Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

[Strong-Arm]

All of you guys having fun and smashing and I'm stuck in school writing about chemistry ;_;

 

[McKnightlíght]

GGs I guess @ McKnightlíght .

That was just stupid, I hate Ike and his safe moves. >_>
Nothing but losses from me again. And all I wanted to do was try and find a Heavyweight that I liked.
And all I get for it is getting bodied by someone who isn't really fighting for his friends but for that one energy drink he needs to get even more ripped.

Yeah, Ike is a d***, he relies heavily on punishes and moves with low end lag have a hard time KOing him. Makes fighting Little Mac an absolute pain though.

Please don't judge your Ike off of those 2 games we had. The ditto is really hard and I have several hours of experience in that MU, that's why I could make savant-like reads on quickdraw and aether. You should work on your Ike more, he's like a Roy with better recovery and even more kill options, plus he just refuses to die.

 

[EODM07]

Yeah, Ike is a d***, he relies heavily on punishes and moves with low end lag have a hard time KOing him. Makes fighting Little Mac an absolute pain though.

Please don't judge your Ike off of those 2 games we had. The ditto is really hard and I have several hours of experience in that MU, that's why I could make savant-like reads on quickdraw and aether. You should work on your Ike more, he's like a Roy with better recovery and even more kill options, plus he just refuses to die.

But what about my Charizard? Don't just ignore the lizard! D:
I thought I did okay with Zard. Compared to Bowser. Even though I did throw out a lot of Flare Blitzs and NAirs.

 

[McKnightlíght]

Well, I never saw your Bowser.

I would say that your biggest issue with Charizard is mixing up your recoveries. I can really only give you MU specific advice. Don't use flare blitz so much. If you hit you give Ike rage, if you miss you rack up damage on yourself and it takes away all the work I have to do. Use rock smash more because the super armor and disjoints screw with Ike and it's a great way to edgeguard him. Your punishes were really good with Up-B it always caught me off guard and you used to secure a lot of stocks, so that seemed to be your strength.

 

[EODM07]

Well, I never saw your Bowser.

I would say that your biggest issue with Charizard is mixing up your recoveries. I can really only give you MU specific advice. Don't use flare blitz so much. If you hit you give Ike rage, if you miss you rack up damage on yourself and it takes away all the work I have to do. Use rock smash more because the super armor and disjoints screw with Ike and it's a great way to edgeguard him. Your punishes were really good with Up-B it always caught me off guard and you used to secure a lot of stocks, so that seemed to be your strength.

Good to hear. It's just that since ZeRo made that video on Bowser, I've been hunting for an alternate to use, and Charizard seems to be one I'm rather good with, don't think I'll get any better with Ike at all. So he's going to be on the backburner.

 

[McKnightlíght]

If you like to play Bowser, who cares what anyone else thinks? Bowser is probably just a viable as a solo champ as Charizard is. You definitely won't get good with Ike if you don't put a ton of practice into him. He's really easy to pick up, but he secures a lot of his kills from good reads and a feel for the timing of his moves. Eruption kills are insanely rewarding because it's really difficult to land them. Dair dunks are even more satisfying.

 

[EODM07]

If you like to play Bowser, who cares what anyone else thinks? Bowser is probably just a viable as a solo champ as Charizard is. You definitely won't get good with Ike if you don't put a ton of practice into him. He's really easy to pick up, but he secures a lot of his kills from good reads and a feel for the timing of his moves. Eruption kills are insanely rewarding because it's really difficult to land them. Dair dunks are even more satisfying.

You're really promoting Ike to me, even though I got destroyed by him and losing to him many times is making me dislike him. D:
Nah I'm good. I'll stick with who I got for now. :3

True, but he sounded rather harsh during his video on it, but he was being honest and that's what we got.

 

[McKnightlíght]

Zero is very knowledgable, but there is no way he has put in enough time with Bowser to rightfully judge him. I would trust the characters he has tourney experience with and who he dedicates most of his time to. I always promote Ike, he's a good guy, fights for his friends and whatnot. But really, I wouldn't use him as a pocket character if you never play with him, which is kind of obvious I guess.

 

[Rizen]

I've had a fever and a sore throat . I ended up watching the first 3 'Scary Movie's last night (not suitable for kids, lol). 1>3>>>>>2 ranked for how good they are.

I'm tired.

@ EODM07 play who you want. Don't worry about how good they are. I used Link all through Brawl even though he was the 4th worst.

 

[Cress!]

Almost page 2337, are we all going to change our avatars to solid colors again in memory of page 1337?

 

[r_greening1]

Dair dunks are even more satisfying.

Trust us, we know. We have 6 hours of experience

 

[SBphiloz4]

I know I updated my phone to iOS 9.0.

What I didn't know was that doing that update prevents my iTunes from recognizing my phone now, saying that it's too old to handle the newness.

But in order to get the latest version of iTunes I need to upgrade my Mac from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion.

Which requires money.

MFW Apple

 

[McKnightlíght]

Trust us, we know. We have 6 hours of experience

I love our dunk only matches, they are fantastic.

I know I updated my phone to iOS 9.0.

What I didn't know was that doing that update prevents my iTunes from recognizing my phone now, saying that it's too old to handle the newness.

But in order to get the latest version of iTunes I need to upgrade my Mac from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion.

Which requires money.

MFW Apple

I keep saying that Apple was not designed for humans. Nothing they do makes any sense to any sentient being.

 

[SBphiloz4]

I know I updated my phone to iOS 9.0.

What I didn't know was that doing that update prevents my iTunes from recognizing my phone now, saying that it's too old to handle the newness.

But in order to get the latest version of iTunes I need to upgrade my Mac from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion.

Which requires money.

MFW Apple

Long overdue for the transparent background version so here it is

 

[Rickster]

Your new avi is beautiful.

 

[EODM07]

I have returned from my meal. And I just re-downloaded the DLC for Dual Destinies.
Sure, the current Phoenix Wright is cool and all. But I love me some old school Phoenix Wright. :3

Also, dat first 3D Wright.

 

[Baskerville]

@ SBphiloz4
I looked at your avatar and thought I was going mad.

 

[Suicidal_Donuts]

Alright gorls, since I actually have time today, I may finally get my replays with Zack up (and maybe a few others) for matchup analysis. I'll also probably be continuing Dair research so I can hopefully have a table up within the next couple of weeks with Dair > Uair being 2/3 complete (there are 3 components) by then, and adding the last 1/3 later. After that I'll be on to Dair > Utilt [> Followup].

Edit: I've been listening to a lot of *NSYNC lately, because I had stumbled upon them recently... And I still remember all of their songs from the CD we used to have when I was a wee lad. The nostalgia is hitting me hard.

 

[Cress!]

I was walking by a park where people were talking, having picnics, etc, when all the sprinklers went on and everyone started screaming because water is scary I guess.
mfw I'm on the sidewalk watching

 

[Antonykun]

Long overdue for the transparent background version so here it is

@Matsushi should intensify this

 

[Furret]

I was walking by a park where people were talking, having picnics, etc, when all the sprinklers went on and everyone started screaming because water is scary I guess.
mfw I'm on the sidewalk watching

I like to turn the water heads on my coworkers at work. they usually don't appreciate it

 

[KarmaCastle]

Would anyone mind Sm4shing with me and critiquing my Zelda gameplay?

Like yell at me when I think Nair is safe on shield or I use FW to recover anywhere except sweetspotting a ledge?

I'm not the best but I finally have enough confidence to ask a gorl for help :^)

 

[EODM07]

Would anyone mind Sm4shing with me and critiquing my Zelda gameplay?

Like yell at me when I think Nair is safe on shield or I use FW to recover anywhere except sweetspotting a ledge?

I'm not the best but I finally have enough confidence to ask a gorl for help :^)

I'm up for a few matches. I'm not the best though. Just sent you a friend request.

 

[KarmaCastle]

I'm up for a few matches. I'm not the best though. Just sent you a friend request.

Added. Hosting now~

Jk you already are.

 

[Suicidal_Donuts]

Anyone up for some matches? I need to train my secondaries.

 

[KarmaCastle]

GGs @ EODM07

Arches please nerf.

And that DI at 100% in the elevator? Twice? Damn gorl. That's like 1/1,000,000.

Though I am pretty proud about the totally intentional Shulk Phantom gimp. 100% intentional for windbox body block yep. Totally. >.>.

You adapt really well on your second/third games. The second bowser (the first go around) was like playing a whole other person. Definitely scared of him. And your Charizard is scary aggressive too.

Also, I'm up for some more friendlies if anyone else would like. Just lemme know if you add me.

 

[EODM07]

GGs @ EODM07

Arches please nerf.

And that DI at 100% in the elevator? Twice? Damn gorl. That's like 1/1,000,000.

Though I am pretty proud about the totally intentional Shulk Phantom gimp. 100% intentional for windbox body block yep. Totally. >.>.

You adapt really well on your second/third games. The second bowser (the first go around) was like playing a whole other person. Definitely scared of him. And your Charizard is scary aggressive too.

Also, I'm up for some more friendlies if anyone else would like. Just lemme know if you add me.

That was just a train wreck for me. >_>
Ain't happy with the end results whatsoever. But eh, gotta practice and improve.

 

[Suicidal_Donuts]

GGs @ EODM07
Also, I'm up for some more friendlies if anyone else would like. Just lemme know if you add me.

I'll take the offer.

 

[KarmaCastle]

That was just a train wreck for me. >_>
Ain't happy with the end results whatsoever. But eh, gotta practice and improve.

To be honest I really don't usually play that well. You know how every once in a while you're suddenly possessed by the Sass Goddess and play on a whole other level? That was me. Playing against someone I (well, as far as forum perusing goes) know inspired my A-game. I swear on Zelda and that I will never play her again if it's a lie, but that was really unusual for me!

Just remember, "Too many Waifu, destroy your Laifu." You're really good at adapting (which I almost never notice in other players so quickly) and if you really commit to one of your loves I have no doubt you'll skyrocket. The second match of the first bowser really did feel like a whole other person, you punished and read me like a book and changed all of your approach options and aerial mix ups for the 2 stock. Same with Lucina!

I'll take the offer.

Hit me up on the ol' Miiverse. I also have a 3ds if that's your preferred poison. KarmaCastle

 

[Suicidal_Donuts]

@ KarmaCastle
I've got a room up.

 

[Deleted member]

I decided to ditch 8th hour today with some friends and we didn't get caught.

 

[KarmaCastle]

Ggs@ Suicidal_Donuts Got a phone call and gotta head out.

I'm gonna have to take your waifu card for wasting a stitches turnip, smh. Idk how you got 3 in one round lmao.

And good games. Had my heart racing for the Zelda ditto ;-;

Your marth is hella scary and you follow up super quick. Also really good at using stage hazards (DuckHunt platforms are the bane of me.) Also, I didn't know you could play as a wall in thi-- oh no wait, that's just your Ike. Without that Early SD I was probably done for ><.

Jesus christ your Lucas is disgusting.

And I feel guilty for spamming fsmash against kirby but none of my other abilities can hit him

Edit: OH OH Before I forget, did you notice my Nair spiking your Jiggly into the stage a few times? I just want to verify that I'm not insane and imagining things. It's a pretty soft spike, but I followed up with a dash attack.

 

[EODM07]

I'm feeling a little bit bored right now. Just gonna pass the time by watching YouTube vids and maybe play some Dual Destinies. :V

 

[Suicidal_Donuts]

GGs @ KarmaCastle ! You have a very solid Zelda. I just tried to put you through as many matchups as possible (without choosing a high tier because I'm nice). You seem to have a good understanding of what to do in a lot of different situations. You might do a few unsafe things occasionally, but risk is something that needs to be taken sometimes (because it can pay off with characters like Sass Queen if it hits). I think you might want to look into B-Versing Phantom, as I didn't notice you using it (I may have missed it, idk), when it's basically the most useful way to use Phantom.

I'm sorry I wasn't playing to my fullest, my best friend got me sick of course, so I've just been chilling with my box of tissues for the entirety of me being home.

Also, I did not get a stitch face 3 times that match. I got it once. I don't even know what was happening that match, I did so terribly. My Peach is normally better than that hahaha.

I play Roy in Doubles, but Marth and Ike are both

Spoiler

z.

I think they could use a tad more work. My accidental SD as Ike just ruined it. My Marth is pretty solid though and doesn't have many mishaps.

Lucas is my secret weapon. I hardly use him, but when I do...

And I haven't played Kirby in a few months haha, so don't apologize.

One thing that I'd like to point out though is that I've noticed that most of my mistakes are due to the buffer that this game has. I think they need to tone it down, because I'm doing things like rolling and spot dodging after I let go of shield and try to run/walk/jump/etc. It's only good for teching falls really.

Also, Meta Knight is best waifu.

 

[KarmaCastle]

GGs @ KarmaCastle ! You have a very solid Zelda. I just tried to put you through as many matchups as possible (without choosing a high tier because I'm nice). You seem to have a good understanding of what to do in a lot of different situations. You might do a few unsafe things occasionally, but risk is something that needs to be taken sometimes (because it can pay off with characters like Sass Queen if it hits). I think you might want to look into B-Versing Phantom, as I didn't notice you using it (I may have missed it, idk), when it's basically the most useful way to use Phantom.

I'm sorry I wasn't playing to my fullest, my best friend got me sick of course, so I've just been chilling with my box of tissues for the entirety of me being home.

Also, I did not get a stitch face 3 times that match. I got it once. I don't even know what was happening that match, I did so terribly.

I really appreciate feedback like that! I was using FW to recover on stage more than I'd like because your ledge game was spooky and no matter how I mixed my get ups you almost always seemed to read it. As for Breversing the phantom, I find it really hard to find a situation to use it in justifiably; I'll mess around with it more (it's my godsend against Sheik/Falcon to help force even a little space) but I usually only manage to use it if somebody is chasing me from mid stage as a surprise tactic. I learned the full charge phantom can KO Kirby during his upB if he isn't using it from the maximum distance by watching a bunch of Zelda montages. It's thanks to him always going above the ledge (usually to cover the stage get up with the shockwave.) Really cool stuff to know. If you have any other specific feedback, please let me know. I won't think it's mean and you won't hurt my "feelings." Promise.

And if that's you on a sick off day I'm spooked. I'd like a rematch when you're better, but if every one of your characters plays like your Lucas (never seen him spike in a real game before >.>) I'm gonna be in for a rough time. They're already way above average.

And okay you win, 3 is a stretch. You did for sure get two, however. The first one was really early on, 3rd or 4th turnip. I started jumping and dodging like crazy and you just threw it like a normal turnip, hence my revoke-card-comment. Makes a lot of sense if you're not feeling well that you wouldn't notice the like, extra 1cm long line for the bonus 'stitch' eyes. I reflected the second one onto your shield though, and I'm guessing that's the one you did see.

Thanks again, rematch when you're better <3. I'd critique you but I honestly can't because I feel like you're the better player. Especially if you're ill you're spacing game is on point, which I'd guess is due to having pocket Ike/Marth. Just pretend my compliments are critique.

Gotta go get me family from town. 'Til then gorls.

 

[Suicidal_Donuts]

@ KarmaCastle I see. Well we all have our own playstyles, so if something works for you, keep doing it. It makes your character more unique and not as predictable if you're using different tactics than all the other mains of your character. Also, Peach is still being experimented with, some of the things I was attempting on you were first time deals which is why they weren't working out. She's so... Complex, and I swear I only noticed that one Stitch that I threw at the wrong moment.

Thanks for all the compliments and comments you've given me though! If I'm better this weekend I can try to be more on top of things and give you more advice.

Speaking of advice, you could switch up your ledge guarding a bit more. I noticed you went for Dair a lot, when sometimes it's good to mix it up with a FF Nair. If you drag them down low enough, and catch them behind, you can use it as a stage spiking tool. Just make sure you have another jump if you're going to go for that. It's situational, but good to know. Your onstage FF Nairs were pretty good as well, just maybe work on followups a bit? I think you tried to Usmash me out of it once and I'm not sure that it worked. You'd also use Usmash a lot if I recovered high, which wouldn't always catch me, so I'd say try to use something else instead, or switch up your high recovery punishes so I don't telegraph it. Oh, and I think I shielded a lot of Dash Attacks. Perhaps switch it up with a grab? (Your grab game was v good btw).

Great playing you though! You definitely have your own playstyle, MU knowledge, and good fundamentals. You fared pretty well against my low-mid tier secondary squad, so I wonder how you'd do against the few better characters there are that I can use decently. Until next time!

 

[meleebrawler]

But I've seen Sheik's vanish and various other recoveries glide from the flat bottoms and slide right on up the slant.

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....^ If you hit anywhere that is not this perfect angle or further left, you die with a teleport. Ike/Falcon/Sheik will still slide up the slant unless they're WAAAY deep in the ledge.

This is literally impossible to do with teleport recoveries and it makes me feel bad. But that's most likely just a side effect to the shame that comes with a slanted stage FW SD.

I'm a good FG garbage competitive Zelda, if that's your cup of tea. @ EODM07

Dunno about Sheik, but Ike and Falcon's up bs still go up regardless of hitting any solid surface.

Some people say that Mewtwo's Teleport is the most prone to this and needs to be fixed, but it's really a combination of his poor air acceleration making it more difficult to get out of a bad spot and the unique momentum of said teleport making mistakes less forgiving. And I don't wan't that to go away, you can do some fun things with it, like platform to platform transfers on Battlefield.

On another note, I've just noticed Mewtwo seems to borrow quite a few tactics from quite a few female fighters. He gets his best combos of of dtilt like Zelda, can combo off of his first jab like Palutena, his chargeable projectile does the exact same amount of damage as Samus's at full charge, he can wall of pain like Jigglypuff with his bair among other things. Also all teleport moves are used by females.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Today in class after I finished my work I was looking at stupid Yahoo Answers questions with my friend and we found this gem:

hELP

 

[Flavius]

Today in class after I finished my work I was looking at stupid Yahoo Answers questions with my friend and we found this gem:

hELP

But do you believe in life after love?

 

[KarmaCastle]

On another note, I've just noticed Mewtwo seems to borrow quite a few tactics from quite a few female fighters. He gets his best combos of of dtilt like Zelda, can combo off of his first jab like Palutena, his chargeable projectile does the exact same amount of damage as Samus's at full charge, he can wall of pain like Jigglypuff with his bair among other things. Also all teleport moves are used by females.

So what you're saying is take the STRONGEST part of the bottom tier female crew, add them into one monstrosity, and we're left with Mewtwo, who's also widely considered low tier.

Sheik, "male" alter-ego of Zelda, is the best character in the game? (Fun fact, in the totally non cannon official OOT Manga, it's confirmed Zelda is actually a male via Magic, and not just a ton of padding).

We have to ask ourself, gorls, is this coincidence? CHANCE?

Sakurai confirmed oppressing our womens. The sass is too much for even he to bear.

RISE UP, SISTERS. TAKE A STAND. The world shall no longer deny us. Soon, tournament screens will be filled with the flashing light of Zelda's attacks, twinkling sound effects to follow... Her opponents in permanent IRL stunlock from the glory of the Sasswavetaunt. The puff puff of a jigglypuff jump, with righteous fury of the Goddess Palutena's wings, laser up-smashes ablaze! Samus shall be the strong independent alien super armor she was always meant to be. We will have our buffs, and we will take center stage.

...Whoops. Got carried away again.

(Snip-snapped.) Until next time!

I have so much respect for Slayerz and any Peach mains. The tech skill is unbelievably high. I say go for it and master her. Something you did that not many other Peaches do is use Fair while falling after cancelling float early. I always try to abuse Peach during float because she can't dodge anything, so a cancel>FF Fair caught me way offguard and I believe it's what KO'd me.

I've been forcing myself to FF recently; I didn't even know it was a thing until a week or two ago, hence my whining about Zelda's slow jump animation into FF a few pages back, so I'm glad it's something you actually noticed. I'll try the Nair edge guard more often; the FF Nair-Drag-Spike was something I hadn't considered before, I only use it with a jump to edgeguard high recoveries. Hype to try it! I have an aversion to edge guarding with DinsFailure (note, autocorrect does not catch that >.>) because I see so many Zelda's go for it in small tournaments/replays (yes, I actually keep Zelda 1v1 replays from the spectate mode on when I'm feeling lazy.) and so often I think to myself "Cmon' gurl you coulda Dair'd his ass so easy, he keeps recovering low and air dodging." So I find myself going for Dair since it's her only real consistent off stage KO option. Though keeping a Fair in the pocket for medium-high recoveries is a BEAUTIFUL thing to behold. I try to use it as sparingly as I can because if I don't go for a single Fair off stage, people never see it coming. So now tthe FF Nair is another tool to my arsenal <3.

Dash attacking is an awful habit I have because I'm really aggressive even though I play Zelda and I always try to remind myself to keep calm and let other's approach me. I should only be using it if I'm reading a dash grab or as a follow up from dtilt>jab>Dashattack. Or to punish laggy moves. Since that's an easier fix/fundamental I'll probably start with practicing that. And not doing it.

And I thought you actually made my grab game look weak because I rarely had enough time to combo out of it by the time you jumped away ;-;

And pleaaase tell me you remember my Nair soft spiking your Jiggles into the stage. I swear that didn't happen in previous patches and I'm wondering if it's a new tech we can work with. The spike has such little hit stun it can be hard to follow up with, but if done with a fast fall it's a guaranteed dash attack.

ANYWAYS. Gonna stop taking over this SOCIAL thread's page with my 10 consecutive novel posts about gameplay instead of social things and hop into FG to test this stuff out. Thanks for all the advice!

'Til next time.