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[Burgundy]

A pokemon game that doesn't let you use a full team of Crobats isn't one worth playing, tbh.

If it lets me finally do that, I'll reinstall it and play again and probably get hit by a truck.

Seriously though, if you live in a place with high motor traffic, I can't help but feel like the GO+ accessory is just sort of required for safety if nothing else.

I mean I'm pretty sure you can do that now, it just requires a looooooot of Zubat candies

 

[Buddhahobo]

I mean I'm pretty sure you can do that now, it just requires a looooooot of Zubat candies

The first thing I did in that game was catch a motherload of Zubats and stuff all the candies into a single one to make it evolve. Then it wouldn't go higher than Golbat.

Then I just stopped playing it. All that wasted candy...

 

[Eddie The Pacifist]

When your squad ready for the crew battle @TSMZeRo #teamzero pic.twitter.com/HZvvQnFU4h

— Hackoru (@HackoruTV) February 14, 2017

 

[TTTTTsd]

Welcome Back!

How has the frozen tundra of Canadia been, besides having lost your hair and aviator sunglasses?

It's been good. I'm doing a Fire Emblem rom hack thought experiment soon. I'm putting Roy from FE6 into FE7 to prove a point that he's mostly bad in FE6 due to the game's rigid difficulty and the fact that he's surrounded by shaky units and a handful of broken ****ers. Should be fun. He'll promote around the same time as Eliwood would, so it's a BIT different, but it should illustrate my point in motion, so F U N! Yes I will also hack in the Sword of Seals, that's a part of Roy. I'll also be buffing outright bad FE7 units (Nino, Isadora, Dorcas, Renault....Karla) to keep things fresh too. Should be fun.

Also @ Ephraim in heroes: His niche is likely Def -7 to two adjacent squares in tandem with Siegmund providing an atk boost to adjacent allies. He'll spend less time in atk phase and more time behind one of your units passively debuffing enemy DEF while bolstering your allies' offense. The -7 debuff limit just stops him from being a broken, generic "engage armor knights and win automatically" unit. I'm struggling to see what Seliph can do more than Ephraim. Seliph has good stats but all of his good procs are < 50% HP which is really weird. His best niche would be high stat rally speed, but to make use of his best attributes he'll need a lot of good support.

 

[Buddhahobo]

It's been good. I'm doing a Fire Emblem rom hack thought experiment soon. I'm putting Roy from FE6 into FE7 to prove a point that he's mostly bad in FE6 due to the game's rigid difficulty and the fact that he's surrounded by shaky units and a handful of broken ****ers. Should be fun. He'll promote around the same time as Eliwood would, so it's a BIT different, but it should illustrate my point in motion, so F U N! Yes I will also hack in the Sword of Seals, that's a part of Roy. I'll also be buffing outright bad FE7 units (Nino, Isadora, Dorcas, Renault....Karla) to keep things fresh too. Should be fun.

Oh wow. Are you doing a write up of this by any chance? That's definitely something I'd read.

I'd also probably argue that the only buff Nino needs in FE7 to be better is to just show up earlier.

Also @ Ephraim in heroes: His niche is likely Def -7 to two adjacent squares in tandem with Siegmund providing an atk boost to adjacent allies.

His aura is only -5, he has to be in combat for -7.

 

[Ffamran]

I guess I'm the only one here that sees any kind of potential in Sophia, even if it's niche.
She focuses on providing pure resistance to your team. Nothing more. Her entire kit and her stats are focused on just that. Make her resistance grotesquely high, and everything else to okay or bad. Also give the rest of her team resistance. Give everyone resistance.
Really though it isn't useful because how many teams are you going to run into with more than 2 magic users, if even that? But if your team is really susceptible to magic (like mine but I'm still doing fine without her), then she's at least worth considering imo.

I see it, but as a pessimist, I'm worried about her other stats. She can have as good of a resistance as she can get and be a resistance self-buff and buffer, but something else needs to be at least above decent like attack. This is why I harp on Alfonse so much.

eaux i don't know what's sadder then Erika or the fact this will be our next focus

Spoiler

i like hawkeye but seriously with the excetion of him none of those focuses are exceptional

welp i can already foresee the mass player exodus

How hilarious. I already have a 5* Hawkeye... Motherfreaker was part of the second summon of more green units because other units are apparently all borderline extinct. GIVE ME A USEFUL BLUE UNIT AND RED MAGE.

Anyway, some of the stuff planned to expire after launch won't like training tower's halved stamina and skill equipping costing stamina. Source: http://www.siliconera.com/2017/02/1...aining-tower-skill-equipment-costs-permanent/.

First off, I find it stupid that equipping skills cost stamina. Seriously, what are people really going to do? Most of the better weapons are straight up better outside of Brave weapons at low level because of speed issues. The only things I could see getting swapped a lot would be the healers' activate skills and maybe turning off or down Fury since it takes a set amount of damage on you. That's it. Unless units had more weapons and situational skills, there's no reason for skill equipping to take stamina. I don't know if it takes stamina to equip them when you unlock them either, but if it did, that would also be stupid.

For training tower, eh. I get they don't want you to rapidly level up and steamroll everything, but right now, the stamina costs seem reasonable, especially the higher stratums where you can grind rapidly, but it'll still take a chunk of stamina versus them costing +10 which would really suck.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Unless I haven't really been paying attention (definitely possible), it's a cap. I'm...reasonably sure it was a -7 debuff limit and worked as a cap in Fates, too?

Not actually, no. In the late stages of Conquest Lunatic, some enemies had a totally BS ability called Inevitable End that let them stack debuffs together. They could bring down your stats by way more then 7 points.

 

[EODM07]

For anyone interested, Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 is now available on Steam via Pre-Order.

However, I'm not going to be bother with it. While I wouldn't mind jumping back into UMvC3, the game is largely dead and that EVO will probably be its final send off. Plus, the fact that I main the worst character in the game (Hsien-Ko).

If I ever did get back into it. I would probably swap out Hulk and Iron Man for Frank and Doctor Doom. :V (And that people will probably hack a team where they have nothing but 3 Galactus anyway just to cheat).

 

[Cress!]

So after getting Ephraim, I was kinda thinking of making a team of 4 blue units and set that as my arena team for fun.

But then I saw this:

Spoiler: Wut

So then I played the Advanced stage and saw this:

Spoiler: Wut x2

brb training up Oboro, Eph, Jagen, and Fem. Corrin.

 

[EODM07]

Any of you gorls up for some matches?

 

[Nammy12]

Any of you gorls up for some matches?

I'll play you

 

[EODM07]

Right-o. Room is up Nammy.

 

[Ffamran]

It's been good. I'm doing a Fire Emblem rom hack thought experiment soon. I'm putting Roy from FE6 into FE7 to prove a point that he's mostly bad in FE6 due to the game's rigid difficulty and the fact that he's surrounded by shaky units and a handful of broken ****ers. Should be fun. He'll promote around the same time as Eliwood would, so it's a BIT different, but it should illustrate my point in motion, so F U N! Yes I will also hack in the Sword of Seals, that's a part of Roy. I'll also be buffing outright bad FE7 units (Nino, Isadora, Dorcas, Renault....Karla) to keep things fresh too. Should be fun.

Also @ Ephraim in heroes: His niche is likely Def -7 to two adjacent squares in tandem with Siegmund providing an atk boost to adjacent allies. He'll spend less time in atk phase and more time behind one of your units passively debuffing enemy DEF while bolstering your allies' offense. The -7 debuff limit just stops him from being a broken, generic "engage armor knights and win automatically" unit. I'm struggling to see what Seliph can do more than Ephraim. Seliph has good stats but all of his good procs are < 50% HP which is really weird. His best niche would be high stat rally speed, but to make use of his best attributes he'll need a lot of good support.

Dude, the way you describe Ephraim and Seliph makes me think of Ephraim as a reverse Sharena where his Siegmund buffs rather than debuffs attack like Sharena's Fensalir and his passive debuffs defense rather than buffs like Sharena and Seliph as a cohesive, better Alfonse.

Anyway, decided to summon for the hell of it. I have if I complete 9-5, all the higher difficulty chapters, and current paralogues and its higher difficulties, 75 more orbs. Well...

Spoiler: The summoned

GIVE ME A USEFUL BLUE UNIT AND RED MAGE.

Ask and ye shall receive. I didn't specify who, so I got what I got. Of the summoned, Jagen and probably Frederick will be the most useful. Final chapter has magic units and Jagen's resistance and resistance skills look good for that. Frederick is my only other physical +3* cavalry and if he's anything like in Awakening, he's probably going to be a beast. Problem is that he's my 6th axe unit. Laslow's skills look good, Hinata I don't give a damn about and looks like a sword version of Bartre with Arthur's weapon, and Sophia's my first duplicate of this save file. Technically since I'm probably going to merge her with the special map Sophia's which is what I would have done for Felicia, Olivia, and Stahl.

 

[TTTTTsd]

Oh wow. Are you doing a write up of this by any chance? That's definitely something I'd read.

I'd also probably argue that the only buff Nino needs in FE7 to be better is to just show up earlier.



His aura is only -5, he has to be in combat for -7.

http://feheroes.wiki/Ephraim I think you got your skills mixed up? I don't believe this is wrong. Regardless, he effectively drops their DEF by whatever it's lowered by and then an additional 3 because of the adjacent unit bonus when paired correctly (which allows him to effectively bypass the -7 cap limit on stat drops if you consider stat mathematics of playable units). It's worth consideration, a lot of people are glancing over how dumb Siegmund is. As far as his effectivity vs. knights or heavy armors, he actually has a Heavy Lance, so he might be ok vs. them, but I'd still rather take Siegmund as the general support bonus it gives is very good. If I am reading this atk bonus it gives correctly, it gives it to them through their actions in the turn as long as they start next to them, meaning he can boost a flier who can then move forward and attack (this is really stupid).

Nino's Growths are worse than Lilina, a character who is harder to train. Nino also needs a CON stat worth a damn, you shouldn't be forced to Body Ring a Mage Est to baby them. Her join time IMO is relevant and needs to stay similar for the sake of not having her force a deployment slot in the Jaffar mission and just because she's meant to be an Est-type. As such, I'm giving her refined Est growths. If I recall, I also buffed Wil (he was very mediocre), made Rebecca a character who didn't need to be babied as much, made Dorcas a defensive Warrior (40% DEF growth hoooo!) and some other things. Isadora will be not garbage, for instance.

I can do a write up if you want, I might document it. I have a friend I'm sending it to to give it a whirl, as well.

 

[Buddhahobo]

http://feheroes.wiki/Ephraim I think you got your skills mixed up? I don't believe this is wrong.

> Ephriam: Threaten Def +3 = -7 def debuff
> Peri: Threaten Def +3 = -5 def debuff

> Ephriam: Seal Def +3 = -5 def debuff
> Roy: Seal Def +3 = -7 def debuff

What.

That has to be wrong.

 

[TTTTTsd]

> Ephriam: Threaten Def +3 = -7 def debuff
> Peri: Threaten Def +3 = -5 def debuff

> Ephriam: Seal Def +3 = -5 def debuff
> Roy: Seal Def +3 = -7 def debuff

What.

Did they **** it up? LOL. I guess so! Regardless, it's a -8 debuff which is never bad. At least you seemed to agree about Nino :^)

 

[Nammy12]

gg EODM07

 

[EODM07]

GG Nammy12

Sorry for the taunting and teabagging, Cloud and Mac were REALLY annoying me. And I wasn't too happy with how those Lucina dittos were going either.

 

[Buddhahobo]

Did they **** it up? LOL. I guess so! Regardless, it's a -8 debuff which is never bad. At least you seemed to agree about Nino :^)

Yeah, it's not bad, it's just not noteworthy. Other than just liking the character, I wouldn't be trading or rerolling away my 4* Peri or 4* Florina for him, my two best lancers.

Yeah about Nino, too. I only played the original two (GBA) FEs the one time my friend lent them to me, and you obviously know a lot more about the ins and outs of those two games than I do.

SS I got my own copy of due to the Ambassador GBA games when the 3DS had it's price drop :^) The 3DS really is an SRPG fan's best friend.

 

[Symphonia]

Did four rounds of summoning today and finally got some 5 stars. Not going to include the first roll as it was trash

Spoiler

Not too sure if I'll use Eirika as I already have Lon'qu but we'll see. Abel is my first cavalier unit so I'll definitely use him plus I heard he's pretty good. Eh to the rest of them.

Forgot to screencap the summoning session for this one. Julia's weapon is effective against dragons which means I finally have a dragon killer so I'll use her. She also has Dragon Gaze/Fang, Resistance + 1-3 and Breath of Life. I also got a 4- star Frederick and Hana who I may use, and a 3 star Florina and Nino.

Nothing really special here as I already had a 4 star Camilla but I'll train this one up as it means I won't have to upgrade my 4 star one and waste my hard earned hero feathers and great badges.

A mini rant, but the amount of Takumi's I face in the arena disgusts me. Always brings me great pleasure when my Camilla or Cordelia defeat him. Say no to pineapples!

 

[TTTTTsd]

Yeah, it's not bad, it's just not noteworthy. Other than just liking the character, I wouldn't be trading or rerolling away my 4* Peri or 4* Florina for him, my two best lancers.

Yeah about Nino, too. I only played the original two (GBA) FEs the one time my friend lent them to me, and you obviously know a lot more about the ins and outs of those two games than I do.

SS I got my own copy of due to the Ambassador GBA games when the 3DS had it's price drop :^) The 3DS really is an SRPG fan's best friend.

Yeah Nino is a really good unit lategame but only if you get lucky. My edits fix that and make her (appropriately) a beast when levelled.

Isadora was a Paladin with a Con of 6. I had to fix that, obviously. LOL. Isadora is so unforgivably bad.

 

[BJN39]

Seriously though, if you live in a place with high motor traffic, I can't help but feel like the GO+ accessory is just sort of required for safety if nothing else.

This actually bothers me though. Just... look up and check the road before crossing. Don't look back at it until you cross the street. (I can 100% guarantee that the Pokémon spawning as you cross the road will still be there when you reach a safe point.) If people can't even stop at a street edge and wait until AFTER catching the pokemon/being thoroughly distracted, then that's a srs problem they should get checked.

 

[Buddhahobo]

This actually bothers me though. Just... look up and check the road before crossing. Don't look back at it until you cross the street. (I can 100% guarantee that the Pokémon spawning as you cross the road will still be there when you reach a safe point.) If people can't even stop at a street edge and wait until AFTER catching the pokemon/being thoroughly distracted, then that's a srs problem they should get checked.

*shrugs*

It's a personal quirk from living in NE cities, I guess. Because of Boston, I don't trust cars to ever signal. Because of Philadelphia, I don't trust cars to ever not run a red light or know the meaning of "right of way". Because of New York, I don't trust buses not to go on a joyride on the sidewalk, etc.

If people who drove cars actually knew how to drive their car, I wouldn't have a problem.

 

[Aunt Jemima]

yeah well if people knew how to jump out of the way when I'm driving on the sidewalk then I wouldn't have a problem but these bail fees don't pay themselves

 

[Lil Puddin]

Hey, I think Zelda is actually a great poet. Here's Magilou reading one of Zelda's greatest poems.

yeah well if people knew how to jump out of the way when I'm driving on the sidewalk then I wouldn't have a problem but these bail fees don't pay themselves

oh

 

[Ffamran]

Welp, I went overboard and leveled up the newbies a bit too much since I wanted them to be able to handle the Sibling paralogues at level; they were level 10 when I started doing the paralogues, so double the first level and at level with the last chapter.

Spoiler: Paralogue and Sibling units

I don't have any of the Sibling units, but some impressions are that Ephraim's voice surprised me as it's a bit higher pitched than I imagined. Haven't heard his speaking, so I can't say anything. It could end up being an opposite to Raven where his combat voice is meh for me, but speaking is good. Following, Eirika's combat voice is good and so are Seliph. I don't remember Julia's and I had this habit of killing her before I checked anything about her. I don't know who voices her, what her stats are like as an NPC, etc. She just died and the moment I executed my move, all I could do was facepalm for not checking her info box. Julia's dialogue boxes reminds me of Setsuna. She's sleepy-looking and talks with a lot of pauses. I kind of want her on my team solely because of that; she's a green mage and wouldn't be really helpful outside of dragon-slaying. So, she's kind of dorky to me. The dialogue for the other units are funny; Ephraim rants about him not being a siscon while implying he really cares for and kind of obsessively looks after Eirika who is noticeably embarrassed, Seliph is the sane man of the group, and some of Julia's dialogue makes her seem like a brocon. Oh, the self-aware humor.

The one issue I have with the paralogue is its quest. There is no realistic way to actually complete the use Eirika, Ephraim, Julia, and Seliph to KO 5 units quests. They're rare units among hundreds of units. To actually get all 4 of them is impossible. It could have worked if completing the paralogue gave you them, but then the paralogues would have to cost much more stamina and they would have to be -2* and probably terrible units if they're giving lord and lady units basically for free.

Spoiler: The 4th summon newbies

Anyway, for the newbies, I will say one thing: I LOVE Lazlow's voice actor in Heroes. Apparently Mick Wingert also voices Abel and Jeorge and he's voiced Po for the Kung Fu Panda games. Personally, I never thought Liam O'Brien's deep voice fit for Inigo / Lazlow. O'Brien's deep voice fits more for older, gruffer, or commanding characters. Had he used his regular voice, I think it might have fit better. The main reason is that Inigo's young and Lazlow's still young and with him being a fairly vibrant and suave man, I imagine a more in between, softer voice which Wingert nailed in Heroes. Man, it's sexy. Dear Naga, I think I have a man crush on his voice for Lazlow. Ahem, I digress.

So, Lazlow's pretty good, especially for a 3* unit. His stats and "growths" -- a word on this. I remember reading that Serenesforest said there's no such thing as RNG stat growths. There might be random level ups for how your stats grow, but units at a certain rank will always end up with the same stats when they max out or perhaps some point or another. This makes sense considering that while there are a ton of units in the game, the scarcity of Orbs and the fact 5* units can't reset means that if RNG stat growth existed, you could end up with an irreversibly damaged unit because of RNG. That would really suck. Back to Lazlow, his stats are really good and seem like Selena's overall which makes sense since they were pretty balanced and good all-around units. I think he's my second favorite sword unit of this file right now. Lon'qu's losing because he's such a glass cannon and I've already harped on Alfonse before. The other sword unit...

Hinata's meh. All I will say is that because of his goofy combat shout, he's the Dan of the group. Otherwise, he's like Barst and Bartre if they were meh 3* units.

Sophia's all right. Shame her speed is atrocious. My worries of her not having anything else than resistance stuff is gone seeing that her attack is good.

Frederick and Jagen are good. It's so liberating having units that can move 3 spaces. Frederick's the physical tank and hard hitter while Jagen's more geared toward fighting mages and isn't as strong. Both being Great Knights means their speed isn't good. I really want to unlock Frederick's activate skill; I'm hoping to hear if he has: "PICK A GOD AND PRAY!" for his activate line. And Jagen's definitely going to be used for the last chapter. Don't really have much of a choice since Subaki's the only other useful blue unit I have. Speaking of which, Jagen and Subaki share the same voice actor, Walden James.

 

[Y2Kay]

I wonder if any of you gorls like rap music . . .

 

[McKnightlíght]

I wonder if any of you gorls like rap music . . .

I would say that I'm not a fan of most modern rap but I like some older rap.

 

[Lil Puddin]

I wonder if any of you gorls like rap music . . .

Does this count as rap? Cuz then yes.

Spoiler: Bad words that are expected because it's maybe rap from the 90's.

If there's bad words gorl yew kneaux I don'T allow -BJN

 

[Buddhahobo]

I wonder if any of you gorls like rap music . . .

Eh. Definitely stuff I like, definitely stuff I don't like. There's some stuff thats strictly in the genre I like (Childish Gambino, OutKast), but it's mostly the stuff on the fringes of other genres due to them actually knowing how to make a melody instead of thinking if they shout angry enough it'll mask how monotone they are, like R&B/jazz and chill. K'naan also has this really nice reggae thing going on.

Anything in particular you wanted to talk about?

 

[Y2Kay]

I would say that I'm not a fan of most modern rap but I like some older rap.

Kendrick Lamar, Big Sean, Big K.R.I.T., GoldLink, J Cole, Childish Gambino, Chance the Rapper, J Cole, and Killer MIke are all pretty good modern rappers. None of them get as much mileage on the radio than trash rappers like Drake, Big Ross, Uzi, or . . . the frickin' MIGOS (BARF).

'Bout half my playlist is 90's rap though. Cats like . . .

• Fugees
• Wu Tang
• NWA
• Mobb Deep
• Nas
• Outkast

Eh. Definitely stuff I like, definitely stuff I don't like. There's some stuff thats strictly in the genre I like (Childish Gambino, OutKast), but it's mostly the stuff on the fringes of other genres due to them actually knowing how to make a melody instead of thinking if they shout angry enough it'll mask how monotone they are, like R&B/jazz and chill. K'naan also has this really nice reggae thing going on.

Anything in particular you wanted to talk about?

Not really. Recently was triggered by a classmate who claimed the Migos were the best rap group ever (they're not even top 5 wtf) . Plus, I was genuinely curious. Also the Hip Hop Evolution Netflix documentary has got rap on my brain.

 

[Antonykun]

Does this count as rap? Cuz then yes.

If there's bad words gorl yew kneaux I don'T allow -BJN

yes anything that comes out of BJN's Mouth can be considered Rap

 

[Y2Kay]

BJN is a true lyricist, best believe it heaux.

 

[McKnightlíght]

Suggest an album to me chainz.

 

[Y2Kay]

Suggest an album to me chainz.

I have a wide spectrum, from goofy to hood. Don't know what your into.

It's Better This Way - Big K.R.I.T. maybe?

 

[Buddhahobo]

BJN is a true lyricist, best believe it heaux.

BJN is undoubtedly the one most likely to go full on EGOT in the social.

Suggest an album to me chainz.

Well, the anniversary of his death is at the end of the month, so here's one of Nujabes's albums.

Only it has bad words in it, so here's a mod-friendly, mostly instrumental track (Track #3) from the album, Modal Souls. In terms of hip-hop coming from the electronica / chill side of things, dude was a legend. Most people probably know him for doing the Samurai Champloo soundtrack, though.

And, of course, there's the greatest rap opera to ever, and will ever, be conceived. <- This is Chapter 1. But because of bad words, it's just the link to it. And the Vevo version clips the end off the last few seconds of each chapter which is bad, so find a better version to watch after chapter 1.

 

[Lil Puddin]

yes anything that comes out of BJN's Mouth can be considered Rap

Mama BJN has so many talents.

But can she make a vampire husbando appear out of a ball? I DON'T THINK SO!

BTW does any gorl want this roll? I'll keep it until tomorrow just in case. If you want it, just message me your Nintendo account info OR make a fake/ one for me to link.

 

[Eddie The Pacifist]

I wonder if any of you gorls like rap music . . .

The moment I saw this this is what popped into my head:

 

[Cress!]

AVOID THE ARENA TODAY IF YOU DON'T WANT THE POSSIBILITY OF LOSING YOUR WIN STREAK
Today's map for it is essentially that weird map with a vertical mountain range down the middle that forces you to chase the computers in a circle and tbh if they do 1 thing you didn't predict, then you lose (unless you're playing on Beginner I guess).
It's torture.

 

[EODM07]

Morning girls. How's everyone doing?

Getting more work done today and did the next challenge in PXZ2. Where you had to select 8 Units and they are all locked inside their own compound with an enemy that can regen their HP by 50% every turn and can do insane amounts of damage. Thankfully after every so amount of turns, the compunds do open up, allowing each ally to help the other with some enemies.

In each compound you have each Unit fight one of the following: Mokujin, Z, Tyrant T-002, Solo, God Arc Soldier, Akatana, Arahabaki Prototype, Shtrom, Skeith, Pyron, Lord Raptor, Dokuboro. At least the four bosses don't have HP Heal, only Nullifying some Stats (Poison, Down and Stun for some of them). You at least get equipment for Zephyr/Vashyron and Chrom/Lucina.

Spoiler: Yuri pic of the day~