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[Berserker.]

what they should do with Sonic is:
- Remove Side B to shield
- Nerf his Smash attacks a bit
- Nerf aerial moves slightly
- Throws shouldn't KO early

Sonic will suck then, and we wouldn't want that

Great idea. Put an end to this:

..........

I think I nearly barfed

 

[kenniky]

Brb maining custom DK and modding the game so it only picks Omega Lylat

Go to random stage switch

press X

switch off all but Lylat

make sure you always do omega random

???

profit

 

[Soul.]

Sonic will suck then, and we wouldn't want that

..........

I think I nearly barfed

how the **** are you supposed to nerf him then

 

[HeroMystic]

Can you super armor thru Scalding FLUDD? I know Kirby's Giant Hammer can.

Super Armor affects Scalding FLUDD yes.

 

[Nu~]

Cannot you super armor thru Scalding FLUDD? I know Kirby's Giant Hammer can.

I can side B through it, and I can throw my higher tiered fruit through it (melon and above), but how am I going to do it on reaction?
It gives mario a way to pester people in mid range which alleviates his range issues, and it leads into grabs (and possibly usmash).

I'm not saying that the matchup will be bad for Pac-Man in a customs environment, but it certainly will be more annoying.

how the **** are you supposed to nerf him then

get rid of kill throws and make spin dash do less damage. At least that's what I would see as fair

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

So I played this guy's Robin using Link
I lost and he said
On 4/8/15, at 7:29 PM, [DERP] wrote:
> DAir is not the greatest tool in the world
I go Kirby next match, while he goes Link
>Lylat
>He approaches with dair
>near the ledge
>down a stock
>did I mention I was kirby

 

[Berserker.]

how the **** are you supposed to nerf him then

Now you see? Buffing or nerfing Sonic is a lot more difficult than it looks

 

[Nu~]

Now you see? Buffing or nerfing Sonic is a lot more difficult than it looks

Just turn him into brawl sonic.
Eliminate all kill power. That'll fix him

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Go to random stage switch

press X

switch off all but Lylat

make sure you always do omega random

???

profit

You know what's the funny thing
My omega random is already set to that

 

[Berserker.]

Just turn him into brawl sonic.
Eliminate all kill power. That'll fix him

Brawl Sonic was..... not that good

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

My hopes for Sonic in 1.06:

Spoiler

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Brawl Sonic was..... not that good

I think Brawl sonic was a much better step in the right direction though.

Sonic should be a hit and run character, meaning he shouldn't have the insane kill power in smash 4 and should be working for the kills.

Granted, you shouldn't give him no kill power what so ever, but it shouldn't be easy for him to get kills.

 

[Unknownkid]

Super Armor affects Scalding FLUDD yes.

Yeah I thought so.

I can side B through it, and I can throw my higher tiered fruit through it (melon and above), but how am I going to do it on reaction?
It gives mario a way to pester people in mid range which alleviates his range issues, and it leads into grabs (and possibly usmash).

I'm not saying that the matchup will be bad for Pac-Man in a customs environment, but it certainly will be more annoying.


get rid of kill throws and make spin dash do less damage. At least that's what I would see as fair

I guess you have to read it, my friend (which is obviously easier said than done especially with Pac-Man Side B). Even as Kirby, I have to read Mario's Scalding FLUDD if I want to beat him with Giant Hammer (the super armor doesn't appear until a bit after the hammer is lift over his head). I guess I can challenge with a Rock Slide or Final Cutter (latter being better of the two).

 

[warionumbah2]

welp looks like i need to use shield bypassing cape against Malio. Ew

and kirby's giant hammer isn't good to use on Mario or MK heck anyone with good mobility, just let the puff ball rack damage on himself until it lets it loose. don't think any kirby would use this move though, its too risky.

 

[Soul.]

Now you see? Buffing or nerfing Sonic is a lot more difficult than it looks

I dunno, it's a little stupid to keep such a character intact. He almost has it all. Throws that KO, good KO power in Smash attacks, good aerials, good customs (lol hammer spin dash), aerials that KO. Spin jump to gtfo otherwise bad situations.
Meh.

 

[Unknownkid]

welp looks like i need to use shield bypassing cape against Malio. Ew

and kirby's giant hammer isn't good to use on Mario or MK heck anyone with good mobility, just let the puff ball rack damage on himself until it lets it loose. don't think any kirby would use this move though, its too risky.

Hmm... the damage stop racking up at 100%. I, personally, use it - to stop myself from being juggled and edgeguard/ledge getup shenanigans. We have someone in our social board use it against Ledge Abusing Custom Villager. It is a niche move but still a good one.

Also this - http://gfycat.com/MassiveJitteryBlackbird

 

[Locke 06]

I dunno, it's a little stupid to keep such a character intact. He almost has it all. Throws that KO, good KO power in Smash attacks, good aerials, good customs (lol hammer spin dash), aerials that KO. Spin jump to gtfo otherwise bad situations.
Meh.

Use Polio vs Cancer.

 

[Nu~]

I dunno, it's a little stupid to keep such a character intact. He almost has it all. Throws that KO, good KO power in Smash attacks, good aerials, good customs (lol hammer spin dash), aerials that KO. Spin jump to gtfo otherwise bad situations.
Meh.

He still has horrible landing options and mediocre approaches.

Trampoline>Sonic's approach + Spin dashery

 

[SBphiloz4]

How to beat Cancer 101

Din's Blaze -> Lightning Kick true combo too stronk pls ban

 

[Macchiato]

Use Polio vs Cancer.

Isn't polio chicken in Spanish?

 

[Nu~]

Isn't polio chicken in Spanish?

Pollo

 

[Locke 06]

Isn't polio chicken in Spanish?

Pollo. Close though.

 

[Macchiato]

Pollo

Pollo. Close though.

Yeah I took French not Spanish so yeah.

 

[Nu~]

Yeah I took French not Spanish so yeah.

Guess that 2 years of high school Spanish payed off...
...barely

 

[Locke 06]

Guess that 2 years of high school Spanish payed off...
...barely

Good save.

 

[Furret]

Spoiler: reason why I haven't been here much lately

Great idea. Put an end to this:

I find this disgusting and I blame sega

 

[|ven|]

Pollo

Marco

 

[Berserker.]

Number 5 is alright. The rest, I'm actually really cool with

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

welp looks like i need to use shield bypassing cape against Malio. Ew

and kirby's giant hammer isn't good to use on Mario or MK heck anyone with good mobility, just let the puff ball rack damage on himself until it lets it loose. don't think any kirby would use this move though, its too risky.

Past 100% I'd use it
Plus I'd use it only once as a last resort
"OH IT HAS SUPER ARMO-" is usually the fun result

 

[evmaxy54]

Need some yuri to help make your matches better?

You spelt yaoi wrong wtf is wrong with you smdh -_-

 

[Jaguar360]

Can you guys list the threatening jank in customs? Need to research since i'm entering the custom tournament next month.

I would like common tourney picks not characters barely anyone uses.

MK mains are too negative about customs. Its either MK himself not having braindead jank to help him out or the custom meta in general(im the 2nd one).

Shower me with your knowledge.

I know that most of these were already covered, but I'll respond for the characters I know anyway:
Egg Launch - Less endlag than Egg Lay since it wasn't nerfed in 1.04, can kill at the ledge at high percents (especially for someone as light as Meta Knight)
Shifting Shuriken - Leads into U-smash kills and has transcendent priority; has two levels of charge, the 2nd one being the only one that's very effective
Heavy Skull Bash - kills super early when charged; has decent range and speed for its power, but is extremely punishable on block or whiff
Dash Slash / Dash Slam - give Bowser better movement options and can be used as a pseudo wavedash
Chain Judge - more reliable than Judgement, can rack up good damage, good followup from d-throw

• Fast Pills - fast ranged option in neutral; no flinching

• Gust Cape - Reflector, gimping move and spacing tool with slightly more endlag than normal
  
• Soaring Tornado - Kills early and improves vertical recovery; last hit has a lot of priority, like regular Doc Tornado

Din's Flare / Din's Blaze - The former is fast and powerful, giving Zelda an effective long-range projectile and edgeguarding tool; the latter was explained by NekoJubei in the video Macchiato linked

• Penetrating Needles - Charges faster and does more shield damage; weaker than Needle Storm and only three needles come out when fully charged
• Gravity Grenade - Gives Sheik kill setups into U-smash or B-air usually (Bouncing Fish / Pisces might also work)
• Pisces - Stronger knockback than Bouncing Fish, sends opponents behind her, kick is controllable, good anti-edgeguard

Dragon Rush - Faster than Flare Blitz, has priority, kills early offstage
Hope this helps

 

[Soul.]

Customs:
1. Jank: Jank. lit. Stupidity a.k.a Smash 4's big thing.

2. ****: Buffing characters that are otherwise bad in a non-custom meta

 

[Antonykun]

This will ease the pain...like weed.

So this IS the Robin Social Thread
...Wait no one has prayed to St. Garon...
Dang it!

 

[Trieste SP]

So this IS the Robin Social Thread
...Wait no one has prayed to St. Garon...
Dang it!

Who ?

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Japanese players>us

 

[Trieste SP]

Japanese players>us

It's great being asian. :^)

 

[Antonykun]

Who ?

Garon is the Nohr king in Fire emblem IF he looks so blatantly evil but we also know that he's probably an ally in FE Nohr so we joke he's a saint

 

[kenniky]

Japanese players>us

That footstool though

Ganon for top tier

 

[Trieste SP]

Garon is the Nohr king in Fire emblem IF he looks so blatantly evil but we also know that he's probably an ally in FE Nohr so we joke he's a saint

Oh, thanks for the answer.

 

[Blossom ✿]

Japanese players>us

That was just pure beauty. They always seem to come up with cool looking combos that we never even get the idea to try.
A lot of them involve footstools too, haha.