there is a good reason which no one is answering me outside of Ran.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Wtf is wrong with some of you people ....

 

[#HBC | Mac]

woah, so much support for a gheb lynch

it might actually happen!

red ryu, why do you find gheb scummy?
how does gorf's flip change your opinion on gheb and vice versa?
do you agree with ran's case on NL or do you think he's scum for some other reason?

 

[Rockin]

@ Rockin what was the reason you asked me that question? Why me specifically?

wasn't asking you specifically. It was a general question for everyone, but was a reminder for you incase you missed it.

Trying to help progress. Currently, I'm waiting to see what No Lynch gots to say about that weird mixture of words (how macman is the most townie of all, yet if Gheb is scum, Macman is scum).. I currently don't have any question for any of the other cast. For the moment, I'm just reading in to what many are saying, and if I see something of interest, then I'll say something.

i guess the only question I have to the general public is what do we gain from either a No Lynch (Hydra) or Ranmaru lynch as far as information?

Also, I would like some more explanation from your 'tier list'

Ashemu's reaction to Zen's hypotheticals really made Zen reexamine his reading of Ranmaru. And soup has reluctantly agreed to do away with clearing him for activity meta. Zen has this whole Ranshegorf theory which will be explained below. Overall our lynch pool is as follows.

A Tier: Gorf
B Tier: Ranmaru, Ashemu
C Tier: Watt
D Tier: Gheb, Rake, Ruy
E Tier: Moira, Joey, Rockin, Macman
F Tier: No Lynch

Inactive Tier: Frozen

I notice I'm in the E tier, and judging from F tier and others in the E tier, I would like to know you're reasoning behind that as opposed to be being tier....D or C.

After catching up on the thread, I find it...weird that Gheb is suddenly near the chopping block, when WATT was last on the chopping block with a response of 'plz don't lynch me yet.'

Still unsure of who I want to vote for. Still getting a lot of nulls on my end as well.

@ Frozen - Listen, I understand that you're a busy guy and you have stuff to do IRL. I also understand that this is a usual tendency of this and you tend to post really huge (yet informative posts). However, it would be most appriciated if you at least give a small summery of what your thoughts are as far as the situation, especially when we're like 5 days till deadline. Remember that if you feel you can't play, there's no shame in replacing out.

[/b]@mod - I would like to request a date reminder whenever you update the vote count. This'll help people remember the deadline easier as oppose to always going back to page 2 or w/e for it[/b]

Gorf and -Masquerain- : Remember if either of you guys have questions for me, you can just ask me. No need to remind people I've been pretty quiet when they know I have been quiet >_>

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Still unsure of who I want to vote for. Still getting a lot of nulls on my end as well.

Read NL's and Gheb's posts on WATT, dude.

 

[Moira]

Gheb at least give a little credit to the one who built the original case/push on WATT.

 

[Rockin]

Read NL's and Gheb's posts on WATT, dude.

I did. Still the same. A lot of things doesnt scream 'scum' to me nor do i want to count it as 'leaning scum'

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Gheb at least give a little credit to the one who built the original case/push on WATT.

Whatever, I was voting watt before it was cool

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I did. Still the same. A lot of things doesnt scream 'scum' to me nor do i want to count it as 'leaning scum'

How about pointing out these "lot of things" to me? Cuz I totally don't see where your doubt could be coming from.

 

[Moira]

Whatever, I was voting watt before it was cool

Where you at now though?

Oh, right.

 

[ranmaru]

i dont really see or agree with the case, i dont have specific issues with it, just "ehhh ok but i dont think hes scum"

i also think that if im wrong on nl theyll become really really obvious as the game goes on

Fair enough.

Going to be reading jumbo wall, but I feel I am going to be sighing and him-hawing.

God I suck at convincing people. Help me j with making cases

Ranmaru, hun, we are not lynching WATT based on "Policy Lynching". Get out of here with that bologna.
or I'll make you eat mine.

It's a two-way street. Your bologna for mine.

On Watt what I got was "He's not doing ****, so therefore we are lynching him"

If that's not what it is, I'll re-read the case on him.

yea thats a nice way of saying i have no life

Spoiler: not mafia-related

I got out of hs senior year early via the california high school proficiency exam so when I'm at home I'm free to loaf around playing mafia until I start college later this year. there's still a lot of productive **** i should be doing instead of mafia but i'm a master procrastinator lol

Lol. I like it though. Especially when most of the town is pretty passive. It's nice to see active posters, it keeps the game fun for me.

:eyeroll:

You have the biggest ****ing complex with us this game Ran, I open my hand up and you instantly take it back as if you think I have some kind of wicked ulterior motive to actually work with you, then you force out a bunch of crappy wall over-analyzed cases that you know what? I am going to break down this case because you're being stupid and playing this game like a moron. All hurt intended.

Ouch. ;-;

Sorry, I just don't trust you. Especially since you tried to do a 180 flip on me (zenside) due to some crap connection thing. You give out your hand too easily and take it away whenever you feel like. I layed off you for a bit to see if you'd do anything else, but the big post doesn't convince me. The only real thing you have there is Gord and it isn't convincing enough for ToDay. Maybe after a while but not ToDay. Try harder.

Anyways, I might respond to your response tomorrow. As you might know, that **** took alot of time. I overslept because of it. Deuces.

 

[ranmaru]

Ran I've yet to read your case. Will respond later when I do

Please give your opinion of it after Ryu answers your Q.

I'm out. And yeah I'll support a Gheb lynch

 

[ranmaru]

Can you guys stop wall trading? I'm literally ignoring any wall post that is longer that I have to super scroll for it.
.

Dude that was in a spoiler. I even provided a summary. No johns.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

**** i guess i should read

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

heh i was actually waiting to see if rake would bring up the fact that i never answered him. same with a second question he asked me... i've made posts since he asked me these two questions yet for some reasons he hasn't cared that I haven't answered his qs. to me this gives me the impression that he doesn't actually care about the answers and that they might be for show

anyways lemme go and find out what exactly the question was and i'll answer to for you ranman

I'm not overly concerned because you'd eventually post something about it and if you didnt for a while then i could go all Sherlock on your ass.

Also answer my question please

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What the **** is wrong with dumb****s throwing my name around as a legit lynch.

 

[ranmaru]

**** i guess i should read

Put out a vote

Gimee scumreads nao

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Combined Souperzen Post

We are both extremely active players and both tend to play on the forefront in a live stream sort of way. And so we tag-team posting in the thread while the other gives thoughts in our qt. I have work, soup has school. Mostly been correlating off of that. Some of our posts will also be hybridized like this one (lol hybridized is actually a word).

Ruy is right at null. Scum lean to soup. Town lean to Zen. Would like to see if his read on us is the same after he catches up.
Joey null town lean. There's really nothing atypical about his play. Not a direction we're interested in today as it stands.
Haha I like how you not only clone what I said about you, but completely contradict your point in the same post. See the bolded for details. It seems the amount of thought you're putting into your posts is starting to decline.


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Ashemu's reaction to Zen's hypotheticals really made Zen reexamine his reading of Ranmaru. And soup has reluctantly agreed to do away with clearing him for activity meta. Zen has this whole Ranshegorf theory which will be explained below. Overall our lynch pool is as follows.

A Tier: Gorf
B Tier: Ranmaru, Ashemu
C Tier: Watt
D Tier: Gheb, Rake, Ruy
E Tier: Moira, Joey, Rockin, Macman
F Tier: No Lynch

Inactive Tier: Frozen

Vote: Gorf

Both of us agree that gorf is the grimiest slot. It's funny that he claimed Gheb to only be slinging mud when that's nonliterally all he's been doing all game:












Ah yes, such exaggerations, yet such contradicting apathy






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Scum team theory:

At the start of this Zen felt that Ashemu's overreaction to this:
Indicated that he had hit a nerve. As said earlier, we felt that a scum ranmaru's interaction with Ashemu could be s/s distancing. Of course this was a complete hypothetical that was being entertained for the sake of Rockin's question. Neither of us believed Ran to be scum at the time. Ashemu's reaction made Zen feel however that he might have actually been spot on. Rereading Ran with a perspective of him being scum seemed to fit. We felt that his play here was more like Scott Pilgrim where he was posting and being semi-active but not really being genuine town ran. This was primarily propagated by the fact that he disappeared after page 8. Furthermore his return in #471 along with Gorf's in #474 seemed correlated as hell. Like scumbuds who had just gotten done discussing their plan of action. We're still not sure what to make of that lol. I'd like to know what @ #HBC | Mac and @ Moira make of this.

Ran's return to the game and his back and forths with Joey (which happened during the course of us typing this) make us feel better about him though. Feels like natural town Ran. So yeah we just preformed a 360° heel flip .

#474 is likely just Gorf sheeping Ran's language and pushes.

Back to Ashemu. Zen definitely hit a nerve there. We no longer feel it was because of an s/s tie to Ranmaru, but because of an s/s tie between Gorf and Ashemu. And you know we actually just realized something! When Ashemu reacted to Zen's post, why did he bold both he and Gorf's names and not just his own?



Seeing that he deleted the rest of Zen's post when quoting it, it was clearly a conscious and instinctive decision to include Gorf. But why? Ashemu is playing himself off in the post above as being obvtownie. One can understand wanting to defend one's self in such a way, but this subtle defense of gorf is incongruent. This is especially out of character for the "looking in all directions" (or as Zen calls the flinging ashes) persona Ashemu has been displaying throughout the game.


As for scum #3, we agree with Moira and Gheb's cases on WATT. We don't get what's not to like about Gheb's #424. @ #HBC | Mac we feel your tunneling on Gheb is misguided if not strange. Gheb is always a middle ground player. Zen found him breaking his posting style suspicious as it shows concern over his image. But as we said, we like his case on WATT and agree with it.

WATT had done absolutely jack this game. He's given no direction or attempt to scum hunt at all. Unless you want to include the empty questions he forced out after Miora prodded him to. If you know Orbo you know how active he is in scum hunting. And he's shown to have the time to do so since he was actively participating in thread.

We believe Gorf, Ashemu, and WATT are scumbags and that their interactions support that. Gorf has been iffy on WATT all game despite having a scum vibes on every other non-town-leading players:




Haha what is this I don't even

There's other little out of place things in their interaction such as Gorf's comment in #247. This was right after Moira was calling Orbo out on his sidelining. Why has Gorf been slinging mud at almost every other player, but Orbo being scummy he just brushes off as funny?

Vote: Watt
Vote: Ashemu
Vote: Gorf

let's get this **** rollin. Would prefer to lynch Gorf, but willing to lynch either of the three.

Finalized Tier List

Spoiler

A Tier: Gorf
B Tier: Ashemu, WATT
C Tier: Frozen
D Tier: Gheb, Rake, Ranmaru, Ruy
E Tier: Moira, Joey, Rockin, Macman
F Tier: No Lynch

@mod request triple prod Frozen

this be a good post.

Color me suspicious it took this long to get a quality post out of you.

Also that ASh stuff kinda dicey. i might ask you in depth about it later because i felt initially that ash's jumpy votes and general give no ****s was a slight town tell

 

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Put out a vote

Gimee scumreads nao

Watt / Ryu

Somewhat suspicious of Gheb only because he literally has done **** all but idk if i should of expected any different.

Gorf pushing gheb for gheb's asshole attitude is null, gheb always slams people and those two just dont jive iirc

 

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The fact that WATT is avoiding this thread instead of being proactive and here to at least play defence bothers me too.

I know Orbo's arounf and John's or not he's avoiding this game more than he should be