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[Ffamran]

Man, I was just labbing with to learn how to deal with him but this character feels really good to move around with, even if his specs are pretty much the opposite of what I'm generally comfortable playing. Maybe I should give this character a shot as a secondary.

I foresee multiple potential issues that will probably put me off once I start playing him against humans though (namely laggy af smashes, slow af upB, and less range than what I'm generally comfortable with) so I don't expect this to last long.

Like I said, Fox is probably one of the easiest characters to use once you understand the basics. Mastering him is what makes the difference like you can play Fox in Melee, but can you play Fox in Melee to his fullest potential? He has speed without feeling uncontrollable, he has power without feeling like a heavyweight, and he has combos without feeling technical. If anyone should be overused in SSB4, it should be him. People would complain about too many Foxes, but not him being OP. Even Diddy seems less safe and less beginner's friendly since at a basic level Diddy doesn't have much besides throw to aerial. Fox has that, good footsies, the ability to combo off of Dash Attack and aerials, hit confirms with Nair or Jab, and he has an effective, but predictable recovery while Diddy requires you to charge it correctly for vertical recoveries.

Fox, Mario, Diddy, and the Pits should have been the characters overused online and in tournaments because they're just simple, but effective characters that anyone can pick up and play. Hell, let's add Yoshi too. Of those 6, it's Diddy by a long stretchy arm followed by Fox who is common, but not too common as Captain Falcon and Diddy. Mario and the Pits are like handful of players and Yoshi is uncommon too.

 

[Mr. Johan]

K

NEVER going back to Town and City again. Game chugs slower than the PSVita port of Jak and Daxter 2 and 3. C'mon Nintendo.

 

[Lavani]

My recent mindset of "less utilt, more usmash" with Rosalina isn't helping me play Fox well

how ironic that "usmash more with Fox" isn't the right answer for once

imo Fox is a character that is really well suited for beginners: useful projectile, reflector for screwing up, fast and unlaggy attacks, fast movement speed, average recovery

Also is apparently one of the most technical characters in Melee and PM but I don't see how
like is it just "how much shine can you do"

imo:
beginner characters: see abovesimple charactersfast speed + high power = lolauraHOOHAH2fast2furiousno tipper to worry aboutfat + fast
noob characters (only when used in nooby ways)projectile spam = windon't jump + smashes = winstone + kirbycide = win?
super technical/high learning curve characters: projectile multitaskinghype combos but zero rangefloatingartsbooks?

idk tho

Amusingly I sucked horribly with Fox when I tried him at release.

I have a lot of thoughts about the rest of your post but I'll just leave it at the following:
is a good scrubstomper but becomes exponentially more difficult to do well with when facing opponents that understand his limitations and don't needlessly pile on damage when he's already at kill percent.
are good straightforward characters with good straightforward buttons, and are probably the characters I would point a beginner looking to do well toward.
I would venture a guess that are among the hardest characters to play optimally.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Idk man

therapy isn't over until I find my definite main

Zelda

 

[Soul.]

When you say "buttons", are you talking about moves?

 

[Macchiato]

Samus

Ok

 

[Lavani]

When you say "buttons", are you talking about moves?

yes

 

[Soul.]

FG Pikachu "mains" are so bad.
Short hop grounded jolts, no dtilt, no grabs, no nothing.

 

[Blossom ✿]

Zelda

Oh my god, the singing is so cheesy to the point where it's funny.
Also, why would you remind us of that DKC cartoon? I think most of us would be better off if we forgot it ever existed.

 

[Kofu]

Sorry Josh, I gotta go. Matches were a little laggy but good otherwise. I'm experimenting more with his customs as you could probably see. Chef customs seem decent, I suspect he can get some impressive combos off of XXL Chef (about 8% per hit is lol). Judge customs are sidegrades, I'm less impressed with Chain Judge after learning the low numbers are punishable on hit. Up-Bs seem fun be they'll take getting used to. Default Oil Panic is best for most MUs (definitely Robin IMO). Panic Overload is way too laggy to be consistently useful though I loled at how far it reaches.

Both Thunder customs seem like they'd be better than default depending on the MU (Thunder+ is crazy strong, wow). Fire Wall seems pretty bad tbh.

I could still see the MU being even just because of how much Game & Watch has to respect the Levin Sword. Huge range, lingering hitboxes, and high power. I really like how fluid you make Robin look, it's a far cry from what I'm used t lo seeing from him.

That DAir kill first game was beautiful IMO.

 

[Fernosaur]

Idk man

I think you're feeling like you're doing badly because you're starting to feel WFT's disadvantages. We've always said the trainers are difficult characters because of their lacking range, and so they're always gonna have some trouble against a vast majority of the cast, but at least I think WFT has more general advantages than Zelda does :'D

Don't get disheartened by that, though. You're pretty good with the trainer and you've managed to surprise a lot of people with him. Tbh I think the Villager MU is bad-ish for WFT, but you still manage to make the fights pretty close and tight!

nevermind about Rosalina, I suck with her

Welp I'm back to bottom blonde boy and blond tier princess

More like....^

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

nevermind about Rosalina, I suck with her

Welp I'm back to bishi blonde boy and bottom tier princess

Anyway. Got caught up in Splatoon news so didn't get huge chance to be on. Still have 2 hoursish to be on.

But man, Splatoon is so hype! Even with the lack of voice chat, (which I would never use but I'm worried how that will affect sells), there are so many awesome new details. <3

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Shulk seems to be taking some notes from Zelda's fsmash... that's not a good idea :^)

if someone falls out of his fsmash again i'm proclaiming it at the second coming of Zelda

 

[kenniky]

Shulk seems to be taking some notes from Zelda's fsmash... that's not a good idea :^)
if someone falls out of his fsmash again i'm proclaiming it at the second coming of Zelda

How did that first hit even get him...?

Even as a Shulk main I'm confused by his range lol

 

[Lavani]

Dedede's outstretched arm got hit by the first hit

I've seen Dedede's jab and ftilt lose to a ton of weird things because of that

 

[Macchiato]

I think you're feeling like you're doing badly because you're starting to feel WFT's disadvantages. We've always said the trainers are difficult characters because of their lacking range, and so they're always gonna have some trouble against a vast majority of the cast, but at least I think WFT has more general advantages than Zelda does :'D

Don't get disheartened by that, though. You're pretty good with the trainer and you've managed to surprise a lot of people with him. Tbh I think the Villager MU is bad-ish for WFT, but you still manage to make the fights pretty close and tight!

I just can't deal with her specific problems, any character with disjointe beat her. Range is a problem for me. Killing is also hard. She also can't approach.

I pick samus because her one problem is killing and it's not that hard. She just feels more natural. Idk, I really like her.

 

[Furret]

Shulk seems to be taking some notes from Zelda's fsmash... that's not a good idea :^)
if someone falls out of his fsmash again i'm proclaiming it at the second coming of Zelda

you don't play much pit do you, he takes zelda Fsmashes to a whole new level

 

[Soul.]

oh
@ Macchiato is maining Ridley now?

 

[Kofu]

Like I said, Fox is probably one of the easiest characters to use once you understand the basics. Mastering him is what makes the difference like you can play Fox in Melee, but can you play Fox in Melee to his fullest potential? He has speed without feeling uncontrollable, he has power without feeling like a heavyweight, and he has combos without feeling technical. If anyone should be overused in SSB4, it should be him. People would complain about too many Foxes, but not him being OP. Even Diddy seems less safe and less beginner's friendly since at a basic level Diddy doesn't have much besides throw to aerial. Fox has that, good footsies, the ability to combo off of Dash Attack and aerials, hit confirms with Nair or Jab, and he has an effective, but predictable recovery while Diddy requires you to charge it correctly for vertical recoveries.

Fox, Mario, Diddy, and the Pits should have been the characters overused online and in tournaments because they're just simple, but effective characters that anyone can pick up and play. Hell, let's add Yoshi too. Of those 6, it's Diddy by a long stretchy arm followed by Fox who is common, but not too common as Captain Falcon and Diddy. Mario and the Pits are like handful of players and Yoshi is uncommon too.

Fox doesn't have range. Neither does Mario. It's one thing that Diddy has that really gives him an edge in ease of use.

 

[Rizen]

Stupid Diddy. Anyone want to wifi in about 10 minutes?

 

[「 Derk 」]

Here are a few combos I found with Din's Blaze so far. I love this custom! Its great for defensive play since you can cover yourself in a ticking time bomb or deny opponents a part of the stage momentarily. It's also really good at setting up traps and combos if you can get the positioning right. This move is going to be awesome for mind games lol.

 

[Fernosaur]

I just can't deal with her specific problems, any character with disjointe beat her. Range is a problem for me. Killing is also hard. She also can't approach.

I pick samus because her one problem is killing and it's not that hard. She just feels more natural. Idk, I really like her.

Yeah I was really interested in WFT back when she was announced because I really like comedic characters, but I stopped even trying a while ago because of the same reasons. I think the only good things about her are her vertical juggles, her nair and her recovery, cause honestly even SS is a pretty subpar chargeable projectile. The healing isn't even meaningful tbh.

Be careful with Samus. She doesn't have a particularly good air game ever since they removed her sex kick. Uair could be good but people fall out of it all the goddamn time. She *is* better than Brawl, though, that's for sure.

 

[Space Stranger]

@ Macchiato switched mains?!

 

[Locke 06]

Gorl, Samus has more issues than killing. Charge shot is the life blood of Samus and it kills beautifully.

You probably just don't realize how big of an approach problem Samus has because you are used to Zelda.

 

[Berserker.]

Alicia runs around alot. Edy has a flamethrower.

Edy >>>> Alicia.

Alicia makes bread

Alicia >>>>>> Edy

because you are used to Zelda.

*looks at myself*

whelp

 

[Soul.]

Melee Samus master race.

 

[Berserker.]

Melee Ganondorf was the greatest blessing Sakurai has given us in Smash history

 

[Space Stranger]

Captain Falcon was the greatest blessing Sakurai has given us in Smash history

Fixed for the truth and the Falcon.

 

[Berserker.]

Without Melee Dorf, we'll never see them Bizzarro flame-eque hard reads

 

[Soul.]

Melee Ganondorf was the greatest blessing Sakurai has given us in Smash history

No, it was Melee Fox.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

@ Macchiato Maining Samus now?

Play Metroid Prime if you haven't already

 

[Macchiato]

Gorl, Samus has more issues than killing. Charge shot is the life blood of Samus and it kills beautifully.

You probably just don't realize how big of an approach problem Samus has because you are used to Zelda.

Really? I don't think she ever needs to either. Bair is really strong and sweetspotted Fsmash. Usmash would be good if people wouldn't pop out of it. Legit, it's less reliable than Zelda's fsmash

Yeah I was really interested in WFT back when she was announced because I really like comedic characters, but I stopped even trying a while ago because of the same reasons. I think the only good things about her are her vertical juggles, her nair and her recovery, cause honestly even SS is a pretty subpar chargeable projectile. The healing isn't even meaningful tbh.

Be careful with Samus. She doesn't have a particularly good air game ever since they removed her sex kick. Uair could be good but people fall out of it all the goddamn time. She *is* better than Brawl, though, that's for sure.

Samus' Nair is basically like Robins and Toon Links. Its a pretty good nair. She has pretty good combos after dthrow.

 

[Locke 06]

Bizzaro's reputation of disgracing his opponents instills fear in you even before you pick up the controller.

I mean. Really. The Ganondorf chant in melee is top tier chant.

 

[Berserker.]

No, it was Melee Fox.

No, it was 20xx

@ Macchiato So you're using Samus? Cool

 

[Rizen]

Play Metroid Prime if you haven't already

^This. I'm up to MP2 with 2 sky temple keys remaining. The MP Trilogy is a steal at $20 on nintendo E shop.

 

[Soul.]

No, it was 20xx

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

^This. I'm up to MP2 with 2 sky temple keys remaining. The MP Trilogy is a steal at $20 on nintendo E shop.

Those Sky Temple keys were a fricking nightmare to get. Do you know what the final boss is? I hope not, because it's pretty amazing if you're not expecting it.

 

[Berserker.]

Fixed for the truth and the Falcon.

I'd say Falcon too but his hits aren't as meaty as Dorf's.

 

[Lavani]

@ Ffamran
I'm just catching up on all sorts of things today!

I'm like 95% sure that fair just clanked with the hydrant in the falco v pac replay

 

[Locke 06]

Really? I don't think she ever needs to either. Bair is really strong and sweetspotted Fsmash. Usmash would be good if people wouldn't pop out of it. Legit, it's less reliable than Zelda's fsmash

Samus' Nair is basically like Robins and Toon Links. Its a pretty good nair. She has pretty good combos after dthrow.

Bair is really strong and fsmash is great. Falling uair is amazing. But if your opponent stands a dash attack's distance away so they can react to whatever you do, Samus falls apart much like Zelda. Except Samus doesn't have the elevator, or a normal grab. Screw attack OOS isn't strong enough for people to care about most of the time.

Her combo game is amazing though. I love playing as Samus, but if you're somewhat looking for a MAIN, she will frustrate you too much when playing against her multiple bad MU's.