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meleebrawler

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So what you're saying is take the STRONGEST part of the bottom tier female crew, add them into one monstrosity, and we're left with Mewtwo, who's also widely considered low tier.
I, and quite a few people at the Mewtwo boards are starting to get the impression that Mewtwo is really pretty misunderstood.
Most people tried him, made mistakes due to not fully understanding his moves (and then blaming them on glitchy hitboxes) that resulted in them dying at low percents, then got frustrated and never tried him again. This leaves a bad first impression that is very difficult to shake due to hardly anyone using him since.

But the truth is that once you do understand his moves you can pretty much stop almost any approach from your opponent, and punish mistakes fairly hard from almost any angle. He plays somewhat like a heavy in this regard but avoids many of the issues that hurt their viability; bad mobility (his is almost on par with Mario's, only losing in air acceleration but his specials compensate), poor recovery (you're not touching Mewtwo offstage unless he make a mistake, and don't let his worse than average ledge options fool you... he can do a lot more than those) and inability to threaten from a distance (you cannot underestimate the mental impact of a charged ball, and even uncharged ones are good for general use. Also he has a reflector to go with it, a combination no one else has.)

He has difficult matchups with a lot of top tiers but his combo ability is quite good on fastfallers so he's never quite out of the game.

Now, on another note, does anyone want to play?
 

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Every character has redeeming qualities lol. Mewtwo, Zelda, PaleTuna, Spamus, etc. are still trash.
 

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@EODM07 This is your problem, You get scared of good players. Why is that's? Are you playing the game to have fun? Or are you playing this game the get better?

If you fight people who are on the same level as you or play people worse then you are, you don't get any where. Even if it is terrifying. I fought ESAM, HungryBox M2K false and DKwill on stream. And I was scared as ****. But the only reason I fought them and will continue to fight them so I can improve.

:link:
 

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Hey gorls, since I'm one of the newer faces around here, you've probably never seen me play. So here's a match of me (Zelda) against Zero Skill Spamus in for glory. Also, there's added sass for you enjoyment :secretkpop:.
If I have time to play against you guys, I'll let you know. Not right now though, I'm pretty busy with school work.
 
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Y'know, for the record japanese tier lists have Mewtwo in mid tier. Make of that as you will.
Oh, by the by, I didn't mean Mewtwo was bad or low tier. That's just the general tier-list top player mentality. I think he's fun as hell and capable of amazing stuff (using shadowball for momentum etc).

ALSO I JUST GOT A CLIP OF MY NAIR HARD SPIKING SOMEONE.

SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO THIS PLS
 

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In other news, the Ace Attorney series continues to deliver the Waifus.

Now they just need to deliver the yuri again like in Dual Destinies.
 

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Y'know, for the record japanese tier lists have Mewtwo in mid tier. Make of that as you will.
The Japanese have the strangest opinions. IIRC, they still think stuff like Shulk is bad. The Japanese metagame is quite different than ours.

and lol mid tier mewtwo
 

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On another note, I've just noticed Mewtwo seems to borrow quite a few tactics from quite a few female fighters. He gets his best combos of of dtilt like Zelda, can combo off of his first jab like Palutena, his chargeable projectile does the exact same amount of damage as Samus's at full charge, he can wall of pain like Jigglypuff with his bair among other things. Also all teleport moves are used by females.
Diddy, Ryu, DK?, Lucas, and Ness can all get useful Dtilt confirms, Mr. Game & Watch's jab is similar to Palutena's and he can do the same with jab 1 to grab or whatever, not sure about Lucario's Aura Sphere since it's not a constant move like everyone's, and Dr. Mario, DK aka Bair the Character, Falco, Mega Man?, and kind of Link and Greninja can wall of pain with their Bairs. Teleport's the only female-dominat move unless you consider Roy's magic hands and kind of Greninja's Substitute. In other words; equality! :p
 
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meleebrawler

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Diddy, Ryu, DK?, Lucas, and Ness can all get useful Dtilt confirms, Mr. Game & Watch's jab is similar to Palutena's and he can do the same with jab 1 to grab or whatever, not sure about Lucario's Aura Sphere since it's not a constant move like everyone's, and Dr. Mario, DK aka Bair the Character, Falco, Mega Man?, and kind of Link and Greninja can wall of pain with their Bairs. Teleport's the only female-dominat move unless you consider Roy's magic hands and kind of Greninja's Substitute. In other words; equality! :p
I just find the followups he gets from dtilt remind me of Zelda, where it's either the fast, high power but risky (less so for Mewtwo) fair or the easier combo extending nair. Oh, and their usmashes are similar too.

Those bairs you mentioned are fine and dandy, but can those characters literally carry the opponent all the way to the blastzone, possibly through it if they don't react fast enough, and then instantly, and I do mean instantly, return to the stage once they're done?
 

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Hey gorls, since I'm one of the newer faces around here, you've probably never seen me play. So here's a match of me (Zelda) against Zero
:O :O
Skill Spamus in for glory.
Oh. Gotta learn to read that next line lol.

Was surprised and pleased by the special effects. Edginess was appreciated. :)
 

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:O :O

Oh. Gotta learn to read that next line lol.

Was surprised and pleased by the special effects. Edginess was appreciated. :)
Thanks. I try my best. Also that ZeRo comment was hilarious. Funny thing is the guy I played was named BK and all I could think about was Burger King :awesome:.
 

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Just finished the 5k for the XC meet. It was great. I managed to beat 4-6 people and I didn't even walk once. 3.2m was a lot farther than it seemed.
 

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Dan.... are you sick? I've never beat your puff before. This is a landmark day for me.

Room is open if anyone wants to join.
 
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GGs, gorls! It was nice to play Smeesh again after a small while. Sorry for leaving so abruptly, Evan ;-; I had to go help out with stuffs.

Edit: I WAS BEING DISTRACTED BY A SKYPE CALL, OKAY. GAWD.
 
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Dan.... are you sick? I've never beat your puff before. This is a landmark day for me.

Room is open if anyone wants to join.
Adding on the ol' Miiverse now, if that's still an open call.

Edit: As you can tell... I'm REALLY not used to using platforms ;-; the FG life is hard.
 
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If you're not having fun with Sonic, then you're using him wrong.


I mean.... you're using him right, but... there are ways to play and have fun with him. Not every Sonic relies solely on bait and punish and spin dash.
 

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Being fair to Sonic, I was being intentionally hyperbolic. I find it really confusing to use him. SO that combined with general uninterest makes him not fun for me. I like slower characters, like Robin! :happysheep:
 
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If you're not having fun with Sonic, then you're using him wrong.


I mean.... you're using him right, but... there are ways to play and have fun with him. Not every Sonic relies solely on bait and punish and spin dash.
C A N C E R H O G Z
 

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Being fair to Sonic, I was being intentionally hyperbolic. I find it really confusing to use him. SO that combined with general uninterest makes him not fun for me. I like slower characters, like Robin! :happysheep:
Play slow Sonic. They'll never see it coming.
 

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Playing a slow sonic is like pancakes without maple syrup, sacrilege!

GOTTA GO FAST :4sonic:
 
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GGs@ McKnightlíght McKnightlíght

(I'm typing these thoughts as we play bc I'll forget otherwise.)

Owwww. Ike's neutral game hurts so much ;^; And I can't believe you uptilted my 1 frame of FW in the first round. And then again in like the 4th round, except with Aether.

But the off screen snipe was worth the loss in the third fight.

And then suddenly we both trade a game of three stocks. Dinsfailure input too strong.

Your ledge game is terrifying and I feel like no options are safe ;[ sweetspotting the ledge is my best bet but it's not guaranteed. It sucks being thrown off stage from your Ike.

HOW DO YOU KEEP 1 FRAMING MY PHANTOM AND FW2 ;^;. Calm dooooooowwwwnnn.

Lmao, that sick last game. One for the history books as a final showdown.
 
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GGs@ McKnightlíght McKnightlíght

(I'm typing these thoughts as we play bc I'll forget otherwise.)

Owwww. Ike's neutral game hurts so much ;^; And I can't believe you uptilted my 1 frame of FW in the first round. And then again in like the 4th round, except with Aether.

But the off screen snipe was worth the loss in the third fight.

And then suddenly we both trade a game of three stocks. Dinsfailure input too strong.

Your ledge game is terrifying and I feel like no options are safe ;[ sweetspotting the ledge is my best bet but it's not guaranteed. It sucks being thrown off stage from your Ike.

HOW DO YOU KEEP 1 FRAMING MY PHANTOM AND FW2 ;^;. Calm dooooooowwwwnnn.

Lmao, that sick last game. One for the history books as a final showdown.
Really fun games!

I honestly couldn't believe I got that uptilt either. I was curious if it was even possible. I caught you with an upsmash another time... I've fought a lot of Zeldas....

That snipe off the top was brilliant, it's always scary when I can't see myself and I see you FW towards me.

Yeah, what the heck, all of a sudden we both 3 stock each other. I think we're both momentum based fighters. I know if I have the momentum I have a hard time losing it, but if I'm behind I really struggle to make the comeback.

Phantom to FW is your best option, but I will chase you off stage and try to get the dunk every time, it's in my contract with @r_greening1

Again, with the 1 frame thing... I've fought A LOT of Zeldas, plus if I hold eruption long enough I get super armor too :secretkpop:

Sorry for that terrible last game lol. I wish we could have ended on a better note, but oh wel, I gots to go to work.



One more additional thing I want to add is that you almost figured out how to stop my planking. There are 3 good methods to stop it with Zelda.

1. Din's fire and hit me on the regrab
2. Phantom goes under stage so hit me on the regrab
3. You were so close on this one, I was terrified you were going to figure it out. Shield the aether and then dsmash me on the regrab. It goes under the stage and sends me at an angle where I can't recover. Rickster just figured this out on me today and now I have to figure out a way around it.
 
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