Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

[meleebrawler]

I'd comment but I know nothing about mewtwo

so I just keep my mouth just when convos about him happen

It's OK man, lots of people don't and most of the people who try just give up after their first early death.
(Not calling you out of course).

 

[Antonykun]

>talking about the worst character in the game
>does not mention

I think the apocalypse is happening as non Macchiato Zelda mains are trying to say she isn't the bottom character

 

[meleebrawler]

Sure, we can try some matches.

NNID is ShiningNight in case you're on mobile and can't see it.

I've got you down. You hosting?

 

[Project Crysis]

Yeah I kinda make it a bad habit too not logout on other people's computers lol

 

[Rickster]

I've got you down. You hosting?

I have a room up now.

 

[meleebrawler]

I have a room up now.

Can you wait 10 mins I had to quit my last match and for some godforsaken reason you have to try to enter another for the countdown to start.

Edit: I'm ready now and have the room set up.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

So I did not see before on the 1.1.1 patch changelist that Paletuna's Explosive Flame no longer has the unblockable final hit.

Because she needed to be nerfed. Though it was just customs so w/e. Either way it DID get decent damage and hitbox size buffs too.)

KuroganeHammer do you have any idea what a maximum distance Din's Fire's hitbox sizes would be? I wanted to assume that it just reaches double the original like the damage at max distance but I have no idea if that's true.

Mostly because I wanted to compare it to Paletuna's size 15.5 hitbox on EF to see that Zelda's deserves hitbox buffs on ha worthless Din's.

It's about the size of Spirst's penis.

 

[BJN39]

It's about the size of Spirst's penis.

 

[Rizen]

So apparently you can cancel airdodges with tethers O_o

I feel like a complete noob not knowing this but oh well. This opens up some interesting options...

Adding to what Maxy said, it's best not to land after airdodge>tether but you can simply press Z (grab) to tether and drop a bomb Link's holding at the same time and only have Zair landing lag (8 frames ). Air dodge>Zair does have uses as a recovery mix up. If Link's recovering high he can FF>airdodge to invincible drop a large distance since his FF is so good>tether the ledge. This pretty much guarantees if Link can recover high he can safely grab the ledge. If the opponent goes low Link simply stays high.

 

[Antonykun]

I'm surprised he didn't get infracted

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

The Support Rosalina part of Miiverse is fantastic and you all need to check it out right now

 

[Rickster]

meleebrawler it broke

 

[meleebrawler]

meleebrawler it broke

sorry my old man turned off the wi-fi because he thinks it kills us in our sleep.

Do you still wanna try?

 

[Rickster]

sorry my old man turned off the wi-fi because he thinks it kills us in our sleep

Oh, I guess we'll have to play another time then?

Welp anyone else want to play?

 

[Rizen]

Oh, I guess we'll have to play another time then?

Welp anyone else want to play?

I will.

 

[meleebrawler]

Oh, I guess we'll have to play another time then?

Welp anyone else want to play?

Nvm disregard above edit.

I'll be looking forward to facing your Sheik again.

 

[Rickster]

I will.

Ok, I have a room up still.

Nvm disregard above edit.

I'll be looking forward to facing your Sheik again.

Please don't. She's terrible lol

 

[Rizen]

Ok, I have a room up still.

Darn I'm getting a server maintenance error . I'm up for playing later if you still are.

 

[Rickster]

Darn I'm getting a server maintenance error . I'm up for playing later if you still are.

I was getting those earlier too...

I'll probably still be available.

 

[TTTTTsd]

Doc is > Jiggs anyday in terms of character strengths. Jigglypuff is just unfortunate.

She can't threaten a lot of characters directly (even Doc can do this), nothing she has is safe and her kill options are decidedly quite....uh....something. She's outranged by virtually everyone (even Doc IIRC) and her goal is to try and poke people. It is inherently a problem but I doubt she's bottom 3 (nor is Doc for that matter wat)

Dr. Mario being anywhere near the Bottom 10 though is something I can't think of. His recovery really isn't terribad unless the Doc doesn't know what he's doing or is legit outplayed (which happens to 80% of the roster who aren't literally unchallenged offstage) and his mobility is only decidedly below average on the ground (his air speed is actually average/middling). He also has one of the best shield games in the entire game which is still relevant even with the shield nerf which is damn commendable. The character's inherent strengths prevent him from being exceptionally awful, it's when people stop approaching him like Mario when this becomes less of an issue. His recovery isn't inherently bad, his disadvantage bleeds into his recovery but that's the big issue. His disadvantage. On a game per game basis he's pretty good but in a whole tournament going solo Doc presents a lot of risk because of random volatile stock loss but he's in no way near Bottom 10 (don't think his MUs are bad enough to warrant it, personally.)

The character really only needs better ways to get out of disadvantage and preserve his double jump and he'd be really really good. Right now I'd rank him as below average, I'd say in the regions of mid-lowish. He's more overlooked than say, Jiggs, but as a character I think he's better.

 

[Virtue]

Thank you Macchiato and bluecrow for telling me some plus sides about Dedede. I appreciate being told about my misassumptions so I can learn about the character. It's just that I do not see many DDD's and I should probably shut up about characters that I am not too knowledgable about.

Also, there is no way Zelda can be the worst character when others have more crippling flaws. It's probably just my unpopular opinion, but >.

 

[Gay Ginger]

People have been saying Zelda is bottom 5 even before the patch. But because of it, she's having a harder time dealing with certain MUs than before.

Essentially, she lost more than she gained.

Sorry I haven't been paying much attention to the latest patch.

Could you - or someone else - explain what changes were made to the shield system, and why it hurts Zelda?

 

[Virtue]

Sorry I haven't been paying much attention to the latest patch.

Could you - or someone else - explain what changes were made to the shield system, and why it hurts Zelda?

Here's what I can get:
Zelda is an incredibly defensive character. Shielding is one of her best options. With the nerfs to shields in the recent update, Zelda has lost a lot of defensive capability. She also has a bit more trouble using her Oos options like the elevator. Meanwhile, her attacks do not benefit too much from this change. Really, only her lightning kicks are safer on shield.

 

[McKnightlíght]

Yeah I kinda make it a bad habit too not logout on other people's computers lol

Hi tony

 

[Macchiato]

Thank you Macchiato and bluecrow for telling me some plus sides about Dedede. I appreciate being told about my misassumptions so I can learn about the character. It's just that I do not see many DDD's and I should probably shut up about characters that I am not too knowledgable about.

Also, there is no way Zelda can be the worst character when others have more crippling flaws. It's probably just my unpopular opinion, but >.

No problem.

Also it's okay to have an unpopular opinion. Once again, it's an opinion. There is no wrong or right. Some of my opinions are very unpopular, but it doesn't stop me from believing for what I believe. Like when I say roy is bad
Someone: Roy is good
Me: Gorl, at what?

ANYWAYS, I think >

 

[Rizen]

Rickster I can wifi now if you are up for it? I made a room.

 

[Project Crysis]

Hi tony

Wrong person lol it's the owner of the account

 

[Rickster]

Rickster I can wifi now if you are up for it? I made a room.

Ok give me 5 minutes or so. I'll probably only be able to play for ~30 minutes.

 

[McKnightlíght]

Wrong person lol it's the owner of the account

Hi tony

 

[Rickster]

Rizen does it seem really laggy to you?

 

[Rizen]

Ok give me 5 minutes or so. I'll probably only be able to play for ~30 minutes.

I keep playing Darksiders controls lol. I'll get better after 1 or 2 games.
Edit there is a lot of button lag imo.

 

[Antonykun]

Hi tony

CPU now I"m having an existencial crisis
Am I Antonykun or am I Project Crysis

 

[McKnightlíght]

CPU now I"m having an existencial crisis
Am I Antonykun or am I Project Crysis

Hi tony

 

[Rizen]

Rickster yeah this has a lot of lag. Do you want to try hosting?

 

[Space Stranger]

CPU now I"m having an existencial crisis
Am I Antonykun or am I Project Crysis

Yes.

 

[Rickster]

Rickster yeah this has a lot of lag. Do you want to try hosting?

Sure. Let me reset my internet just to make sure it's not being dumb.

 

[Antonykun]

ANYWAYS, I think >

Look I can turn the other cheek on litterally every other choice you made for who's worse than Zelda Except Roy
like no
I rather believe Sheik isn't the best character in Smash 4 and than believe that Zelda is more Viable than Roy

 

[Space Stranger]

Look I can turn the other cheek on litterally every other choice you made for who's worse than Zelda Except Roy
like no
I rather believe Sheik isn't the best character in Smash 4 and than believe that Zelda is more Viable than Roy

We're still taking Macchiato's opinions seriously? At one point, he said that Din's Fire was more reliable than Robin's Arcfire.

...

See, it's still funny.

 

[Rizen]

Sorry I'm playing bad. My muscle memory is adjusted to the pro controller so my directions are off. I keep throwing bombs down at my own feet and pressing wrong buttons

Now the lag's bad. IDK what's up. Let me try resetting my internet.

 

[Rickster]

Not sure what's causing it to lag so much...we usually have a decent connection.

I think it might be on my end.