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「 Derk 」 · Jul 30, 2015

YOOO no more blindspot at all on Phantom. it literally carries people out of your face. This is an amazing fix for Zelderp

DoctorDub · Jul 30, 2015

Someone else check the pushback on a shielded Dair. It looks like it sends them sliding quite far away. I think that's new

「 Derk 」 · Jul 30, 2015

It's beautiful. It almost took an entire year but Phantom is finally a move ; ;
we are slowly becoming an actual character one small fix at a time gorls! Now all we need is no free fall on Din's Fire

SBphiloz4 · Jul 30, 2015

Macchiato said:
can anyone test the farore's dreamland glitch?

A dumb thing is that on omega Hyrule Castle 64, this glitch is a thing ONLY if you do FW fully to the right, and not in other directions. AND ONLY ON THE 3DS VERSION TOO

Why Sakurai

Berserker. · Jul 30, 2015

Lol they made Back Slash noticeably faster according to some people

Edit: Gonna check on Zelda. Was her landing lag buffed?

evmaxy54 · Jul 30, 2015

SBphiloz4 said:
A dumb thing is that on omega Hyrule Castle 64, this glitch is a thing ONLY if you do FW fully to the right, and not in other directions. AND ONLY ON THE 3DS VERSION TOO

Why Sakurai

Who cares the stage isn't going to be legal anyways =P

Zylach · Jul 30, 2015

Opponents can still shield the first hit of a fully charged phantom and roll towards us before the second hit for a free punish. Still not to be used without discretion.

SBphiloz4 · Jul 30, 2015

evmaxy54 said:
Who cares the stage isn't going to be legal anyways =P

Well I did mention omega version of the stage but it's nothing real major unless you play For Glory on the 3DS version

Also I got my dreams crushed by Sakurai and the YouTube replay function only works with footage under 3 minutes. Mfw

evmaxy54 · Jul 30, 2015

SBphiloz4 said:
Well I did mention omega version of the stage but it's nothing real major unless you play For Glory on the 3DS version

Also I got my dreams crushed by Sakurai and the YouTube replay function only works with footage under 3 minutes. Mfw

The omega version? =O

Sakutena pls LMAO

Trieste SP · Jul 30, 2015

Just as expected Zelda got some buffs and they seem to improve her quite a bit. The Phantom buff is especially good.

Marth, Lucina, Robin and WiiFit got especially useful buffs. Can't wait to try these changes out in a couple months. *sigh*

Soul. · Jul 30, 2015

replays are 3 minutes? meh.

M@v · Jul 30, 2015

Is kick any stronger? I think its placebo effect.

FullMoon · Jul 30, 2015

Greninja basically has Brawl Falco lasers now lol.

Thanks Sakurai.

Rickster · Jul 30, 2015

Dtilt combos into Uair much easier now at higher percents. Likely due to the damage increase or something.

Soul. · Jul 30, 2015

FullMoon said:
Greninja basically has Brawl Falco lasers now lol.

Thanks Sakurai.

is grab still garbage y/n

skydogc · Jul 30, 2015

For buffs, here's some happy joyous music!
Long live the lady and lord of Wisdom. :D

https://soundcloud.com/https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fbradbreeck%2Fwe-bare-bears-e004-chloe-raincloud-chill

Antonykun · Jul 30, 2015

Swordfighter can do down throw up air at higher percents btw

Trieste SP said:
Just as expected Zelda got some buffs and they seem to improve her quite a bit. The Phantom buff is especially good.

Marth, Lucina, Robin and WiiFit got especially useful buffs. Can't wait to try these changes out in a couple months. *sigh*

Macchiato · Jul 30, 2015

FullMoon said:
Greninja basically has Brawl Falco lasers now lol.

Thanks Sakurai.

get ready for @

Ffamran rant

FullMoon · Jul 30, 2015

Soul. said:
is grab still garbage y/n

Only changes are shuriken has less start-up (5 frames less)

D-Throw does 1% less damage but has 7 less frames of endlag and can set-up footstools.

Grab is still bad.

But now Greninja controls so much space.

kenniky · Jul 30, 2015

http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/

Where is @

Lavani when you need him

Soul. · Jul 30, 2015

FullMoon said:
Only changes are shuriken has less start-up (5 frames less)

D-Throw does 1% less damage but has 7 less frames of endlag and can set-up footstools.

Grab is still bad.

But now Greninja controls so much space.

yes, i'm noticing the shuriken changes. good stuff.
they keep on giving frog more tools to footstool kek. what about SS hitstun cancel? is that still in?

FullMoon · Jul 30, 2015

Soul. said:
yes, i'm noticing the shuriken changes. good stuff.
they keep on giving frog more tools to footstool kek. what about SS hitstun cancel? is that still in?

Yup. Tested it with ZSS's Boost Kick, Sheik's rapid jab and MK's Tornado and he can escape all of them.

Rickster · Jul 30, 2015

Wow they really did destroy Fox's Jab Cancel...oh well at least they made his rapid Jab better to "compensate".

BJN39 · Jul 30, 2015

So I can read all of the Zelda hitbox changes, and I'll translate them for normal people shortly :secretkpop:

Rickster · Jul 30, 2015

BJN39 said:
So I can read all of the Zelda hitbox changes, and I'll translate them for normal people shortly

Based Zelda Momma has the eyes of Wisdom.

:secretkpop:

kenniky · Jul 30, 2015

BJN39 said:
So I can read all of the Zelda hitbox changes, and I'll translate them for normal people shortly

Can you teach me how to read this stuff I only understand stuff that's blatantly labeled

Trieste SP · Jul 30, 2015

Antonykun said:
Swordfighter can do down throw up air at higher percents btw

Really ?!

Yesssssss

Deleted member · Jul 30, 2015

tfw your mains were untouched for the update

Also @

Berserker. @r_greening1 @

BJN39

Y'all are making join the Max Caulfield bandwagon

Zylach · Jul 30, 2015

She did get hitbox changes? Fingers crossed.

Lavani · Jul 31, 2015

kenniky said:
http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/

Where is @ Lavani when you need him

cursing everyone that can't read the data but is looking at it anyway so I can't load it

BJN39 · Jul 31, 2015

Massive Jab edits. Hitboxes removed from bones and set in specific locations, smaller ones are bigger, angle and KB edits.

Code:

Jab
    all looping hitboxes
        bone 14/17/0 –> all 0
        damage 2.0 –> 2.5
        angle 361/361/80 –> 361/140/140
        wkb 40/30/7 –> 40/40/30
        size 2.5/3.0/4.0 –> 3.2/3.2/4.0
        z 3.0/0.0/0.0 –> 0.0/0.0/0.0
        y 0.0/0.0/12.5 –> all 12.5
        x 0.0/0.0/0.0 –> 5.5/9.5/13.0
    all final hitboxes
        bone 14/17/0 –> all 0
        damage 2.0 –> 3.0
        bkb 24 –> 35
        kbg 150 –> 130
        size 6.0/3.0/2.5 –> 6.0/3.6/3.6
        z 3.0/0.0/0.0 –> 0.0/0.0/0.0
        y 0.0/0.0/12.5 –> all 12.5
        x 0.0/0.0/0.0 –> 5.5/9.5/13.0

Dtilt
        damage 4.5 –> 5.5

Frame data for FAFs are currently un checked.

Also missing obvious Phantom Slash buffs. Wtf it causes ACTUALLY HITSTUN on the wind boxes.

Rickster · Jul 31, 2015

So wait...Jab got a slight range buff too?

Cress! · Jul 31, 2015

Wii Fit Trainer and Zelda get buffs. Falcon gets nerfed. Thank you from the bottom of my heart based Sakurai. Praise him.

「 Derk 」 · Jul 31, 2015

high tiers continue to get nurfed and Zelda continues to be buffed. It's really the small things in life that bring you true happiness.

This horse understands

S.F.L.R_9 · Jul 31, 2015

PK21 said:
Wii Fit Trainer and Zelda get buffs. Falcon gets nerfed. Thank you from the bottom of my heart based Sakurai. Praise him.

DASH GRAB THE CHARACTER GOT NERFED???

Rebel13 · Jul 31, 2015

Hi. New smashboards user hre. Just thought I'd give my 2 cents on the stuff I've found in this awesome patch. So the jab and d-tilt got buffed like other mentioned, but her aerials...

Fair and bair seem to have a bigger vertical hitbox, and dair hitbox is bigger horizontlly. Dair also does a LOT less knockback, it wouldn't even pop up grounded ROB (my testing buddy) until about 60%.

Side B also seems to have less landing lag out of a shorthop. Can someone confirm any of this? the placebo fear is getting to me

Edit: feels like downsmash has a larger hitbox, too.

Ffamran · Jul 31, 2015

Macchiato said:
get ready for @ Ffamran rant

Too busy playing Saints Row: The Third. Oh, and Windows 10. Still pretty BS that a character with a good projectile even after it was nerfed in the 3DS days gets buffed. Might as well remove Falco's Blaster since Reflector already does a better job as a projectile. Reflector should just be Falco's Neutral Special... As for Down Special? Just give him a RED Kick - it's essentially a longer traveling, anti-air version of Fox's Side Smash.

Nammy12 · Jul 31, 2015

Ffamran said:
Too busy playing Saints Row: The Third. Oh, and Windows 10. Still pretty BS that a character with a good projectile even after it was nerfed in the 3DS days gets buffed. Might as well remove Falco's Blaster since Reflector already does a better job as a projectile. Reflector should just be Falco's Neutral Special... As for Down Special? Just give him a RED Kick - it's essentially a longer traveling, anti-air version of Fox's Side Smash.

How is windows 10?

FullMoon · Jul 31, 2015

Robin has a Hoo-Hah on Mario starting at 117%

It's pretty precise though.

Cress! · Jul 31, 2015

S.F.L.R_9 said:
DASH GRAB THE CHARACTER GOT NERFED???

His fsmash still hits super far behind him which is my biggest annoyance with him but yeah. Nerfed. Woo.

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