Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

[Lorde]

Honestly, the only reason to ever use Samus is for disrespect.

Because if you lose to such a trashT character, then you need to re-evaluate your life.

Even Zelda has more positive aspects than Samus.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, the only reason to ever use Samus is for disrespect.

Because if you lose to such a trashT character, then you need to re-evaluate your life.

Even Zelda has more positive aspects than Samus.

Yet Samus can rack up to 40% off a grab or dash attack, has an effective zoning game and doesn't have the survivability of a napkin like Zelda does.

And Samus has placed top 8 at a major thanks to Jonny Westside, and he almost beat ZeRo at the same event. Tell me the last time a Zelda player has done that.

 

[EODM07]

I still ended up beating your flat-chested arse with Samus >:V

my friend 0-deathed me off down throw by doing a ton of up airs into Screw Attack when we were on Battlefield once. I cried.

I know. But I want to get that specific part of it. That footstool was also unintentional, I hardly ever get footstools anyways.

 

[Macchiato]

Yet Samus can rack up to 40% off a grab or dash attack, has an effective zoning game and doesn't have the survivability of a napkin like Zelda does.

And Samus has placed top 8 at a major thanks to Jonny Westside, and he almost beat ZeRo at the same event. Tell me the last time a Zelda player has done that.

Fairess in Kuwait Majors. He gets Top 8 in every Major there.

 

[BJN39]

And Samus has placed top 8 at a major thanks to Jonny Westside, and he almost beat ZeRo at the same event. Tell me the last time a Zelda player has done that.

Because some guy actually went to a major playing a character literally no one will have MU knowledge on.

In the case of let's say Esam, he would probably only pick Samus now out of pity/opportunity if his opponent is using an equally unviable character (Ex: Doc when he fought Nairo) even then iirc Nairo's Doc thrashed his Samus.

Low tiers get results early in the meta game while people are prioritizing learning more relevant characters MUs.

At this point though Zelda has a worse chance at winning against the known players because Nairo at least played her some and now everyone knows ha enough to make her hopeless before he ditched ever using ha for any important tournament.

 

[TTTTTsd]

A lot of it is JWest playing his character to the fullest, which if I recall him saying, it was something like "Get a hit, reset to neutral over and over" and then his opponent makes a mistake and he kills them. (I'm assuming by "hit" he means anything besides Dash Attack at low %s. Ha)

He is famously known for eating every single Luigi ever known to man. I have no idea if Samus is favorable in that matchup but he makes it look that way. He placed pretty well considering he went all Samus at Genesis (I think it was 65th? I'm not sure I want to yell "MU inexperience" at this point considering this was like, the hardest Smash 4 major ever for a lot of reasons).

A large part of me believes Samus is misunderstood as a character and no, I'm not saying she's not bad, I just think there are a ton of misconceptions about the character and a lot of them don't hold true, unfortunately. One of her most redeeming factors is that when she does actually get a hit from neutral and it's a good hit, she usually converts for ridiculous damage (40% off of a burst movement dash attack is one of her MODERATE NORMAL punishes, for perspective. You can even sourspout the dash attack and you still get guaranteed combos, the only prerequisite is that you space it properly and play Samus and not Falcon.)

I equate Samus to a lovely rollercoaster. It's awful waiting to go up to the top but you get that hit and it is amazing because her advantage is ridiculous compared to the rest of her character, all things considered.

I personally find her a lot more fun than Zelda because in spite of all this, when I get a hit I'm pretty firmly rewarded with the usual guaranteed damage and good positioning that comes with Samus getting a hit. Beautiful~.

 

[Deleted member]

Because some guy actually went to a major playing a character literally no one will have MU knowledge on.

In the case of let's say Esam, he would probably only pick Samus now out of pity/opportunity if his opponent is using an equally unviable character (Ex: Doc when he fought Nairo) even then iirc Nairo's Doc thrashed his Samus.

Low tiers get results early in the meta game while people are prioritizing learning more relevant characters MUs.

At this point though Zelda has a worse chance at winning against the known players because Nairo at least played her some and now everyone knows ha enough to make her hopeless before he ditched ever using ha for any important tournament.

You ignored the first half of what I said.

I'm pretty damn sure ZeRo doesn't lack MU experience on Samus. He studies the damn game literally everyday. There's a reason he thrashed Big D back at Northwest Majors when he used Dedede against him, and that's because he fully knew the MU.

Point is, at least Samus' design philosophy works. The only thing she really needs to be solidly viable is hitbox fixes and more knockback on some of her attacks. I can't even figure out what Zelda's design is even supposed to be. It outright just doesn't work with the way her current moveset is right now.

 

[EODM07]

A lot of it is JWest playing his character to the fullest, which if I recall him saying, it was something like "Get a hit, reset to neutral over and over" and then his opponent makes a mistake and he kills them. (I'm assuming by "hit" he means anything besides Dash Attack at low %s. Ha)

He is famously known for eating every single Luigi ever known to man. I have no idea if Samus is favorable in that matchup but he makes it look that way. He placed pretty well considering he went all Samus at Genesis (I think it was 65th? I'm not sure I want to yell "MU inexperience" at this point considering this was like, the hardest Smash 4 major ever for a lot of reasons).

A large part of me believes Samus is misunderstood as a character and no, I'm not saying she's not bad, I just think there are a ton of misconceptions about the character and a lot of them don't hold true, unfortunately. One of her most redeeming factors is that when she does actually get a hit from neutral and it's a good hit, she usually converts for ridiculous damage (40% off of a burst movement dash attack is one of her MODERATE NORMAL punishes, for perspective. You can even sourspout the dash attack and you still get guaranteed combos, the only prerequisite is that you space it properly and play Samus and not Falcon.)

I equate Samus to a lovely rollercoaster. It's awful waiting to go up to the top but you get that hit and it is amazing because her advantage is ridiculous compared to the rest of her character, all things considered.

I personally find her a lot more fun than Zelda because in spite of all this, when I get a hit I'm pretty firmly rewarded with the usual guaranteed damage and good positioning that comes with Samus getting a hit. Beautiful~.

Now, if only I can see someone use Lucina to the fullest.
That's never gonna happen, right?

 

[Deleted member]

Now, if only I can see someone use Lucina to the fullest.
That's never gonna happen, right?

Ryo plays Lucina as a serious secondary. I guess that's something.

 

[EODM07]

Ryo plays Lucina as a serious secondary. I guess that's something.

Possibly. Only other Lucina mains I've seen were NEO (Who has been going nothing but Sheik now at Xanadu), and Brolylegs who I've only seen use Lucina once.

 

[Macchiato]

You ignored the first half of what I said.

I'm pretty damn sure ZeRo doesn't lack MU oexperience on Samus. He studies the damn game literally everyday. There's a reason he thrashed Big D back at Northwest Majors when he used Dedede against him, and that's because he fully knew the MU.

Point is, at least Samus' design philosophy works. The only thing she really needs to be solidly viable is hitbox fixes and more knockback on some of her attacks. I can't even figure out what Zelda's design is even supposed to be. It outright just doesn't work with the way her current moveset is right now.

sisT you main Dedede

 

[Deleted member]

sisT you main Dedede

At least Dedede is already perfect unlike a certain gorl.

 

[Macchiato]

At least Dedede is already perfect unlike a certain gorl.

Perfect

 

[FullMoon]

Zelda's design philosophy is making you start questioning your life choices and realize you could be playing the better Zelda.

 

[Mr. ShinyUmbreon]

Zelda's design philosophy is making you start questioning your life choices and realize you could be playing the better Zelda.

When a player is telling you to , you know you need to pick another character

 

[Deleted member]

Perfect

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Still more attractive than Zeldawful.

 

[Lorde]

Rosalinda has usurped Sheik's throne of being better Zelda.

Like, Rosalinda is Zelda if Zelda had a functioning moveset and a little helper that covered her diagonal blind spots and was able to get her out of like all bad situations.

Sheik is now the better version of every character.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

when you're trying to play Zelda but then everyone says there's a better version of her:

 

[EODM07]

Welp. I just randomly checked my MyAnimeList account, and someone sent me a hate comment.

Funny thing is, he blocked me as well. So I cannot reply to him. So that's kinda silly on his half.
It looks like he's looking for attention, but yet doesn't want it. Make up your mind. :V

I'd link you girls to the comment, but I cannot be bothered. Plus, I just deleted the comment, and saved it as an image to post here later.

 

[BJN39]

You ignored the first half of what I said.

I ignored it because it wasn't relevant to the comment I was making.

You're probably right that ZeRo has studied a little of what Samus can do, but I have no doubt in a sense, he has low MU experience vs Samus.

Who did he use vs the Samus? Sheik? Because I have no doubt that his sheik could pull him through MU inexperience vs low tier characters.

Actually, if ZeRo's knowledge of what Samus 'does' is anything like his analysis of Zelda (Zelda gorls know the one) then he probably knows almost none of her secrets.

I'll address her "40% grab combos" from your other post; aren't those off of UAir most of the time, right?

Doesn't that thing drop people like, 50/50?

Also...Samus's grab...Have to land it first. x_o

Also she may not be a napkin when it comes to strong moves, but she's still sharing subpar mobility with our queen.

 

[Lavani]

Realtalk Samus' uair is one of the best in the game and I'd take it on pretty much any character other than Rosa/Cloud given the choice.

but since this is the Zelda social

sammy is a worthless tr4shT can, worsT char in the game

 

[BJN39]

Realtalk Samus' uair is one of the best in the game and I'd take it on pretty much any character other than Rosa/Cloud given the choice.

but since this is the Zelda social

sammy is a worthless tr4shT can, worsT char in the game

sisT but does it connect reliably at all??

 

[Lavani]

I haven't seen it not work idk

 

[Deleted member]

Koiba you should fight me

 

[Koiba]

Koiba you should fight me

But Nam Ham is playing Xenoblade soooo........

And I still have to play it too smh


My character has such amazing animu hair

 

[EODM07]

But Nam Ham is playing Xenoblade soooo........

And I still have to play it too smh


My character has such amazing animu hair

That hair is not sassy enough.

 

[Deleted member]

But Nam Ham is playing Xenoblade soooo........

And I still have to play it too smh


My character has such amazing animu hair

smh comrade

I want revenge for that Rest

 

[Macchiato]

smh comrade

I want revenge for that Rest

You can play me if you want

 

[Deleted member]

You can play me if you want

Alright yo, my ID is Feelicks. I'll be hosting. I'm already fighting somebody rn so we can do rotations prolly.

 

[Macchiato]

Alright yo, my ID is Feelicks. I'll be hosting. I'm already fighting somebody rn so we can do rotations prolly.

okay added

 

[EODM07]

I found out when I'll be going to University Tutorials girls. : D

First one like I mentioned is in February, next one will be in April, then July and finally August.

Hopefully I'll be able to get all of my stuff done before the deadline reaches. And I'll be getting a laptop tomorrow, so I get all my work done on that.

 

[TTTTTsd]

sisT but does it connect reliably at all??

Her Uair has an autolink angle + low KB and literally combos into itself like 3-4 times at low %s (you usually see 2 Uairs into an Up+B and it always connects unless you deliberately drift away, don't do that). You can extend Uairs if you make airdodge reads/reads of any kind via platforms which then leads to more Uairs or maybe an Up+B.

It's actually ridiculously good. Same with her Dash Attack when you space it right considering that all of its active hitboxes give you a combo angle which is not common in this game. Said angle being DIRECTLY ABOVE YOU as well which is incredible and also means DI reads are so so easy.

Also her 40% combos are from Dash Attack OR Grab, Grab only works if they miss the DI though. It's often better to go for a DA if you see a hard punish scenario present itself because you are guaranteed to get 35-40% damage depending on staleness and sweet/sour Dash Attack. I think Samus's low % combo game, at its best, is probably some of the highest GUARANTEED true combo damage output in the game. It's really marvelous.

Her real weakness IMO is a faulty Jab (getting people off of her is a chore) and her Neutral is very meh. Disadvantage state isn't great either. If she had a little more solid of a neutral game she'd probably be kinda crazy tbh.

 

[Deleted member]

Guys, Macchiato 's Zelda is making me feel actual, physical pain. I UNDERESTIMATED YOU GORLS, I'M SORRY

 

[Macchiato]

Guys, Macchiato 's Zelda is making me feel actual, physical pain. I UNDERESTIMATED YOU GORLS, I'M SORRY

 

[EODM07]

Guys, Macchiato 's Zelda is making me feel actual, physical pain. I UNDERESTIMATED YOU GORLS, I'M SORRY

Don't worry about it. I actually think Macchiato is maybe one of the best Smashers I've played so far, along with @evmaxy54. @McKnightlight being the best Ike I've fought so far. :V

 

[SBphiloz4]

NEW PATCH NOW ZELDA HAS A MONSTER DAIR SPIKE

TOTALLY NOT HACKED OR ANYTHING

 

[FullMoon]

Earth and Komokiri's tier list all have Greninja quite low in them, I wonder if this is grounds for more Greninja buffs =V

 

[EODM07]

NEW PATCH NOW ZELDA HAS A MONSTER DAIR SPIKE

TOTALLY NOT HACKED OR ANYTHING

IT'S BEAUTIFUL​

 

[Mr. ShinyUmbreon]

NEW PATCH NOW ZELDA HAS A MONSTER DAIR SPIKE

TOTALLY NOT HACKED OR ANYTHING

Me rn

 

[Lil Puddin]

I don't really find any top tiers outright dumb to fight, even if I highly struggle in the Fox MU. People need to learn to adapt to the most prevalent tournament characters or matchups they struggle in, or else you're not gonna get anywhere and pay the price for it.

On another note though, tryhard ZSS' and Falcon players are some of my favorites to fight lol

Tryhards make me happy. I literally just stand there doing nothing and just ez punish them. The running tryhards, tho...

Anyway, the MUs aren't hopeless, just annoying even after adapting for half the roster. It's mostly because it turns into arse covering more than outright fighting.