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[Berserker.]

Shulk is a ******, all he does is SPEED SPEED SPEED JUMP SPEED SPEED SPEEED SHIELD SPEED.

That Shulk did things that made me scratch my head @_@

Good MK tho

Rosalina has no weaknesses FYI.

That's why she's 100-0 against everyone

 

[berserker00]

Also, some guy in FB said, "I honestly think Diddy is fine. I hope they don't nerf him."

...............

...............

He isn't even a Diddy main (and to my knowledge, he probably never fought one) -.-

This guy?

....

Oh the conformity.

I will hold off on updating my Sm4sh for now...

To layeth the smackdown on this guy with Diddy

 

[「 Derk 」]

The next time someone makes a Zelda video you should put elevator music in the background. Wonder how long it would take people to get the joke?

 

[Berserker.]

Oh the conformity.

I will hold off on updating my Sm4sh for now...

To layeth the smackdown on this guy with Diddy

Make sure you end it with a hoo hah!

 

[Rickster]

Uthrow>Uair finisher would be even better.

 

[Lavani]

1. Yeah. I remember testing it with my Rosalina friend and I couldn't roll out of Luma's rapid jab. Hold it long enough and it eats a ton of your shield & pushes you far enough away so that you can't punish.

I've got more replays where this happens now, except I have a ton of replays so I'm not entirely sure which ones are which. Jab can definitely be rolled out of though.

Also probably worth noting you can roll out of Palutena's Explosive Flame before the unblockable last hit if you're shielding it.

 

[EODM07]

The next time someone makes a Zelda video you should put elevator music in the background. Wonder how long it would take people to get the joke?

Here you go~

 

[2004Zilla]

My sister trolled 2 Rosalina fans on DeviantArt at one point. They both believed themselves to be the "actual lovers" of Rosalina..... One of them said that he was married with Rosalina and he was serious about it. He believed that Rosalina was real and actually alive. The other was obsessed with Rosalina eating people (making her look obscenely fat) and errr.... bleh. I don't want to get into the details

 

[PUK]

Yesterday i let a Diddy hit me until i get full rage just to elevator him at 23%
Ban Zelda

 

[EODM07]

Yesterday i let a Diddy hit me until i get full rage just to elevator him at 23%
Ban Zelda

Seriously? Zelda can kill that early with Rage!? o_o

Our gal is going ham on that monkey.

 

[Shrokatii]

Seriously? Zelda can kill that early with Rage!? o_o

Our gal is going ham on that monkey.

1.0.6:

Farores wind hitboxes replaced with windboxes

Dtilit damage reduced by 0.2%

 

[EODM07]

1.0.6:

Farores wind hitboxes replaced with windboxes

Dtilit damage reduced by 0.2%

I hope that ain't true. ;_;

 

[Shrokatii]

I hope that ain't true. ;_;

it's definitely possible, dedede got nerfed, wouldn't surprise me if Zelda did.

Then they might go and buff captain falcons grab range because it can't grab across the whole stage yet

 

[berserker00]

Yesterday i let a Diddy hit me until i get full rage just to elevator him at 23%
Ban Zelda

"Me? Low Tier?"
- Zelda 2015

 

[「 Derk 」]

That's why I fear an elevator nerf tomorrow. It's honestly the most broken move in the game with rage. One good read at 40% can pretty much guarantee a kill... and if you miss the read or don't feel comfortable committing due to opponent's DI you can just warp away instead of committing to the second hit.

I wouldn't mind a slight nerf to Farore's Wind as long as Sakurai at least gave her some much needed buffs. Fix her smashes Sakurai... I literally had a match of me f-smashing a jigglypuff and they fall out in the perfect angle to rest punish me. I also have a saved match of me f-smashing a Rosalina 3 times and they just simply fall out of it each time lol. Remove free fall from Din's Fire and fix Phantom Slash's massive blindspot. I'm not even asking for damage buffs or faster frame data. Just fix all the problems that should have never been a problem in the first place...

 

[warionumbah2]

Ok check this new discovery, when you select Ganon or Bowser the announcer makes his voice deep because they're the bad guys.

But when you select Villager he says it in the same tone. Is Villager evil? @Antonykun

 

[IsmaR]

Seriously? Zelda can kill that early with Rage!? o_o

 

[Shrokatii]

Ok check this new discovery, when you select Ganon or Bowser the announcer makes his voice deep because they're the bad guys.

But when you select Villager he says it in the same tone. Is Villager evil? @Antonykun

Same with Zelda

And sort of greninja and jigglypuff

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

What time is the patch scheduled to hit?
I have class tomorrow but I'm thinking of staying up all night if my body allows it

 

[Furret]

I would like to accuse @redfeatherraven for actually being @NonSpecificGuy

That's why I fear an elevator nerf tomorrow. It's honestly the most broken move in the game with rage. One good read at 40% can pretty much guarantee a kill... and if you miss the read or don't feel comfortable committing due to opponent's DI you can just warp away instead of committing to the second hit.

so long as sakurai gives me a kit that isn't like 3 moves anymore I'd be ok with this nerf

 

[warionumbah2]

Same with Zelda

And sort of greninja and jigglypuff

Zelda = Magic = Black Magic = Demon = Satan = Evil.

 

[Shrokatii]

What time is the patch scheduled to hit?
I have class tomorrow but I'm thinking of staying up all night if my body allows it

Well the online maintenance starts tonight at 11 and ends at 1 am I believe, so probably after that.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Well the online maintenance starts tonight at 11 and ends at 1 am I believe, so probably after that.

What timezone?

 

[Shrokatii]

What timezone?

Pst

 

[Rizen]

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I wouldn't mind a slight nerf to Farore's Wind as long as Sakurai at least gave her some much needed buffs. Fix her smashes Sakurai... I literally had a match of me f-smashing a jigglypuff and they fall out in the perfect angle to rest punish me. I also have a saved match of me f-smashing a Rosalina 3 times and they just simply fall out of it each time lol. Remove free fall from Din's Fire and fix Phantom Slash's massive blindspot. I'm not even asking for damage buffs or faster frame data. Just fix all the problems that should have never been a problem in the first place...

I agree. Zelda is a one move wonder with elevator; it's OP but her other moves are lacking. She needs have her moves buffed but in a balanced way and that means nerfing elevator's launch power.

 

[FullMoon]

Same with Zelda

And sort of greninja and jigglypuff

With Greninja I always felt like he was trying to make Greninja sound mysterious more than anything.

 

[BJN39]

That's why I fear an elevator nerf tomorrow. It's honestly the most broken move in the game with rage. One good read at 40% can pretty much guarantee a kill... and if you miss the read or don't feel comfortable committing due to opponent's DI you can just warp away instead of committing to the second hit.

I wouldn't mind a slight nerf to Farore's Wind as long as Sakurai at least gave her some much needed buffs. Fix her smashes Sakurai... I literally had a match of me f-smashing a jigglypuff and they fall out in the perfect angle to rest punish me. I also have a saved match of me f-smashing a Rosalina 3 times and they just simply fall out of it each time lol. Remove free fall from Din's Fire and fix Phantom Slash's massive blindspot. I'm not even asking for damage buffs or faster frame data. Just fix all the problems that should have never been a problem in the first place...

See, I was worried at first about elevator nerfs (And heck, they may happen.)

But Zelda's Elevator is hardly the worst offender of its type.

I mean, has anyone else noticed how multiple characters have a similar designed high KB up special? What about Mii Brawler? That thing is undoubtably more powerful as a KO move (And gets way more ridiculous with rage than Zelda's elevator.) then there's also ZSS's boost kick; and SHE can combo ez pz into it for even earlier KOs than an un rage boosted elevator. Than there is at least also to a lesser extent Shulk's up B off the top of my head. While not as crazy powerful still is a similar design. (Edit : Also, Dark Fists!)


I may have missed one or two, but Zelda doesn't even have the best of her up special KO design. It's not OP by any means, you can even avoid the power hit with mere DI. (Something I guess is possible against boost kick, but that's a little more random and less do able, I think.) I get the difference being Zelda's has good recovery capabilities, but there are other, more powerful variations of her up B that make me more confident that Zelda's KB power could be left alone.

 

[Fernosaur]

Yesterday i let a Diddy hit me until i get full rage just to elevator him at 23%
Ban Zelda

That reminds me last night I elevatored a Toon Link at around 47% before FW's damage too.

He tried to set up a trap with bombs in order to f-smash me, but I grabbed the bomb, dodged both hits and sent him to the top flor.

I was actually very surprised he died THAT early, because I wasn't even in rage yet, I was only at like 49% myself.

But then again...

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Pst

Oh, yeaaaaaaaaaah no
I'm definitely not staying up to 4AM on a Tuesday
*immediately listens to that song

 

[UkeNicky]

That's why I fear an elevator nerf tomorrow. It's honestly the most broken move in the game with rage. One good read at 40% can pretty much guarantee a kill... and if you miss the read or don't feel comfortable committing due to opponent's DI you can just warp away instead of committing to the second hit.

I wouldn't mind a slight nerf to Farore's Wind as long as Sakurai at least gave her some much needed buffs. Fix her smashes Sakurai... I literally had a match of me f-smashing a jigglypuff and they fall out in the perfect angle to rest punish me. I also have a saved match of me f-smashing a Rosalina 3 times and they just simply fall out of it each time lol. Remove free fall from Din's Fire and fix Phantom Slash's massive blindspot. I'm not even asking for damage buffs or faster frame data. Just fix all the problems that should have never been a problem in the first place...

I agree with all of this :D
is like basic elementary my dear Sakurai.

Hey, this is the first Smash that I have ever played and as a result I know nothing of past Zelda incarnations but I was tellin' my friend that I hope Din's Fire free fall gets removed in the next patch anf he had said that was unlikely cuz she's always had the free fall on it in every past title.
Is this true? Cuz I was like

 

[BJN39]

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Is this true? Cuz I was like

Dat GIF lol.

Yup. It's been there ever since Melee. That's kind of why some of us I think have moved away from bringing it up when we talk about wanted changes. NOT that we don't want it any less lol.

It's just when something THAT terrible makes it into a THIRD iteration, you begin to believe the design is intentionally staying.

 

[Furret]

Dat GIF lol.

Yup. It's been there ever since Melee. That's kind of why some of us I think have moved away from bringing it up when we talk about wanted changes. NOT that we don't want it any less lol.

It's just when something THAT terrible makes it into a THIRD iteration, you begin to believe the design is intentionally staying.

or even worse you feel the designer doesn't even care to work on the character what so ever. That she is only in the game because he was told to add said character to the game

 

[Rizen]

See, I was worried at first about elevator nerfs (And heck, they may happen.)

But Zelda's Elevator is hardly the worst offender of its type.

I mean, has anyone else noticed how multiple characters have a similar designed high KB up special? What about Mii Brawler? That thing is undoubtably more powerful as a KO move (And gets way more ridiculous with rage than Zelda's elevator.) then there's also ZSS's boost kick; and SHE can combo ez pz into it for even earlier KOs than an un rage boosted elevator. Than there is at least also to a lesser extent Shulk's up B off the top of my head. While not as crazy powerful still is a similar design. (Edit : Also, Dark Fists!)


I may have missed one or two, but Zelda doesn't even have the best of her up special KO design. It's not OP by any means, you can even avoid the power hit with mere DI. (Something I guess is possible against boost kick, but that's a little more random and less do able, I think.) I get the difference being Zelda's has good recovery capabilities, but there are other, more powerful variations of her up B that make me more confident that Zelda's KB power could be left alone.

DI doesn't always work for me to avoid the 2nd elevator hit but maybe I just suck at the timing. Zelda's elevator can be angled any direction and is imo the best recovery upB bar none. Yoshi might have a better upB overall because eggs are stupid but Zelda's is a close 2nd. Farow's is very versatile and doesn't have to be aimed up, unlike the other strong KOing upBs. The kill %s are pretty ridiculous imo.
Zelda should be buffed and have the rest of her moves work better but elevator deserves the nerf.

I agree other characters have good up specials and 100% agree with Mii fighter needing power nerfs. I think ZSS' upB can be DIed and the problem is her Uair. Shulk's upB doesn't seem OP to me; it's strong but predictable as a recovery. Dark Fists is a custom move i e 'powerful exploit' but Ganon is one of the few characters who I think is better balance with customs; having super strong hits is his thing. Ganon doesn't have good recovery distance.

 

[UkeNicky]

or even worse you feel the designer doesn't even care to work on the character what so ever. That she is only in the game because he was told to add said character to the game

I feel like Zelda the game deserves an extra character to represent the title.
Like oh, Idunno Ghirahim the absurdly fabulous.
We need a male equivalent of Zelda's sass and you KNOW he would fulfill it perfectly.
Oh gawd I could see one of his taunts being that violent tongue shake.
I'm not sure if it's creepy or arousing but I'll just go with both.

But I digress, if Din's Fire free fall is intentional then damn.
At least make the floaty slide during its casting be much longer/faster so we can actually get to the ledge >=>

 

[Fernosaur]

People keep overratining Mii Brawler's Up-B 2 >_>. It's not that powerful guys, I tell ya. I mean of course, if you do it really close to the edge it can kill at like 60%, but so can a lot of f-smashes. On top of that, if you DI up (and you're not, like, Jigglypuff or wtv) you can live even after 70%, and after that Brawler can't actually combo into his UpB from Fair because of KBG.

The elevator can actually be DI'd out of as well, and with this I don't mean DIing the first hit so that you don't get hit by the second. If you DI the second hit down you can live even past 80 or 90% depending on how close to the ledge you are. If you're close to a side blastzone you're probably gonna die but because of the horizontal distance, which would have happened if you were hit by the reappearing hitbox of FW anyways, even if you were grounded.

The moves are very powerful, yeah, but they can be avoided in higher level play. You just have to know how to get out of them and where to DI.

 

[BJN39]

DI doesn't always work for me to avoid the 2nd elevator hit but maybe I just suck at the timing. Zelda's elevator can be angled any direction and is imo the best recovery upB bar none. Yoshi might have a better upB overall because eggs are stupid but Zelda's is a close 2nd. Farow's is very versatile and doesn't have to be aimed up, unlike the other strong KOing upBs. The kill %s are pretty ridiculous imo.
Zelda should be buffed and have the rest of her moves work better but elevator deserves the nerf.

I agree other characters have good up specials and 100% agree with Mii fighter needing power nerfs. I think ZSS' upB can be DIed and the problem is her Uair. Shulk's upB doesn't seem OP to me; it's strong but predictable as a recovery. Dark Fists is a custom move i e 'powerful exploit' but Ganon is one of the few characters who I think is better balance with customs; having super strong hits is his thing. Ganon doesn't have good recovery distance.

Zelda should be buffed and have the rest of her moves work better but elevator deserves the nerf.

but elevator deserves the nerf.

Wait...What?!

Maybe I misunderstand and you meant "If we have to lose elevator to get moveset buffs than bye elevator." But if you legit think Elevator should just be nerfed, idk what to think... ;_;

 

[Lorde]

The main advice thread is hilarious. I swear to God that everyone on there is like 10.

Spoiler: Sample Main Advice Post I Made but fits in with what it's like

"hi guize smsh 4 is my 1rd smsh game (im 9 yrs old ok #90s kid) and i cant deside between . i want my main to be cool with a cool costume, i want a rly good main who is fast with $wag combos, and i want a good projectile with good melee attacks with range and power. that's all tysm"

and then they post later saying, "ok i'm going to main ! tysm 4 the help!!!!!"

The thread gives me strength when I have none.

 

[「 Derk 」]

If I had to make a wishlist for tomorrow it would be:

• Pocket Phantom. Zelda immediately jumps up the tier list by having a save approach and a safe ranged kill option. Would probably put her around B tier imo. Phantom Breaker would be extremely scary for shield pressure now.
  
• No free fall on Din's Fire. Din's Blaze becomes a nightmare for opponents trying to recover. You can now chase them offstage while setting a trap at the same time. You can also set a blaze when recovering similar to how DDD sticks a gordo on the edge of the stage. You can actually do this now but it's extremely dangerous due to free fall and such.
  
• Nayru's Rejection no longer deals damage or the damage is like Fox's lazers. Now the move can see some actual use as a cape!
• Nair auto-cancels. Fast falling nair to elevator would be pretty nifty
• Fix F-smash and U-smash
• Move Nayru's Love intangibility from 5-12 to 1-8. So tired of seeing this move canceled by every attack in the game... My favorite is getting grabbed during the animation and it not breaking the grab so you just see an awkward blue crystal during the opponent's throw lol. This wont happen.

What we will probably get:

• Farore's Wind nerf.
• Nayru's Love nerf.
  
• 2% added to Din's Fire to balance the FW and NL nerfs.

 

[Ffamran]

The main advice thread is hilarious. I swear to God that everyone on there is like 10.

Spoiler: Sample Main Advice Post

"hi guize smsh 4 is my 1rd smsh game (im 9 yrs old ok #90s kid) and i cant deside between . i want my main to be cool with a cool costume, i want a rly good main who is fast with $wag combos, and i want a good projectile with good melee attacks with range and power. that's all tysm"

and then they post later saying, "ok i'm going to main ! tysm 4 the help!!!!!"

The thread gives me strength when I have none.

Whoa there... 9-year olds aren't even allowed on SWF without parental consent. The minimum age is either 13 or 14. I swear if this is a troll post...

 

[Locke 06]

I've got more replays where this happens now, except I have a ton of replays so I'm not entirely sure which ones are which. Jab can definitely be rolled out of though.

Also probably worth noting you can roll out of Palutena's Explosive Flame before the unblockable last hit if you're shielding it.

Hmm... I'll have to look into it. I think you can't roll if you're too far into staryu allowing the finisher to be safe. I know you can't roll if you're between Rosa and staryu... Or if you can, you have a small window between both repeating hitboxes.

I do know about explosive flame. I spent last night exploiting customs with my new smash4 Seattle friends and how dumb some customs are. Custom tena, custom Kirby (lol giant hammer), custom Marcina (cancer slash)... I love customs, but it's just so different...