ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[ranmaru]

I'm fine with a Ranmaru push. The whole voting No Lynch for something he's done in a scum game before thing is kind of a load of **** and the vote in general looks very opportunistic.

It wasn't the crux of my vote. If you were reading the game, you'd know what my problems were with NL originally, and that Soup never actually refuted my accusations. Me saying that I haven't seen him do it as town was an invitation for him to prove me wrong with examples, yet that never happened. It wasn't the reason for me keeping my vote on him, it was "I'm not relieved."

The Ashemu vote is very poorly explained and it looks like he just threw an accusation to throw an accusation, which looks really bad considering Ashemu was SO easy to jump on after she jumped on the NL wagon because of her opinion of the wagon prior to her vote.

I threw it out there because I want to show my suspicions, however small they can be. It being an easy jump towards Ash doesn't make me scum. It is null. It is noted that you are trying to twist it that way. Are you saying it isn't possible for scum to bandwagon in that way?

Along with that, his 229 is really disgusting. Specifically the line "Opportunistic in the sense that you hard defend No Lynch as a scumbuddy, but decide to pile on when there is a major support for his death or at least a major discomfort with his slot." Why would Ashemu wait to jump on after one more person votes the slot? The amount of pressure on the slot didn't realistically change much at all. An array of people were voting No Lynch already, and adding one more person didn't really add much to the pressure aspect. I don't understand how you can accuse Ashemu of going from hard defense to busing when she already showed slight distaste in the slot prior to jumping on the wagon and she had her own reasoning for joining the wagon either way (which isn't weak if you don't think about meta by the way).

Possibly because she'd rather distance with NL by saying they are weird, but when seeing Moira post +support without actually giving new reasoning for it, it seemed more like just joining to bandwagon with a weak reason (frustration), but she explained herself afterwards so it was fine. The hard defense was referring to her calling the cases dumb on him.

That's it. Joey, what is your read on Ryu? I'll get to your most recent post now.

 

[Ashemu]

im not reading rake one way or the other tbh

i should probably read rans new posts

@ ~ Gheb ~ : why did you never join the ran wagon? what do you think of him now, esp since mac changed his mind?

 

[Dooms]

It wasn't the crux of my vote. If you were reading the game, you'd know what my problems were with NL originally, and that Soup never actually refuted my accusations. Me saying that I haven't seen him do it as town was an invitation for him to prove me wrong with examples, yet that never happened. It wasn't the reason for me keeping my vote on him, it was "I'm not relieved."

Why in the hell would ANYONE go out of their way to go through their game history to show you a town game where they "avoided the real issue" which is a very poorly defined claim to make in the first place? How on earth do you expect someone to do this? No one has any reason to do this. This also doesn't explain why you have to add "this is something I've seen you do as scum before." If you're just trying to get them to prove they've done it as town as well. Why would you add that other than to beef your case up?

I threw it out there because I want to show my suspicions, however small they can be. It being an easy jump towards Ash doesn't make me scum. It is null. It is noted that you are trying to twist it that way. Are you saying it isn't possible for scum to bandwagon in that way

You're really going to do this, aren't you?

I do not interpret this as null. Sorry if you interpret your own actions as null, but I don't. It's not my fault that I don't interpret your action the same way that you do. Deal with it if you're going to use this to push a wagon on me.

It's not null because you jump on the two easiest lynches with ****ty reasoning. No Lynch not giving you the response you want when the slot is having a Soup meltdown (no offense I love you Soup <3 <3) and Ashemu for re-analyzing her decision and actually giving reasoning for jumping on a wagon but you saying it's **** without explaining why in the slightest.

The problem with the Ashemu vote is just that. She actually gave reasoning and you didn't even explain anything about it. Like at all. You literally just say it's opportunistic and bad.

Possibly because she'd rather distance with NL by saying they are weird, but when seeing Moira post +support without actually giving new reasoning for it, it seemed more like just joining to bandwagon with a weak reason (frustration), but she explained herself afterwards so it was fine. The hard defense was referring to her calling the cases dumb on him.

Are you kidding me? Did you see her reasoning?

"soup im placing you at a higher standard than gheb and joey bc youve actually showed interest in actively engaging in the game. if you have no scumreads then what have you been doing to help you read people? teh way i see it 90% of what uve posted is non-productive arguing, typically in self-defense. i was waiting to see how youd handle more ppl stepping into the game but your first instinct when a player who hadnt produced content yet posted was to get passive-aggressively defensive rather than analyze the aktual post. what are you doing for town right now?"

Read this again and tell me it's just frustration. She is 100% right that Soup is being non-productive with self-defense arguing. Since, according to you yourself, we shouldn't be including any meta when it comes to Ashemu, how is this bad reasoning that can be categorized as "frustration"? I either think you 100% missed this or you jumped on her because she made a 180 (which her 180 isn't scummy in the slightest, especially when it's explained in the way she did).

Note that this was before you accused her of anything.

That's it. Joey, what is your read on Ryu? I'll get to your most recent post now.

Ryu is town. This is how Ryu always plays as town. Simple enough.

 

[ranmaru]

So instead of responding to my actual thoughts on you, you call me wishy washy and say I'm not committing to anything. Also, nice job assuming my first post was just responding to Ashemu. Soup was also getting on him for the exact same thing. Along with that, I stated my thoughts on Ashemu herself after I made that post.

I didn't think of you because you weren't around nearly as much as the other slots. It was mostly referring to WOTT, Gord, Ashemu, Ryu, and NL. I honestly tune you out in RVS because of the type of questions you ask. Sorry... I'm definitely 100% guilty of that though.

Also, good job ignoring the fact that my vote was basically on you. I even stated that my vote was pretty much on you and the only reason I wasn't voting you was that multiple people were on you. You're basically voting me for being wishy-washy and not using the bold vote command. So convincing!

I don't understand what else I should be doing right now when I'm still waiting on you to comment on my push towards you. I'm not going to sit here and be like "these people will work well with Ranmaru" when you're not responding to what I've said about you so I can actually further my read. I've stated to multiple people that I've already posted reasoning on my scum read towards you so that you'd actually respond to it, and instead of actually responding to what I've said, you make a case on me completely ignoring my actual push on you. What the hell Ranmaru?

I didn't feel the need to ask directly since you responded to everyone else pushing you except me, but since you've ignored it, respond to what I actually said about you.

Last thing.

"If he has actually read the thread and the reasoning for my some of town has found me townie, he may come to understand."

If you're really going to try this **** again, I will ignore you until one of us is dead. You have tried this on multiple people in an array of games. It's obnoxious and it doesn't work. People read you differently. "Ranmaru is meta town" is not a convincing case that makes people not scum read you. I'm not going to listen to other people call you meta town and be like "Yeah they're right" when you post **** like "I suspect NL because I saw one of the heads do this **** as scum before".

Did I say that? I recall your 'guys what the hell?' post was because you were answering Ryu. Yet... 'guys' don't refer to him right? That's my point.

I don't believe you. I think I did enough to garner a read and it's your fault for not being more clear. I didn't just give questions, and I"m sure you could see the colors that I posted in analyzing soup at the time. This strengthens my read on you that you don't care to read people, and using that you tune me out in rvs as an excuse for not looking at my whole play. I'll drop this minor subpoint if you can prove that you have stated this elsewhere. (and I beg you not ignore me as I don't just ask questions, I think I have improved enough to deserve the chance of being read and I don't think you can deny that fact)

No, my point still stands. If you were proactive, you'd unvote Ryu and have voted me straight after. You were just too comfortable to do anything about it. You even admit that you were just 'waiting' for me. You re-posted the reasoning but not to prod me into answering, but to answer a question related to me. Again, you were being reactive. You were even caught up in thread liking recent posts but you didn't post until I talked about you. The only thing you posted about me was this:

Is there a reason why we're not voting Ranmaru anymore?

Like, he hasn't done anything that makes me feel better about his ****.

Which shows you are asking for everyone's opinions on me and not trying to convince them that I'm scum. It allows you to simply ask that question and go back in the shadows (active lurking). You haven't asked me questions about my play neither, you just somehow expected me to respond to you to solve your qualms. You say that you didn't directly prod me into your argument, but even after that you still didn't say so until I voted you. Your only lead is me as well. This makes sense when you are doing basically nothing. You are doing nothing else but waiting for me, and while waiting you didn't do much but ask "what's up with ran guys?" when you need not have asked. Are you saying it's my fault that you aren't doing anything in thread?

See, this is why I think you are scum. You are only talking about my reasoning for re-voting No Lynch, but not the original reasoning. You only care to paint me as scum, instead of actually consider the reasoning. It's right in the first sentence. Tell me what you think "I'm not relieved by your responses" may mean and what context it would refer to. Don't tell me "Oh I filter you out during RVS" because you have no excuse.

I don't really see anything wrong with No Lynch lol. His posts so far seem fine and I definitely don't see what's so scummy about shutting down

The closest thing I have to a scum read right now is actually Ashemu, but even then it's just one post that makes me wonder about the slot, and that post isn't even scummy enough to talk about without other posts behind it. One of those not too bad on it's own but could lead to scummy things, you know?

Every other slot that I've seen actually play the game so far seems townie to me. -shrug-

The only other substantial thing you had given was this (earlier in the game). It's also odd that you chose to ignore my posts even when seeing that I voted for No Lynch. It shows you aren't being attentive enough. Even if you truly avoid my questions, you couldn't simply avoid my assertions and votes. Your only point towards Ashemu, you don't even care to show to town and Moira has to prod you into doing it. This shows you don't have any pro-town intent, and you are only being reactive.

 

[Ashemu]

i want gorf to elaboaret on the sheep on the gheb wagon since he was putting a lot more effort into posts earlier

ran... idk its like he couldve come up with what he got on ryu and joey ages ago, those slots have always been a passive non-presence, why do you only look into them now? the most i can say is taht at least he's actually doing something....... a task most players are ****ing up pretty badly

speakin of id lynch watt. id lynch frozen and rockin and ryu too (maybe not ryu). **** ppl who sign up to play mafia then dont scumhunt and leave everybody else in the dark. this is day 1 and its best time to get rid of liabilities so i seriously want to just off somebody we dont want to have to worry about in lylo right now because im still failing to get strong reads in this game and i suspect its because nobodys ****in doing anything

Vote: WATT
uve been posting frequently but have failed to produce anything beyond one liners and hollow questioning and really i just want you out of here if youre not going to chip in more into the game. where the hell has dietz been btw

im still iffy on moira (did she ever respond here? i liek the watt case now that its posted indepth tho) and now nl again. i hate zens posts iget this gut feeling hes scum posting unpopular reads/connections for the sake of being a ****ing trash hipster idiot and sowing doubt in the town. for one wh yis the possibility of me and mac scum relevant if youre not going to push it? "Ash may simply be throwing ash at peeps though for the sake of makin em look dirty." is a garbage observation, like yeah it's possible, but u can read my posts, am i actually doing that or not? this line has no point other than to make people distrust me without actually committing to a push. also how was rockin's entry to the game good at all wtf

i think joey and possibly gheb are town tbh #****ThaHaters
joey reads liek uncertain town to me because he had several chances to set up a push on me with his logic ED1 but didnt, if scum is going to attempt to contribute to the game like he was i dont think theyll avoid dropping a vote to cement town intent if they can help it. ghebs indignance i still think was town tho i do understand the points about him only posting to respond to people so the read there isnt as strong

 

[Ashemu]

when i made this acc i wanted to post liek super hyperactive twitterposting style but im already reverting to my typical play, i just cant be assed to keep up a presence like that when the game environemtnt (<- this typo was not on purpose what the hell) is demotivating to me and i dont wanna spam up the thread further so yea sorry for being less concise than i should be, mafia suicks, **** me im gay

 

[ranmaru]

ran... idk its like he couldve come up with what he got on ryu and joey ages ago, those slots have always been a passive non-presence, why do you only look into them now? the most i can say is taht at least he's actually doing something....... a task most players are ****ing up pretty badly

Yeah but it takes time to actually see their whole play unfold when they are not doing ****. Consider earlier I was asked about them both but I stated I'd need to see more before having a stronger read on them. These are also who I think are most likely scum, in a pretty passive town.

Regardless of alignment Joey can make a push. As you can see here, he'll fully wall me out to death if it came to it. I don't think he is town here though. We have had these skirmishes TvT and TvS (him being scum). There hasn't been one where I was scum and him town though. Yet when he is town he can see when I'm town, I think the last time was Walmart Mafia.

 

[Ashemu]

fair enough

my point is that at scum he wouldve made his observation on me then found a way to form it into a case so hes looking like a Productive Scumhunting Member Of The Town instead of being just "well, i dunno lol, ask me later" about everything. i also think the way he concealed what he noticed had town intent in that he didnt want to play his cards too early. perhaps i am overestimating his ability to look genuine since ive never played with him though.

 

[ranmaru]

Why in the hell would ANYONE go out of their way to go through their game history to show you a town game where they "avoided the real issue" which is a very poorly defined claim to make in the first place? How on earth do you expect someone to do this? No one has any reason to do this. This also doesn't explain why you have to add "this is something I've seen you do as scum before." If you're just trying to get them to prove they've done it as town as well. Why would you add that other than to beef your case up?

I didn't feel I'd need to re-elaborate myself when I was already voting him. So no, it wasn't me trying to beef up my case. And all it would take is a simple "Yeah I did do that as town in this game and this game" and I'd go check it out. You can tell it's not used as actual reasoning because I didn't say "you have said this as scum and never as town" or "you have done this as both alignments but I think you are scum here." That's all.

All you'd need to is look at the original sentence.

You're really going to do this, aren't you?

I do not interpret this as null. Sorry if you interpret your own actions as null, but I don't. It's not my fault that I don't interpret your action the same way that you do. Deal with it if you're going to use this to push a wagon on me.

It's not null because you jump on the two easiest lynches with ****ty reasoning. No Lynch not giving you the response you want when the slot is having a Soup meltdown (no offense I love you Soup <3 <3) and Ashemu for re-analyzing her decision and actually giving reasoning for jumping on a wagon but you saying it's **** without explaining why in the slightest.

The problem with the Ashemu vote is just that. She actually gave reasoning and you didn't even explain anything about it. Like at all. You literally just say it's opportunistic and bad.

You are wrong. It's null because town can see an opportunistic jump as well and attack the suspect for that, while you are attacking me only because it seems easy and you are implying only scum would attack in that angle.

I think I have already clearly explained how me voting no lynch (hydra) wasn't the first time I pushed him, therefore it not being some 'easy' lynch. You only want to ignore that, if you were townie you'd take what I said into consideration.

This is what I was referring to:

Vote: No Lynch (Hydra)
nl is scum mad about being caught for the wrong reasons actaully

Are you kidding me? Did you see her reasoning?

"soup im placing you at a higher standard than gheb and joey bc youve actually showed interest in actively engaging in the game. if you have no scumreads then what have you been doing to help you read people? teh way i see it 90% of what uve posted is non-productive arguing, typically in self-defense. i was waiting to see how youd handle more ppl stepping into the game but your first instinct when a player who hadnt produced content yet posted was to get passive-aggressively defensive rather than analyze the aktual post. what are you doing for town right now?"

Read this again and tell me it's just frustration. She is 100% right that Soup is being non-productive with self-defense arguing. Since, according to you yourself, we shouldn't be including any meta when it comes to Ashemu, how is this bad reasoning that can be categorized as "frustration"? I either think you 100% missed this or you jumped on her because she made a 180 (which her 180 isn't scummy in the slightest, especially when it's explained in the way she did).

Note that this was before you accused her of anything.

The quote I provided above states otherwise. (In red underline)

Ryu is town. This is how Ryu always plays as town. Simple enough.

What do you think of my quotes/reasoning of scumRyu? What does 'this is how ryu always play' mean? Also why do you argue against ran meta but simply give ryutown meta as reasoning (for ryutown). What do you think of Ryu's vote on NL, while you yourself said you didn't see anything wrong with No Lynch?

 

[ranmaru]

fair enough

my point is that at scum he wouldve made his observation on me then found a way to form it into a case so hes looking like a Productive Scumhunting Member Of The Town instead of being just "well, i dunno lol, ask me later" about everything. i also think the way he concealed what he noticed had town intent in that he didnt want to play his cards too early. perhaps i am overestimating his ability to look genuine since ive never played with him though.

Yeah but also you get into wifom land. You can also consider that he was simply being safe and wouldn't want to give the reasoning out to avoid looking bad. I don't want to clear him off of that simply, and am simply looking at his other actions, which amount to almost nothing, and considering this as null because I don't see how we could prove that he wasn't scum. (Due to him not forming a case) Unless you think it can show that he's more townie than not.

 

[Ashemu]

all reads are wifom anyway, its just how u interpret it, &i dont get the impression of him trying to be safe. if he wanted to be then he didnt even have to say "i have a mostly useless observation on ashemu i wont talk about becaus i cant sully her sugoi name"

is joey usually a cautious player as scum?

 

[Dooms]

Did I say that? I recall your 'guys what the hell?' post was because you were answering Ryu. Yet... 'guys' don't refer to him right? That's my point.

I referred to everyone that was giving Ryu ****. At the time it was Ashemu and No Lynch. More so No Lynch than anything since he should know Ryu better by now (and it showed that he indeed does later on).

I don't believe you. I think I did enough to garner a read and it's your fault for not being more clear. I didn't just give questions, and I"m sure you could see the colors that I posted in analyzing soup at the time. This strengthens my read on you that you don't care to read people, and using that you tune me out in rvs as an excuse for not looking at my whole play. I'll drop this minor subpoint if you can prove that you have stated this elsewhere. (and I beg you not ignore me as I don't just ask questions, I think I have improved enough to deserve the chance of being read and I don't think you can deny that fact)

I referred to people that I thought were active at the time, and I simply ignored you because that's what I do to early game Ranmaru. I'm not trying to be offensive, but it's true. I'm in the same boat as Soup that I think the amount of questions you ask are annoying, you tend to over analyze every word of someone's post (in RVS more-so than other parts of the game), and I don't waste time reading them in the RVS stage of the game because I despise RVS in general. It's not like I literally didn't see that you posted something, it's that I saw your name, said "Oh, it's Ranmaru jumping on NL via over analyzing." and skimmed over it. I just don't pay attention to you until we get past RVS and your cases have actual information on them that I can at least slightly understand. Sorry. Also, yes, this means I feel that your RVS posts were all 100% null because you literally do this in every single game in the exact same way.

Off topic, but you can keep this as a reference for anything regarding me and RVS: I honestly don't like RVS in general (I have stated this in different games, but idk where), and I ignore people that make RVS a chore if I can't get away with ignoring RVS altogether. I gain absolutely nothing from RVS and I usually just make jokes the whole time and when I do that it ends up making me have a huge delayed start in the game because I end up making jokes for too long and have an issue catching up. Having this in mind, why would I even slightly pay attention to someone over-analyzing RVS posts and trying to call people scum over them? I agree that you have improved, but I'm not going to read you over-analyze Soup in RVS because of it. Sorry.

No, my point still stands. If you were proactive, you'd unvote Ryu and have voted me straight after. You were just too comfortable to do anything about it. You even admit that you were just 'waiting' for me. You re-posted the reasoning but not to prod me into answering, but to answer a question related to me. Again, you were being reactive. You were even caught up in thread liking recent posts but you didn't post until I talked about you. The only thing you posted about me was this:



Which shows you are asking for everyone's opinions on me and not trying to convince them that I'm scum. It allows you to simply ask that question and go back in the shadows (active lurking). You haven't asked me questions about my play neither, you just somehow expected me to respond to you to solve your qualms. You say that you didn't directly prod me into your argument, but even after that you still didn't say so until I voted you. Your only lead is me as well. This makes sense when you are doing basically nothing. You are doing nothing else but waiting for me, and while waiting you didn't do much but ask "what's up with ran guys?" when you need not have asked. Are you saying it's my fault that you aren't doing anything in thread?

First off, I hadn't voted you in the first place because there were enough votes to put you at L-2, which is not something I need to do. After stating my vote is literally on you aside from that, I have no reason to go out of my way to literally put the vote on you if my opinion on you hasn't changed (which it clearly hadn't (and still hasn't)). It's literally a logistical thing that I have no reason to go through. The only reason I did was because Macman told me to, and since I had someone I'd put the vote, I had no reason to be like "lolno".

How is it me "somehow expecting you to respond to me" when I present information regarding why I dislike you and you literally respond to everyone else posting things regarding your play except for me? Especially knowing you as a player, you're the type of person to defend yourself right away from any and all pressure regarding your slot, which usually makes you really easy to read. Why on earth would I NOT expect you to respond to me? If I post the reasoning once, I'd expect a response. If I somehow don't post a response, I figured you missed it and post it out there again to see if you missed it or if you just ignored it. You ignored it, and I don't see why you would ignore my post with or without prodding considering how you respond to everything else.

See, this is why I think you are scum. You are only talking about my reasoning for re-voting No Lynch, but not the original reasoning. You only care to paint me as scum, instead of actually consider the reasoning. It's right in the first sentence. Tell me what you think "I'm not relieved by your responses" may mean and what context it would refer to. Don't tell me "Oh I filter you out during RVS" because you have no excuse.

No Lynch calls you out for over analyzing in RVS because you state that his WATT feeling is more than it really is, and I agree with him 100%. You vote him because you disagree with his opinion on what WATT had done in the game and that he didn't respond to what WATT said regarding Gheb/Mac or something like that. Of course No Lynch isn't going to respond to every little thing when he just has a slight ill feeling towards a slot (especially if he's just trying to get a feel of the slot). Why would someone HAVE to respond to everything regarding RVS if it's just a slot?

I don't care for your RVS push on No Lynch. The fact that you pushed No Lynch (mostly Soup) for yelling at you when you over-analyze his RVS play because you're not satisfied with his response and then say that he's done it as scum before literally blows my mind, and regardless of what you said in RVS (which I still find 100% null), this is what bothers me about your slot regarding No Lynch.

The only other substantial thing you had given was this (earlier in the game). It's also odd that you chose to ignore my posts even when seeing that I voted for No Lynch. It shows you aren't being attentive enough. Even if you truly avoid my questions, you couldn't simply avoid my assertions and votes. Your only point towards Ashemu, you don't even care to show to town and Moira has to prod you into doing it. This shows you don't have any pro-town intent, and you are only being reactive.

I'll admit 100% I'm not being attentive. I've started taking medication that has made my sleep go to ****, so I will miss a lot of things. The biggest example would be Macman asking me for thoughts with my name clearly labeled at the beginning of a paragraph and I simply missed it completely. If I do miss something, please tell me.

I posted about it not because Moira asked, but because Ashemu joined the wagon with reasoning, which completely nullified my point. I stated this later on, but the point became 100% void after Ashemu didn't use that part of the post to pointlessly join the NL wagon. She had legitimate reasoning for being on the wagon, so I had no reason to suspect the slot.

On the other hand. I didn't miss anything regarding your slot. I kinda... looked over it completely...

I really feel like a **** about this, because I didn't actually realize I did this until you brought it up. I'm sorry. You can press me about it, and I'll respond, but I do want to apologize in a completely non-ingame related thing. You have improved a lot as a player and I should read your posts more, regardless of how much I don't like RVS. I really am sorry and hope you can forgive me in an out of game perspective.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i hate zens posts iget this gut feeling hes scum posting unpopular reads/connections for the sake of being a ****ing trash hipster idiot and sowing doubt in the town.

lol

i'm with ashemu on his opinion of joey.

 

[Ashemu]

what does the "lol" mean here cuz it could mean a number of things

 

[ranmaru]

what does the "lol" mean here cuz it could mean a number of things

Laughing out loud.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

it was a funny statement

but i see your point on NL, and it is off-putting. not enough for me to think he's scum

 

[Ashemu]

 

[Ashemu]

taht eyeroll was at ran

mac: ic, thank's

 

[#HBC | Mac]

ASHEMU WHY ARE YOU SO FAMILlAR

 

[Ashemu]

depending on who u ask im either an alt of vult redux or acrostic

(but im not actually either of those so i dunno lol.)

 

[ranmaru]

and Zen (Zack Fair)

 

[ranmaru]

all reads are wifom anyway, its just how u interpret it, &i dont get the impression of him trying to be safe. if he wanted to be then he didnt even have to say "i have a mostly useless observation on ashemu i wont talk about becaus i cant sully her sugoi name"

is joey usually a cautious player as scum?

Err. I don't think so. Joey to me is sort of easy to read. It comes either as "obvtown joey" or "malicious scumjoey". But this is only from my most recent memory of him being scum (recent being a long time ago lol, celeb rehab mafia) and walling me as well. So I can't show a vast distinction between both alignments, just what I think is suspicious from him this game. I say malicious because when he is town he'll do the townie thing and reconsider after the obvious arguments. Sometimes I do dumb things and he takes issues with them (rightly so maybe) until I show him that I'm town through argument somehow. Back to 'malicious', I say malicious because as scum he'll just pick a target and tunnel and try to twist it.

I have no other interactions with Joey (when he is scum and me town) that I can recall.

 

[ranmaru]

Joey this is sucking the life out of me. Anyways I'm about to respond to it and I think that should be it. (At least for the night but don't want to drown the thread)

 

[Dooms]

This is what I was referring to:

The quote I provided above states otherwise. (In red underline)

**** YOU

GOD DAMNIT RANMARU

UGH

****ING ****

Why on earth did you COMPLETELY IGNORE the reasoning given literally a page before you vote Ashemu? She explained her vote. She gave reasoning. Why did you ignore it? I don't get it. ****.

You just didn't read her explanation. She explained it before you even questioned her. Why would you push her without reading the thread?

It makes sense why you would do that if you didn't read her post though. I hate that you didn't read through the thread before you accused her of having **** reasoning (aka no reasoning), but it does make sense. I hate you for this, though.

I also don't agree with what you said about No Lynch at all, but then I remembered that you like to have people back themselves up with references through past games all the time (you saying I did something in Walmart Mafia actually made me remember this lol).

You're just being Ranmaru again. I don't remember what game it was, but this literally happened last time. I thought you were being more scummy than regular town Ranmaru because I just disagreed with everything you were doing and literally had no idea how someone could see something like that, then I just remembered that I disagree with you that much in general and looking at how you play, I could see what you're doing.

****, Ranmaru. I don't get you. Why would you push No Lynch like that when you KNOW that Soup would respond like that. How on earth would he not? You know how angry he gets when you over analyze his RVS posts. I can see why you wouldn't be satisfied, but how on earth would you not expect that type of response from him? Especially if you rely on Soup for your read on the slot, I guess that's what doesn't make sense to me the most at this point. That doesn't make you scummy though.

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Ryu stuff:

He will do whatever he can to get his reads. He'll ask whatever questions help him the best (especially in RVS, where he'll ask questions that literally no on else will get things from except himself), he won't go out of his way to do more than he needs to in order to get what he needs for reads, and he'll generally commit to something and stick to it until someone REALLY proves him otherwise. He's really bull headed in that sense and won't move much at all. His No Lynch suspicion is a great example of this. He put his vote on No Lynch because he didn't like the way No Lynch handled pressure on him and he's going to stay there until someone states very clearly why Ryu shouldn't be there. That's just how he plays as town. The fact that he's looking at other players while having his head so tight on No Lynch (on top of the fact that he's still dealing with school stress and isn't going to be the most active or responsive due to that) makes me town read him as well.

You over analyzed Ryu. A lot. Ryu was just trying to get a read on me with his question to Ashemu. His Ashemu stance didn't really change much. The cheerleader thing is slightly odd (mostly because I honestly don't remember anything that big that would make someone disregard the rest of her play), but when he says he understands Ashemu's play, it kinda further explains the town-lean. My guess was that the cheerleader thing was his attempt at questioning Ashemu about it with a bit of aggression (since he said it made her look more scummy essentially). I don't see how he's not stepping on anyone's toes at all, since he's literally just asking Ashemu a question in order to further understand Ashemu and to get more of a read on my slot.

I'll respond to everything later. I need to re-read, and I'm not doing it tonight. Post incoming tomorrow.

 

[Ashemu]

@ Dooms
suddenly an independent day kidnapper has decided 2 target ran, u will not be able to lynch or target him until the day ends. waht is youre opinion on the remaining 12 players and which wagons would you consider supporting?

 

[Ashemu]

lol i got cut by an unvote ~_~

 

[Dooms]

@ Dooms
suddenly an independent day kidnapper has decided 2 target ran, u will not be able to lynch or target him until the day ends. waht is youre opinion on the remaining 12 players and which wagons would you consider supporting?

This is what I'm getting at tomorrow by the way in case it wasn't obvious.

 

[ranmaru]

@Rockin : Saw you there man. Anything to contribute?

 

[ranmaru]

I referred to everyone that was giving Ryu ****. At the time it was Ashemu and No Lynch. More so No Lynch than anything since he should know Ryu better by now (and it showed that he indeed does later on).

Yeah but No Lynch wasn't calling him scum for it.

I referred to people that I thought were active at the time, and I simply ignored you because that's what I do to early game Ranmaru. I'm not trying to be offensive, but it's true. I'm in the same boat as Soup that I think the amount of questions you ask are annoying, you tend to over analyze every word of someone's post (in RVS more-so than other parts of the game), and I don't waste time reading them in the RVS stage of the game because I despise RVS in general. It's not like I literally didn't see that you posted something, it's that I saw your name, said "Oh, it's Ranmaru jumping on NL via over analyzing." and skimmed over it. I just don't pay attention to you until we get past RVS and your cases have actual information on them that I can at least slightly understand. Sorry. Also, yes, this means I feel that your RVS posts were all 100% null because you literally do this in every single game in the exact same way.

Off topic, but you can keep this as a reference for anything regarding me and RVS: I honestly don't like RVS in general (I have stated this in different games, but idk where), and I ignore people that make RVS a chore if I can't get away with ignoring RVS altogether. I gain absolutely nothing from RVS and I usually just make jokes the whole time and when I do that it ends up making me have a huge delayed start in the game because I end up making jokes for too long and have an issue catching up. Having this in mind, why would I even slightly pay attention to someone over-analyzing RVS posts and trying to call people scum over them? I agree that you have improved, but I'm not going to read you over-analyze Soup in RVS because of it. Sorry.

mfw. I get annoyed slightly by being walled almost to death but it's part of the game. Sure soup can be annoyed by it but it doesn't negate my reasoning. It's null. (I don't even think what you said was alignment related and I still somehow come to this conclusion xD ) Meaning, soup can be scum and using that as an excuse to avoid my questioning to his scumness, or he's whatever alignment and is just genuinely annoyed. I'll give you an example, Soup exploded in the most recent BIM when I was questioning over his logic. He faked AtE when I wasn't even accusing him of anything, just literally trying to make sense of what he was saying. Bam he was scum. If he was town he'd level with me, and then we'd find each other to be town prolly. My point is that your problem is deeply rooted in the RVS that you despise and you'll have to think about it. Now that it's srs timez I'm sure you won't mind.

anyways I felt my rvs reasoning had enough depth to it, that is why I didn't think I'd need more.

First off, I hadn't voted you in the first place because there were enough votes to put you at L-2, which is not something I need to do. After stating my vote is literally on you aside from that, I have no reason to go out of my way to literally put the vote on you if my opinion on you hasn't changed (which it clearly hadn't (and still hasn't)). It's literally a logistical thing that I have no reason to go through. The only reason I did was because Macman told me to, and since I had someone I'd put the vote, I had no reason to be like "lolno".

How is it me "somehow expecting you to respond to me" when I present information regarding why I dislike you and you literally respond to everyone else posting things regarding your play except for me? Especially knowing you as a player, you're the type of person to defend yourself right away from any and all pressure regarding your slot, which usually makes you really easy to read. Why on earth would I NOT expect you to respond to me? If I post the reasoning once, I'd expect a response. If I somehow don't post a response, I figured you missed it and post it out there again to see if you missed it or if you just ignored it. You ignored it, and I don't see why you would ignore my post with or without prodding considering how you respond to everything else.

Yes I know. But again, there was enough breathing room for you to do so by the time you unvoted Ryu. You should have checked for the votes. I disagree, I think you should try to actively place your vote whenever you can. This is why I actually re-voted No Lynch, otherwise I could just come in and not care about it.

I thought covering Macman's argument would cover it. Honestly the thought of responding never came after that, until you told me that I didn't. I'll re-consider your passiveness in this case, though. (Along with a question)

Why were you being that passive? Did you have any other leads at the time? I'll also with hold my opinion of you until you show your new directions, I'm interested in seeing them.

No Lynch calls you out for over analyzing in RVS because you state that his WATT feeling is more than it really is, and I agree with him 100%. You vote him because you disagree with his opinion on what WATT had done in the game and that he didn't respond to what WATT said regarding Gheb/Mac or something like that. Of course No Lynch isn't going to respond to every little thing when he just has a slight ill feeling towards a slot (especially if he's just trying to get a feel of the slot). Why would someone HAVE to respond to everything regarding RVS if it's just a slot?

I don't care for your RVS push on No Lynch. The fact that you pushed No Lynch (mostly Soup) for yelling at you when you over-analyze his RVS play because you're not satisfied with his response and then say that he's done it as scum before literally blows my mind, and regardless of what you said in RVS (which I still find 100% null), this is what bothers me about your slot regarding No Lynch.

I don't think he has an excuse and neither should you give it to him. Sure it can be annoying but if he's scum do you think we'd ever catch him whenever he just blows off an interrogation because it's annoying. (That's a no)

I wasn't trying to justify/beef up my case with that statement though. I just didn't feel like typing up more of what people already knew I said. I can see why you would think it would be my original, but now I implore you to look at the original as not null anymore. It's not RVS anymore.

I posted about it not because Moira asked, but because Ashemu joined the wagon with reasoning, which completely nullified my point. I stated this later on, but the point became 100% void after Ashemu didn't use that part of the post to pointlessly join the NL wagon. She had legitimate reasoning for being on the wagon, so I had no reason to suspect the slot.

I really feel like a **** about this, because I didn't actually realize I did this until you brought it up. I'm sorry. You can press me about it, and I'll respond, but I do want to apologize in a completely non-ingame related thing. You have improved a lot as a player and I should read your posts more, regardless of how much I don't like RVS. I really am sorry and hope you can forgive me in an out of game perspective.

1. Ok on the attentiveness thing. I'll consider it. You aren't off the hook for it but I'll consider it.
2. Alright, that seems legit. I think I'll drop that point.
3. Don't worry about it. Just take it to heart.

Simply, I do RVS so I don't lose my footing. I feel I'll have no solid leads if I don't RVS, but you feel the same way if you actually get involved in it. *Shrug*

Considering that you are going into a different direction and other things, I'll hold my opinion of you in reserve until you give that out.

 

[ranmaru]

You just didn't read her explanation. She explained it before you even questioned her. Why would you push her without reading the thread?

It makes sense why you would do that if you didn't read her post though. I hate that you didn't read through the thread before you accused her of having **** reasoning (aka no reasoning), but it does make sense. I hate you for this, though.

I also don't agree with what you said about No Lynch at all, but then I remembered that you like to have people back themselves up with references through past games all the time (you saying I did something in Walmart Mafia actually made me remember this lol).

You're just being Ranmaru again. I don't remember what game it was, but this literally happened last time. I thought you were being more scummy than regular town Ranmaru because I just disagreed with everything you were doing and literally had no idea how someone could see something like that, then I just remembered that I disagree with you that much in general and looking at how you play, I could see what you're doing.

****, Ranmaru. I don't get you. Why would you push No Lynch like that when you KNOW that Soup would respond like that. How on earth would he not? You know how angry he gets when you over analyze his RVS posts. I can see why you wouldn't be satisfied, but how on earth would you not expect that type of response from him? Especially if you rely on Soup for your read on the slot, I guess that's what doesn't make sense to me the most at this point. That doesn't make you scummy though.

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Ryu stuff:

He will do whatever he can to get his reads. He'll ask whatever questions help him the best (especially in RVS, where he'll ask questions that literally no on else will get things from except himself), he won't go out of his way to do more than he needs to in order to get what he needs for reads, and he'll generally commit to something and stick to it until someone REALLY proves him otherwise. He's really bull headed in that sense and won't move much at all. His No Lynch suspicion is a great example of this. He put his vote on No Lynch because he didn't like the way No Lynch handled pressure on him and he's going to stay there until someone states very clearly why Ryu shouldn't be there. That's just how he plays as town. The fact that he's looking at other players while having his head so tight on No Lynch (on top of the fact that he's still dealing with school stress and isn't going to be the most active or responsive due to that) makes me town read him as well.

You over analyzed Ryu. A lot. Ryu was just trying to get a read on me with his question to Ashemu. His Ashemu stance didn't really change much. The cheerleader thing is slightly odd (mostly because I honestly don't remember anything that big that would make someone disregard the rest of her play), but when he says he understands Ashemu's play, it kinda further explains the town-lean. My guess was that the cheerleader thing was his attempt at questioning Ashemu about it with a bit of aggression (since he said it made her look more scummy essentially). I don't see how he's not stepping on anyone's toes at all, since he's literally just asking Ashemu a question in order to further understand Ashemu and to get more of a read on my slot.

I'll respond to everything later. I need to re-read, and I'm not doing it tonight. Post incoming tomorrow.

I frickin' lol'd. This reminds me of Walmart Mafia. Except that still, you were a bit more passive here. Again my question remains, why so passive? (Was it just because of me?) Besides that, you read me correctly. I skimmed it. Yet when I interacted with her, she explained it to me, and I liked the response.

I chuckled at the red, a few times.

I responded about that, regarding soup. Put simply, his true colors would show if I pushed him. I disagree. I feel if he has a townie mindset, he'd level with me and be able to explain. What I want, is for him to be able to take my questions and explain his thought process. Yes I would be picking his brain, but again, I refer to the example in BIM. He purposely went out of his way (to his death) to avoid me pursuing his messed up line of thought. I can even bring up examples if you want. (And I invite him to counter with his own town examples)

Jesus. How much analysis is enough. The cheerleader thing he brought up is still questionable. (Which I'll ask him about if he didn't actually explain it) The rest of your ryu stuff I might go over later. 3am.

After all this we should Hydra man.

 

[ranmaru]

@ No Lynch

Yo. Where is the soup side at? Didn't you guys say you'd post some content today? Just wondering where his head is at.

 

[ranmaru]

Cool I have different more interesting stances!

vote gheb

HoS Joey

FoS Rockin

IGMEOY NL

Not quite as content with what MUST be a decent amount of town as I'd like to be but I feel like these four slots are slots that NEED attention. More on that and other significant stuff later.

Weren't you already voting Gheb?

And yeah man would like to see you do a lil' more work since the rest of the town is lacking.

Can't let you slip through the cracks

ok going to sleep finally

 

[ranmaru]

I don't see Ash scum, someone want to fill me in on that one? Ash seems more proactive and clear on intentions and pushes. Especially early on with me and how Ash pushed me when I played how I did. Officer is WATT right? If so, whats the issue there? He's null to me right now but outside of him randomly helping Rake with a Ruy push, which I don't think Rake voted on himself, I don't see what the merit of that is over pushing the other slots they have.

I want to look into Miora a bit more when I got a clear head, school + work burned me out + 5 hours of sleep. I didn't read this thread intently at work and skimmed, last final is tomorrow then I am Scott free after a midnight shift. Miora has reads that I'm trying to wrap around right now, I think they pushed No Lynch earlier but then backed off an agreed it was Soup being Soup if I remembered right?, correct me if I am wrong tired and irritable atm.

I think the case with watt is no one is liking that they have been active in thread without doing much.

On the Moira part, I looked it up for you. I couldn't find such a thing. This is the last thing (below) I could find before they changed their scumspects to watt and ashemu. I have already asked @Moira a question about their current stance on NL so that should be cleared up.

So both sides re-read your post again together and here is what we think again. We feel that what you did with trying to emulate your play to Zen's is a poor choice. J and Sang are trading off constantly in this thread ('cept J is putting a lot more dirty things). It makes your posts come off as disingenuous. We empathize with you on the Red Ryu thing and not letting him get away with null actions. We do not with the way you went about it though. We feel Ryu is more likely town. Overall, we are sitting with our hands in the air just being....we do not know what to truly say towards you nor that post in its entirety. We are looking for the subtext and what you are trying to say on the surface, but we are not giving a concrete opinion on you just yet because we see no reason to. We are trying to develop our read on you and your anger just makes the game not fun for anyone and it is making it harder for us to read you. We did find a question though:

 

[Ashemu]

ok going to sleep finally

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@ No Lynch / @Zack Fair

No, I'm not sure what you mean. If you feel insulted by the way I talk about you, you just have to tell me and I'll stop. I do not mean to insult you - I do it for general amusement and it doesn't bother me unless it bothers you. But I don't actually like it if it bothers you and will stop if it does. Just tell me if you have a problem with it or not and I'll act accordingly.

@ #HBC | Mac

I'm OK with what Rake is doing right now. The only thing I don't like about his play is the fact that his vote is on me for no reason. Gorf is lol and I know how stubborn you can be so I'm not gonna bother arguing with you and will just let my play convince you that you're wrong - it'll dawn on you soon enough anyway. Rake's play isn't particularly focused and just seems all over the place. I can take a closer look at his posts if you believe there's something noteworthy in there but right now I see nothing that warrants a vote on him.

@ Ashemu

I'll stick with my WATT push. In case you haven't noticed yet I posted a very consice, no-nonsense case on why I believe him to be scum and am not sure why it was missed by most people. I feel confident when I say that I believe WATT to be scum on basis of that case. I said that I believe the Ran wagon to have potential but I no longer think so. Macman's original point seems to have gotten lost along the way and there's no momentum on the wagon anymore that could make it interesting to join. Nor has Ran done anything in the meantime that really stands out as even remotely as suspicious as WATT so my mind is pretty much made up between them two players. But Ran isn't very high on my priority list right now either way.

 

[No Lynch]

We have a hyper post coming up, stay tuned.

 

[No Lynch]

Soup side has been inactive as I've been stressed and crunching on schoolwork, trying to focus less on Mafia. I let Zen take the wheel feeling like I perhaps really did need a break but I've still been making comments and working with Zen in our QT. We'll probably have a huge steam of content coming up pretty soon, but Zen will probably stay the active head at the moment until I get some time to actually start posting. Apologies.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

We have a hyper post coming up, stay tuned.

stop being such a tease!!!!

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

hey frozen !

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

basically i think gheb's play has shown a lack of any town motivation. not MOTIVATION, but town motivation. i gave him the benefit of the doubt honestly after realizing that maybe he just didn't have anything to say about the stupid going on in the thread at the beginning of the game (cuz cmon let's admit it was a cesspool of stupid) but since then a vast majority of his play has revolved around bashing others in lieu of progressing through reads himself.

I don't see how any of that holds merit. Ignoring the silly "holding me to a higher standard" remark, I haven't even gotten prodded by anybody to give content because most people know that I live in a different timezone and am often not on when people post a lot. I have already told you about the reads I have gathered so far - the ones that I believe to be solid. I don't see what more you expect of me right now. I've told you that I think you're town, that Ashemu is town, that I think my vote on WATT is well placed and that I think that your push on Ran has potential. What info have Rake, frozen, Rockin, Moira, Joey and Ryu given you that's been that much more worthwhile? Unless you can actually answer this [rhetorical] question it's pretty clear to me that your read on me is not based on my play at all but on whatever arbitrary standards you are holding me to. That's your problem and not mine.

here i had kinda thought about stepping back n seeing where he'd go with "the reads that he has gathered so far," until i realized exactly what those were: popular ass town reads on mac and ash, a lightly brushed upon contentedness of his WATT vote (i'm going off your 310 since a WATT vote from you doesn't seem to even ****ing exist at this point unless it's way back in rvs) and a ok'd ran push that you've hardly scratched the surface with. fro this point your play has been so shallow it hurts, an your concern of letting people know you haven't dropped the poetry seemed more important than actually doing anything to help progress yourself and the rest of town as a townie, which is something i'd imagine is important to a townie.

I prefer to not answer the 2nd question.

As for WATT:
When I asked him why he singled out Macman and me in the beginning he said that he finds us hard to read and therefore prioritized us. In post #42 he claims that reading me has no particular priority for him. Not straight-up contradictory but a fast, unprovoked 180 turn if you ask me. Then in post #50 he suddenly says that he had no intention to do anything with his vote on me

No input in p3 and only filler content on p4 [ @ #HBC | Mac check it out - that's what you should consider 'worthless presence']. Same goes for p5. The stuff he posts is either a.) unrelated to the game b.) classifies people's behavior as them 'being theselves' or null or c.) has Ashemu as town-lean which is like the easiest read in this game so far. Only on page 6 does he mention his scum leans and only because he was specifically asked for them. Of course, he doesn't really back the reads up.
No content on page 7. Should be noted that his most-used term is "regardless of alignment". He keeps saying it about like everything that's being mentioned.
Page 9 is the first time he actually posts something substantial, throwing out 3 townreads [Ashemu, Macman, Ran] and 1 scumlean [No Lynch]. Explanations are very much superficial, he's actually shaky on his NL read and similar reads have been mentioned by most other active players.

That's my analysis on his play up to the moment you asked me about him. I think WATT not being quite able to explain his read on me in early game, then mentioning me as null but still having his vote on me right now has a similar reason as for why he failed to or avoided to produce any useful content of his own: a distinctive lack of confidence, which isn't unusual for many a scumbag. Dietz in particular I would expect to be kind of at a loss as a mafioso.

this analysis. shallow. everything said about his mentioning of superficial reads and not backing things up are accurate analysis of his play thus far, and his first paragraph is total bull****. the best thing he's got is the weird insistence of so many things being "regardless of alignment" but it's as if being bad and dumb automatically = being scummy, which i know gheb doesn't believe.

joey is gay and apparently since i hate gay people i hos him.

rockin is gay too so i fos him.

nl is acting gay so igmoeh