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[Ffamran]

I tried to find Zelda's treasure opening gifts and one where Ganondorf kicks the treasure chest. I found this instead.

Is she, like, part-Greninja?

 

[Macchiato]

-She beats 15/51

-No top tiers

-Decent

-15/51

-Not even half

-Decent

And like 20 are even.

 

[Furret]

Baby only one of us here is sad and that is me.

100% cool though.

ok

They should make a hyrule warriors but FE or Mario version.

i wouldn't be able to handle the writing if they did FE though

 

[Lavani]

Actually her MUs are decent.
She beats

Half those characters don't even lose to Marth

 

[FullMoon]

Up Throw - UpB - Uair seems to work consistently at higher percents as Lavani said, I mean it's still in need of testimg but it's definitely a great chasing tool for when you get someone up near the ceiling; also I'm honestly joking about the bandwagon thing I seriously don't see anyone wanting to pick up Rob.
Idk it seems that people don't care much for him even though he's really solid and versatile.

I guess R.O.B is just unappealing from a non-gameplay perspective. He's not exactly a memorable character outside of his role in Brawl's SSE and even that is kinda pushing it a bit. His moves are fairly basic and unimpressive unlike Robin and Zelda's magic, Greninja water swords and gimmick specials, G&W's overall quirkiness, all that stuff. So I guess people are just drawn to the more interesting characters and so there's not much interest in R.O.B overall. Plus he might be a solid character but there are still a good number of characters better to him or just as good so that further drives people away from him.

Doesn't help that a lot of people don't like campy playstyles and R.O.B is quite campy.

 

[kenniky]

Did I do dishes yet I'm so being asinine loser and narcissistic crap end dis

Too hard

So I need a secondary for Lucina, any suggestions? I'm think of rosalina

And then we all sought eggs and saw Yoshi

 

[Macchiato]

Half those characters don't even lose to Marth

Well basically all her MUs are like Marth but 5 points less

 

[PUK]

I want smash hundreds of mobs with severa. But it would be like 10 sword user and 10 magic user. Pretty boring in the long run.
Rob is less campy than link robin and villager. Aka 50% of for glory. But yeah he's like luigi: not flashy, needs time to see assets. Next time i Will quote what i respond to.

 

[warionumbah2]

Well basically all her MUs are like Marth but 5 points less

So she loses to these

I got a feeling rips her to shreds.

don't lose to Lucina, Marth mains even said that Luigi blows Marth away because he gets so much reward out of down throw. And Mario not being crap like Doc speaks for itself, HeroMystic played EL Marth and he's confident that Marth isn't a threat.

<---- Unbeatable i think we should all main him.

 

[PUK]

She loses to Zelda too.

 

[Macchiato]

So she loses to these

I got a feeling rips her to shreds.

don't lose to Lucina, Marth mains even said that Luigi blows Marth away because he gets so much reward out of down throw. And Mario not being crap like Doc speaks for itself, HeroMystic played EL Marth and he's confident that Marth isn't a threat.

<---- Unbeatable i think we should all main him.

The Marios and Lucinas agreed that it was 65:35 Lucina soooo.

 

[Lavani]

The Marios and Lucinas agreed that it was 65:35 Lucina soooo.

 

[Lorde]

@ Lavani I'm very comfortable playing Rosalina when Luma's at my side, but I've realized that my SoRo needs work. Idk what I should be doing when Luma's gone. Should I be evasive? Aggressive? I would assume that I should be avoiding laggy moves (such as fair) when Luma's gone, but idk. What are good moves to use as SoRo? I've noticed that Dabooze uses usmash a lot when Luma's gone. I guess the point of this is what's a good strategy to use as SoRo and what moves are useful when Luma's gone?

They should make a hyrule warriors but FE or Mario version.

Mario x Dynasty Warriors sounds amazing. Pokemon x DW might be cool, too.

I got HW yesterday and it's pretty cool so far. I still haven't gotten Agitha, so I can't pass judgement on her yet. Fi and Sheik are cool, though.

 

[Macchiato]

Mario x Dynasty Warriors sounds amazing. Pokemon x DW might be cool, too.

HW was originally supposed to be Pokemon

 

[Soul.]

Lucina loses to every other character

 

[Macchiato]

Lucina loses to every other character

no not really, go look at our MU thread

 

[PUK]

HW eats sooo much time i can't play it anymore. As soon as i put the game in the WiiU i know i just losed (edit: i just lost hope in my english here) 4 hours.

 

[Soul.]

no not really, go look at our MU thread

lol

 

[PUK]

no not really, go look at our MU thread

she's still easier to fight as you don't have to work against her zoning game like you have against Marth. It doesn't make the MU easier, but less stressful that's sûre.

 

[Lavani]

@ Lavani I'm very comfortable playing Rosalina when Luma's at my side, but I've realized that my SoRo needs work. Idk what I should be doing when Luma's gone. Should I be evasive? Aggressive? I would assume that I should be avoiding laggy moves (such as fair) when Luma's gone, but idk. What are good moves to use as SoRo? I've noticed that Dabooze uses usmash a lot when Luma's gone. I guess the point of this is what's a good strategy to use as SoRo and what moves are useful when Luma's gone?

Some changes I make:
- Tilts over jab; Dtilt and Ftilt are both faster than her jab without Luma around, and while not disjointed they have much more reach too. Her rapid jab is still good if you can find a situation for it though.
- Grabs. Her fthrow does 10% and bthrow does 11%, and Luma doesn't buff either to begin with. You can also pummel for bonus damage as well as to stall for Luma to respawn.

I don't really change up how I play much, I just play more mindfully of what advantages I lose without Luma; nothing to meatshield projectiles, generally slower and shorter-ranged buttons, less kill power, etc. Rosa's solo usmash is probably what you'll be getting kills with without Luma (but it doesn't kill until like 135%+ without rage), it's also quick to come out and disjointed. Think of it like a weaker, laggier Mario usmash.

Also I avoid fair in general lol, that move is so ridiculously laggy. Only time I ever use it is shff fair>usmash as a gimmick kill against someone that isn't expecting it.

 

[warionumbah2]

The Marios and Lucinas agreed that it was 65:35 Lucina soooo.

I guess Marth 70:30 him...oh wait.

If it was Brawl then yeah but Marth got nerfed hard, another problem is the ratio scores adding up.

no not really, go look at our MU thread

She beats 2 characters that aren't even good. According to that chart. The rest is red.

 

[Macchiato]

I guess Marth 70:30 him...oh wait.

If it was Brawl then yeah but Marth got nerfed hard, another problem is the ratio scores adding up.



She beats 2 characters that aren't even good. According to that chart. The rest is red.

WHat are you talking about, Falco, Mario, Zelda, and more did you even scroll the charts sideways

 

[Rizen]

Can someone link the chart? /just curious.

 

[Macchiato]

Were only done with like 1/4 the roster

 

[warionumbah2]

WHat are you talking about, Falco, Mario, Zelda, and more did you even scroll the charts sideways

Falco and Zelda = Not good

That ratio next to Mario's face looks shady as hell, how early in the meta was that MU done? You said Lucina gets 5 points knocked off on all MUs, if that's true then Marf beats Mario 70:30 that kind of ratio is fitting for D3 vs MM.

The way they add up scores is pretty jacked up too, in the Marf discussion 3 peps including me 55:45 in MKs favor as well as Shaya and 2 others from Marf boards, 2 Marf mains put 60:40 in Marfs favor one of them literally spoke about special moves instead of the whole package.


Then the end result was 50:50.

mfw logging back in to see that

 

[Lavani]

I seem to recall seeing 50:50 thrown around from mains I respect

some mad witchcraft if lucina beats mario

 

[UkeNicky]

I'm so sick of everyone saying "Main Diddy, hur hur"
It isn't even funny, it's just over played joke like Zelda being awful, like we get it but no need to repeat the joke/fact every day like a news channel >.>

And yeah, Rob may be campy but he's got offensive options that allow him to put on close range pressure too.
Villager and Duck Hunt are wayyy more campy than him.
I guess I can kinda understand how he isn't "interesting" or intriguing to a lot of people but I love robots and his over all space-kinda theme
Such a shame though he's so cute ;^;

 

[PUK]

WHat are you talking about, Falco, Mario, Zelda, and more did you even scroll the charts sideways

It's funny how lucina loses only by a small margin. Even if she has to work harder for damage AND kills.

 

[Macchiato]

With crescent slash it all changes

Also won round one of tournament

 

[Gay Ginger]

Custom Palutena vs Zelda is real bad gorls

 

[Fernosaur]

I don't think anyone's considering customs for these ratios

Custom Palutena vs Zelda is real bad gorls

Yes it is. It's the most horrible MU I've had the displeasure of playing.

Except for Megaman.

And probably Olimar. Thank god I haven't played one as Zelda.

Sorry for teh double post, BJN </3

 

[PUK]

Yep i can see crescent being a threat. But it won't cover everything.

Custom Palutena vs Zelda is real bad gorls

What custom did you use?

 

[Soul.]

I don't know if Crescent Slash is going to make two flawed characters rise up in "tiers"

 

[Gay Ginger]

Yep i can see crescent being a threat. But it won't cover everything.
What custom did you use?

I went default Zelda vs Palutena with lightweight and Superspeed...lost that set :D

 

[warionumbah2]

I'm so sick of everyone saying "Main Diddy, hur hur"
It isn't even funny, it's just over played joke like Zelda being awful, like we get it but no need to repeat the joke/fact every day like a news channel >.>

"I think this X is underrated"

"If X had Y he would be a solid high tier for sure"

"i think he's a solid mid tier"

Nothing beats these quotes in terms of annoyance higglebottom.

Edit: hold up i said "main Diddy" on the last page, if it annoyed you then...

 

[kenniky]

When I went to look at the Lucina boards a while ago their matchup thread was basically all positive

idk if I trust that Lucina is not a spider monkey in a Nintendo hat afaik

 

[Fernosaur]

I went default Zelda vs Palutena with lightweight and Superspeed...lost that set :D

Have you never thought about picking a secondary? You're gonna find yourself losing a lot of sets with royal heels.

 

[PUK]

I don't know if Crescent Slash is going to make two flawed characters rise up in "tiers"

Customs make tiers a gang bang with furry, objectophilia, and other silly things

I went default Zelda vs Palutena with lightweight and Superspeed...lost that set :D

Strike stops super speed, and you can use reverse back air when the fish fishs for the grab (it beats DA too lol). With lightweight on it's a nasty 60% kill from center FD i think. Don't know if squall add anything other than better habits in this MU (you don't sit in shield with squall)

 

[Lorde]

Some changes I make:
- Tilts over jab; Dtilt and Ftilt are both faster than her jab without Luma around, and while not disjointed they have much more reach too. Her rapid jab is still good if you can find a situation for it though.
- Grabs. Her fthrow does 10% and bthrow does 11%, and Luma doesn't buff either to begin with. You can also pummel for bonus damage as well as to stall for Luma to respawn.

I don't really change up how I play much, I just play more mindfully of what advantages I lose without Luma; nothing to meatshield projectiles, generally slower and shorter-ranged buttons, less kill power, etc. Rosa's solo usmash is probably what you'll be getting kills with without Luma (but it doesn't kill until like 135%+ without rage), it's also quick to come out and disjointed. Think of it like a weaker, laggier Mario usmash.

Also I avoid fair in general lol, that move is so ridiculously laggy. Only time I ever use it is shff fair>usmash as a gimmick kill against someone that isn't expecting it.

Thanks for putting up with my multitudes of questions all the time.
I knew dtilt is Rosalina's fastest move, so I figured that it'd be important as SoRo. I'm surprised ftilt is faster than jab, tbh.

Move Qustions:
-So I shouldn't be using dsmash as SoRo? I thought that it'd be useful since it has pretty large hitboxes and hits on both sides of her.
-Since nair is pretty slow to hit in front of Rosalina, should I avoid using it? I think I use it a bit too much because I get punished for it sometimes. As SoRo, I could see nair not being a great option.

I usually am quite grab-heavy, so grabbing shouldn't be a problem for me. But holy ****, I had no idea that her throws did so much damage. It's too bad they nerfed bthrow as a kill move in 1.0.4, though.

Regarding fair:
-I'm a big fan of dthrow>fair, despite it not being guaranteed afaik
-I like to use it in edgeguarding occasionally, especially if they're close to the side blast zones.
-Fast falling it can be fun (as you said). FF fair>dsmash can be kinda useful.

 

[Gay Ginger]

Have you never thought about picking a secondary? You're gonna find yourself losing a lot of sets with royal heels.

I'm 100% dedicated to default Zelda. I'll just do what I can and hope for the best~

Customs make tiers a gang bang with furry, objectophilia, and other silly things

Strike stops super speed, and you can use reverse back air when the fish fishs for the grab (it beats DA too lol). With lightweight on it's a nasty 60% kill from center FD i think. Don't know if squall add anything other than better habits in this MU (you don't sit in shield with squall)

I haven't unlocked customs for Zelda yet and I don't really care to. I prefer her default moves. Though this is good to know, thanks.