ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[No Lynch]

@ No Lynch / @Zack Fair

No, I'm not sure what you mean. If you feel insulted by the way I talk about you, you just have to tell me and I'll stop. I do not mean to insult you - I do it for general amusement and it doesn't bother me unless it bothers you. But I don't actually like it if it bothers you and will stop if it does. Just tell me if you have a problem with it or not and I'll act accordingly.

Oh I was actually referring to the question about your posting style. I was wondering if breaking your posting style is something you've always done or if it's a new thing. I remember not being able to get you to break your poetry no matter what I asked or said in the past.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

ayyo gheb can you be nice to me?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

good **** gorf, specifically this:

this analysis. shallow. everything said about his mentioning of superficial reads and not backing things up are accurate analysis of his play thus far, and his first paragraph is total bull****. the best thing he's got is the weird insistence of so many things being "regardless of alignment" but it's as if being bad and dumb automatically = being scummy, which i know gheb doesn't believe.

this lines up with how i felt about gheb's case on watt. And even in gheb's post on WATT he points out that watt provided MORE reads that gheb ever did, yet somehow gheb is being useful and not WATT.

just want to reiterate this point i made a while back that gorf expanded on:

whereas you've had a constant but worthless presence in this thread - only commenting on things when ashemu says you should get policy lynched for your poem-crap or when i mention that you're not doing anything. and then when you do respond it's just mirroring ideas that other ppl have been bringing up. I just get no impression that you're trying to find scum whatsoever instead it seems like you're making posts to appear like you're doing ****

If you look at all of gheb's posts this game, literally every single one of his posts have been prompted by someone commenting on him (except for his first RVS post on WATT)

also gheb's defense by questioning me about all the other slots who haven't done **** seems like a huge deflection. He asks that I can't be suspicious of him if I don't care about the rest of the worthless players. First of all, my suspicion isn't just that you're being worthless, which you are, it's that you're actually here and have been constantly posting in response to other ppl with generic-ass reads as if you're trying to just assuage ppls issues with you. Most importantly though, why bring up that defense? just cuz other ppl are ****ty doesn't mean that your ****tyness isn't scummy. Are you trying to figure out my intentions in singling you out for your lackluster posting? Why, I thought you thought I was easily town? This gives off the impression that you're just trying to defend yourself not with reasons why you're not scum but with reasons why I should be focusing my attention elsewhere.

Also still you've yet to really give use any of your opinions on how play is progressing thus far, sticking to common reads with little reasoning or holding on to your static read on WATT.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Oh I was actually referring to the question about your posting style. I was wondering if breaking your posting style is something you've always done or if it's a new thing. I remember not being able to get you to break your poetry no matter what I asked or said in the past.

I've never actually went through with it for a whole game. The only time I didn't stop doing it was Asdioh's upick Pokemon mafia where I was killed N1.

 

[ranmaru]

Soup side has been inactive as I've been stressed and crunching on schoolwork, trying to focus less on Mafia. I let Zen take the wheel feeling like I perhaps really did need a break but I've still been making comments and working with Zen in our QT. We'll probably have a huge steam of content coming up pretty soon, but Zen will probably stay the active head at the moment until I get some time to actually start posting. Apologies.

I hope that post has your reads in it too. I'm sorry about the stress though. Come back to us.

@Zack Fair

How does your line of questioning with Gheb help you find scum? What did you gain from it?

I also think you asked me about Moira. Why do you like them, and why did you ask me about them if you like them?

 

[ranmaru]

@ ~ Gheb ~
@Rake. I change my mind, you're chill for now.

Now that I think about it, what changed your mind about Rake?

How is that unified post coming?

 

[Moira]

Hey everyone. The thoughtful side is on family vacation for a bit so it's just the other side for a bit. Haven't been posting due to a much needed mafia siesta. Going to be catching up now.

 

[Moira]

This is...odd.

My his us how I feel about a lot of your reads this game.

Huh, Ruy, I have no idea what your last sentence means. Can you re-word it, buddy?

 

[Moira]

Caught up: Not much to say to be quite honest.

Ran's case on Joey actually did the opposite of convincing him as scum for me but actually make me believe he is more likely to be town. Opinion on Ranmaru though? I could see the wagon behind him gaining speed. His push on Joey was so reachy and that case was terrible. He's basically had 2 terrible cases back to back in my book so I am wanting to see his flip to see if it's TownRan or ScumRan with the mask of trying to be TownRan. I do not recall TownRan being this case hoppy on the first Day-Phase. What I mean to say if my WATT train dies out and the lynch were to become down to like Gheb vs. Ranmaru, Ranmaru would get our vote.

Gorf is odd. I'm throwing him back in my nulls for the time being since I have to deliberate and I see some fun things if certain people flip what I think they will flip. Rake is also another odd read. These two for now are my TBD for later. Ruy too can be thrown there.

Hmmmmm I'm confused. I am still good with my WATT vote and I do like the wagon members at the moment. (Gheb/Ashy) Plus WATT hasn't done anything (literally haha) to change my thought process.

 

[ranmaru]

Moira I believe I have asked you some questions. Can youu get to those?

i am on my way to the gym

 

[Moira]

If I find them but they are hidden in formatting errors, I may cry a little.

 

[Moira]

Ranmaru, I did answer all your questions('cept NL). WATT is still scummy. I do not find Joey/Ruy scummy. I find Joey leaning town and Ruy is null. Ashy is a null, but a read I am beginning to like more and more. However, there is that wild theory of fun that one of her/Macman are scum and that looks super fun. And NL is towny, nothing of there play has any scum-intentions.

 

[ranmaru]

Me changing directions is simply me looking at other leads. What else can I do when my early game suspect, drops his posting and is delaying their super big post? As you can see, I'm interested in their responses to me and what they are thinking, because I'm trying to develop my read on them.

When exactly did you conclude that NL was towny? Is this the first time you state this? You seemed to have a problem with them and you never really 'climaxed' if you naw meen. I mean, you didn't 'close' it with them. How does their early game play compare with your new read on them?

 

[No Lynch]

Combined Souperzen Post

I meant you Zen. I am stepping back for now though. I think Soup has stepped down though and am seeing more of you. Am I right? Why is he posting less? What are his reads seperately from yours?

Rake I don't have a problem with. Moira is null but is null and I'm interested in developing my read on him over time.

Talk to me about Ryu and Joey.

We are both extremely active players and both tend to play on the forefront in a live stream sort of way. And so we tag-team posting in the thread while the other gives thoughts in our qt. I have work, soup has school. Mostly been correlating off of that. Some of our posts will also be hybridized like this one (lol hybridized is actually a word).

Ruy is right at null. Scum lean to soup. Town lean to Zen. Would like to see if his read on us is the same after he catches up.
Joey null town lean. There's really nothing atypical about his play. Not a direction we're interested in today as it stands.

im still iffy on moira (did she ever respond here? i liek the watt case now that its posted indepth tho) and now nl again. i hate zens posts iget this gut feeling hes scum posting unpopular reads/connections for the sake of being a ****ing trash hipster idiot and sowing doubt in the town. for one wh yis the possibility of me and mac scum relevant if youre not going to push it? "Ash may simply be throwing ash at peeps though for the sake of makin em look dirty." is a garbage observation, like yeah it's possible, but u can read my posts, am i actually doing that or not? this line has no point other than to make people distrust me without actually committing to a push. also how was rockin's entry to the game good at all wtf

Haha I like how you not only clone what I said about you, but completely contradict your point in the same post. See the bolded for details. It seems the amount of thought you're putting into your posts is starting to decline.


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Ashemu's reaction to Zen's hypotheticals really made Zen reexamine his reading of Ranmaru. And soup has reluctantly agreed to do away with clearing him for activity meta. Zen has this whole Ranshegorf theory which will be explained below. Overall our lynch pool is as follows.

A Tier: Gorf
B Tier: Ranmaru, Ashemu
C Tier: Watt
D Tier: Gheb, Rake, Ruy
E Tier: Moira, Joey, Rockin, Macman
F Tier: No Lynch

Inactive Tier: Frozen

Vote: Gorf

Both of us agree that gorf is the grimiest slot. It's funny that he claimed Gheb to only be slinging mud when that's nonliterally all he's been doing all game:

Why do I have the feeling that Moira basically had absolutely nothing to say in their flurry of posts yesterday?

Why do I feel like Gheb has done nothing far from sling mud?

Ran I think you smell bad

It's the "mightier than thou" attitude really. That sort of tone feels really out of place when it came. If you want me to explain more you'll need to be specific, I don't see what it is that needs clarification that I haven't already addressed.

Wait why are people townreading this slot? Cuz he's ****in stupid?

There is such a **** load of scum in this game that it's unsettling.

***** fight me

People gotta stop being so careful and ****in SCUM HUNT like god damn you're making this frustrating

Why isn't town even ****ing trying?

Ah yes, such exaggerations, yet such contradicting apathy

More slots need prodding or attention but I'm not gonna do anything about it. Whopee.

will shamelessly sheep Mac if he joins the wagon.

If you don't mind I'm going to shamelessly hop on your wagon.

it's because i'm tired and i know that since i only feel fine about you mac and ash that the majority of the prodding and attention would be frivolous, so i'd rather wait for the bad townies to not be ********.

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Scum team theory:

At the start of this Zen felt that Ashemu's overreaction to this:

Spoiler

Ahh, okay. I understand then.

But yeah, I would like to hear what you have to say as far as a ramaru lynch benefit (if you feel there's any)

I don't feel there's any. If he happened to flip scum, then the benefit would be nl clear, Ashemu suspect, gorf suspect. Probably more that I'm not entertaining because I do not think it's likely the case.

Indicated that he had hit a nerve. As said earlier, we felt that a scum ranmaru's interaction with Ashemu could be s/s distancing. Of course this was a complete hypothetical that was being entertained for the sake of Rockin's question. Neither of us believed Ran to be scum at the time. Ashemu's reaction made Zen feel however that he might have actually been spot on. Rereading Ran with a perspective of him being scum seemed to fit. We felt that his play here was more like Scott Pilgrim where he was posting and being semi-active but not really being genuine town ran. This was primarily propagated by the fact that he disappeared after page 8. Furthermore his return in #471 along with Gorf's in #474 seemed correlated as hell. Like scumbuds who had just gotten done discussing their plan of action. We're still not sure what to make of that lol. I'd like to know what @ #HBC | Mac and @ Moira make of this.

Ran's return to the game and his back and forths with Joey (which happened during the course of us typing this) make us feel better about him though. Feels like natural town Ran. So yeah we just preformed a 360° heel flip .

#474 is likely just Gorf sheeping Ran's language and pushes.

Back to Ashemu. Zen definitely hit a nerve there. We no longer feel it was because of an s/s tie to Ranmaru, but because of an s/s tie between Gorf and Ashemu. And you know we actually just realized something! When Ashemu reacted to Zen's post, why did he bold both he and Gorf's names and not just his own?

If he happened to flip scum, then the benefit would be nl clear, Ashemu suspect, gorf suspect.

wow

this is hella egotistical of me but i question zens paranoia about my slot when his buddy was outright townreading me, especially when he argues id be ran's buddy which is lmao. are you two not talking?

Seeing that he deleted the rest of Zen's post when quoting it, it was clearly a conscious and instinctive decision to include Gorf. But why? Ashemu is playing himself off in the post above as being obvtownie. One can understand wanting to defend one's self in such a way, but this subtle defense of gorf is incongruent. This is especially out of character for the "looking in all directions" (or as Zen calls the flinging ashes) persona Ashemu has been displaying throughout the game.


As for scum #3, we agree with Moira and Gheb's cases on WATT. We don't get what's not to like about Gheb's #424. @ #HBC | Mac we feel your tunneling on Gheb is misguided if not strange. Gheb is always a middle ground player. Zen found him breaking his posting style suspicious as it shows concern over his image. But as we said, we like his case on WATT and agree with it.

WATT had done absolutely jack this game. He's given no direction or attempt to scum hunt at all. Unless you want to include the empty questions he forced out after Miora prodded him to. If you know Orbo you know how active he is in scum hunting. And he's shown to have the time to do so since he was actively participating in thread.

We believe Gorf, Ashemu, and WATT are scumbags and that their interactions support that. Gorf has been iffy on WATT all game despite having a scum vibes on every other non-town-leading players:

I like what you've brought to the table Moira. No further questions.

There is such a **** load of scum in this game that it's unsettling. I'm honestly not sure if WATT is a part of that grouping but will shamelessly sheep Mac if he joins the wagon. I mean, sure the slot is on the armchair and needs to be more proactive, but in hindsight that in and of itself isn't scummy. He's played at least a moderately analytic game, which is cool, but his touch does feel really... soft, if that makes sense. Let's just say that I'm open to being wrong on my town lean on the slot.

More slots need prodding or attention but I'm not gonna do anything about it. Whopee.

Plastic is cheap. I have better tools than that mind you.

Still want to have like actual names for who are all the "scummy people" in the game.

watt gheb joey ruy nl rake rockin ran frozen

so basically not you mac or ash

Haha what is this I don't even

There's other little out of place things in their interaction such as Gorf's comment in #247. This was right after Moira was calling Orbo out on his sidelining. Why has Gorf been slinging mud at almost every other player, but Orbo being scummy he just brushes off as funny?

Vote: Watt
Vote: Ashemu
Vote: Gorf

let's get this **** rollin. Would prefer to lynch Gorf, but willing to lynch either of the three.

Finalized Tier List

Spoiler

A Tier: Gorf
B Tier: Ashemu, WATT
C Tier: Frozen
D Tier: Gheb, Rake, Ranmaru, Ruy
E Tier: Moira, Joey, Rockin, Macman
F Tier: No Lynch

@mod request triple prod Frozen

 

[Moira]

I literally just skipped down the stairs to type I am so happy me and Zen are town together. We are gonna mow this game down.

 

[Moira]

@ ranmaru : I was not pushing NL earlier. This slot was mainly trying to get Soup to calm down so that he may actually be readable. Saying we were pushing that slot as a scum-feel or anything regarding that is looking at the events in a wrong light. The most we ever said about them was that we were uncomfortable with them due to Soup. However, they are town so this argument is moot.

 

[Moira]

I just need to say aaaaaaaaaah Zen is so seeing what I am seeing. Just aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Don't know if Soup is seeing but I smell so much ZenTown in that post it's not funny especially because he is mind-reading my thoughts.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

nl, is your list in order from left to right as well? (just confirming i have obvtown status)

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Indicated that he had hit a nerve. As said earlier, we felt that a scum ranmaru's interaction with Ashemu could be s/s distancing. Of course this was a complete hypothetical that was being entertained for the sake of Rockin's question. Neither of us believed Ran to be scum at the time. Ashemu's reaction made Zen feel however that he might have actually been spot on. Rereading Ran with a perspective of him being scum seemed to fit. We felt that his play here was more like Scott Pilgrim where he was posting and being semi-active but not really being genuine town ran. This was primarily propagated by the fact that he disappeared after page 8. Furthermore his return in #471 along with Gorf's in #474 seemed correlated as hell. Like scumbuds who had just gotten done discussing their plan of action. We're still not sure what to make of that lol. I'd like to know what @@Macman and @@Moira make of this.

meh i don't see it

i think imma take a backseat for a while

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Not seeing where the Ashy suspicion is coming from but the rest of NL's post is good stuff.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I think the case with watt is no one is liking that they have been active in thread without doing much.

On the Moira part, I looked it up for you. I couldn't find such a thing. This is the last thing (below) I could find before they changed their scumspects to watt and ashemu. I have already asked @ Moira a question about their current stance on NL so that should be cleared up.

Hmm, ok.

You think WATT scum has by merit? I don't think it does from what I read.

 

[No Lynch]

I just need to say aaaaaaaaaah Zen is so seeing what I am seeing. Just aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Don't know if Soup is seeing but I smell so much ZenTown in that post it's not funny especially because he is mind-reading my thoughts.

Don't worry, I had as much contribution to that post as Zen did, but he pitched the team to me at the time. I initially backed out of the thread to get a fresh re-read and recollect my thoughts as I felt like I was too quick to make an assumption on someone. We honestly spent a lot of time fighting about Ranmaru in particular but I didn't want to feel ignorant to the situation. That whole post is compiling both of our thoughts, even if Zen was the foreground of the connection team. I don't think much of it but I hold the same opinions he does, even if we still disagree on certain players (those being Ryu and WATT who I have a higher priority for).

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

FF has been proded

 

[Ashemu]

Scum team theory:

it's day 1 with no flips.

 

[Ashemu]

nls attacks on me are embarrassing, pls take a step back and consider that im reacting negatively to your conspiracy garbage bc thats what it is, conspiracy garbage

i understand the points on gorf. id rather you lynch watt first though.

 

[No Lynch]

I want to elaborate more on our other reads because I've been meaning to do so.

@ ranmaru You're wrong about me feeling it out with you. I felt your post held no weight and there was nothing to feel out, because what you were trying to feel out was so shallow that the only response I could seriously consider is to tell you that basically, I did what I did. It was a RVS suspicion at best, HOWEVER, this feeling I had before is no longer RVS and we (I) have much more to talk about with WATT, so if you want to take the opportunity to actually work with me, you can do it now.

Joey is null because we feel that he is taking a stance that doesn't garner him much action either way, and his hard defense of Ryu is something he would do as either alignment. It's simply something easy to latch on to but I hold the opinion that his hard defense doesn't seem likely for Joey to do it if Ryu was his partner. I think his interaction with Ranmaru a page back is much better however, so I sit with a null-town lean with him right now unless he does something more telling, because I've been fooled by Joey's long-winded posts. @-Masquerain-, could you tell me who you're looking at the moment if you've backed off of on Ran? Reading the last of your interaction you seemed more frustrated than anything because Ran was just being stubborn.

Gheb holds no importance to me or Zen at the moment, and even based on re-read I have nothing much else to say that he is being Gheb. *shrug*

Macman is just really town this game like lol. I don't even know if it matters if I talk about him because the dude is just all over this game, which I really wouldn't think any less. His thought processes have been coherent and I've never really doubted the flow of content from him because it just feels natural. We both have him as strong-town.

Moira I had a really quick jab at him when we talked but Zen has re-assured me that he's town and told me that I was thinking too much about it, and that him ignoring me wasn't telling enough and that what J was doing was more typical of him as town because he was getting into the grit of things instead of fluffing up posts and focusing on a bunch of different things at once. This is something I can agree with on re-read and the fact they're pushing WATT makes me feel better about them too.

Ashemu is someone I was really hard town-reading until Zen threw the theory at me, and while I don't think it's as solid as he does, I see more beyond that theory and feel on a re-read that I was too quick to jot off Ashemu as town. In a sense, Ashemu reminds me of Macman's play without all the spark and reason in it, and that there is a constant proactive style being forced but without all the reason to be proactive. Zen is going to do an iso on him and try to make it less theory-oriented and I'll probably be pitching more of my thoughts on him too, so I'll just stick my tongue out at her for now and say

your gay

(but you could be town if WATT flips scum, imo)

Rake I literally do not care to read at all but I will say that there might be more to him depending on WATT's flip as he already seemed quick to get WATT on his side. I like him getting bullheaded with Zen when he questioned him. @Rake. Thoughts on lynching WATT? @Zack Fair

Has Rockin done anything at all this game? I seriously can't remember.

 

[No Lynch]

Footnote: I personally would feel better getting rid of WATT first as I feel he gives much more on his flip compared to Gorf, but I know Zen is gonna go hard on this theory and I'm kinda just stuck getting dragged along with the ride. I really just wanna see Ryu do more and do something that I think is telling and worthwhile, because his vote is still on us and I'm pretty sure if he still had a problem with us, he would at least bring it to our attention.

 

[Ashemu]

i really dont see why moira is town

 

[No Lynch]

i really dont see why moira is town

Hey can you tell me what you think of red ruy while you're here

 

[Ashemu]

if you explains why moira is town yeah.

after the spat early on i thought he was townie for posting unfiltered but as the game went on i just couldnt really think of anything hed done. i could see him being PoE scum. will go re-read him actually

 

[No Lynch]

if you explains why moira is town yeah.

after the spat early on i thought he was townie for posting unfiltered but as the game went on i just couldnt really think of anything hed done. i could see him being PoE scum. will go re-read him actually

Everything I said about him is basically condensed into why I think he's town, but I know a lot of it might be a bit too meta for you. Simply put, I don't think he has an ulterior motive in his posting and as long as he's pushing avenues that we agree on I see no reason to over think or consider him at the moment. If WATT manages to flip town this may be subject to change.

 

[Ashemu]

actually ruy is probably scum. i couldnt name who he was voting offhand and apparently it's still on you, so i looked at his posts. "I'm still interested in pushing that slot so I want to get a better feel." LOL maybe if your idea of pushing a slot is leaving a vote done then responding to people and throwing random questions around.

now i dont know ryu very well but im of the assumption he can play town, his town play is just eccentric because he asks weird questions and odd things ping his gut. here hes not following up his weird questions, having no reads, not making any attempt to find and lynch scum... like i really cant see him having town motivation here at all. i remember reading the micro before the one i played him and thinking he was scum there for similar reasons so yea, meta going hard

 

[Ashemu]

*vote down
*(if you explain

gdfjkghdkfghj i cant speel
*spell

 

[No Lynch]

tbh i hope you're town because i like you as a player and poster and now you're the only one in the 'ryu is probably scum corner' so jack my meat, perhaps?

 

[Ashemu]

im honestly unsure how ppl can look at ryu's posting history this game and come to the conclusion hes town <_<

 

[Ashemu]

also you keep alluding to having looked up my meta which is weird bc if you know how i play then im p transparently town this game but maybe im just getting the wrong impression

 

[No Lynch]

honestly i think you're a good enough player to fake it so part of the reason why i re-thought you is that you're not a dummy so consider it a boost on your ego

ill pitch to zen about ryu one more time and then ill report back to u

 

[ranmaru]

Hmm, ok.

You think WATT scum has by merit? I don't think it does from what I read.

No I don't. I don't have a problem with him.

meh i don't see it

i think imma take a backseat for a while

What's your current read of NL? Also, why are you going to take a backseat now?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

still town

cuz **** this game

 

[Ashemu]

mac howre you reading ryu