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Even if it was used by Demise, I think it'd be pretty sweet if Ganondorf used his sword. It kind of makes sense, since Ganondorf is an incarnation of his hatred.
It just "fits" Ganondorf to me.
Whoa!!! If Ganondorf wields this sword. He'll probably be stronger than Ike.Even if it was used by Demise, I think it'd be pretty sweet if Ganondorf used his sword. It kind of makes sense, since Ganondorf is an incarnation of his hatred.
It just "fits" Ganondorf to me.
Now THAT's what I'm talkin' about! Pure badassery right there!
Why are people so dead set on Ghirahim being playable? To me it seems no different to people who ask for Skull Kid and people who seemed absolutely certain Zant would be playable in Brawl. Ghirahim is just Skyward Sword's Aghanim (i.e. the main antagonists worker b*tch).
Agreed. Smash has never been a place for one-shot characters, (except FE, and now with DLC, even they aren't one-shots anymore).
There was also Earthbound but to be fair, you can't really pull a protagonist from those games that's not 1-shot. Not to mention that Roy was put in for advertisement purposes which is something unfeasible for Ghirahim now.
Well to be fair also Lucas is a one-shot character.
They're one-shot characters from franchises that either only have one game in their series, have a cast that completely changes with each game (hence, there are no worthy re-occurring characters to choose from), or in Sheik's case, a gimmick for a character that isn't a "one-shot" so to speak. The circumstances are far different to that of Ghirahim.
The difference is that all those characters, except maybe Sheik, were far more obscure than Ghirahim.
You must not forget that Lucas wasn't obscure in Japan and had popular demand.
Are you serious? (-_-);
How many obscure characters have they introduced from the Zelda series so far? How about obscure characters from the Mario series? Metroid? Starfox?
Just because one time characters havent gotten in before doesnt automatically make it so for every game after. And besides with all the main characters already present they will at some point have to dip into that territory, i mean why limit the game in that way or by just having a character in because they are reacurring in that series, otherwise its just tingle and we really shouldnt have to resort to that just to stick to some vapor rule of more than one appearance.
Well no, but if we want to go into that kind of dangerous territory, I could say "just because anime characters haven't gotten in before doesn't make it so for every game after". A nonsensical suggestion, I'm sure you'll agree. Although Sakurai is fairly erratic in some of his decisions at times, there are still some patterns he follows. Sure, he may not follow them next game, but for the sake of discussion I think it's pretty fair to assume that for the most part, Sakurai's idea of what makes a character 'Smash-worthy' probably hasn't changed that much between Brawl and now.
I know that, im not suggesting that every wild fantasy can be possible because its a different game and he would radically change the way they do things. But he could change his mind, and adding in characters with fewer appearences isnt a massive jump by any means in comparison to letting in non game characters or something like that. Of course history and their design patterns may repeat, but i dont think it would ever keep them from bringing in an interesting character who might end up being kinda unique. I say resort to tingle because like it or not hes not loved by all, and really if they stick to only recurring characters that have exposure the pool gets extremely shallow.
Tingle has a fanbase in Japan. He has two spin-off games of his own. He is Link's Yoshi.
Thinning out the amount of potential newcomers would be a good thing though, right? After all, they've suggested that there will be less newcomers in SSB4 than there were in Brawl - and I personally wouldn't want those roster spots to be used on anything less than Nintendo (or third party) All-Stars, rather than just general Nintendo characters. Those spots on the roster would be better spent on either diversifying the amount of franchises being represented, or filling the remaining gaps in terms of franchises already represented (Bowser Jr. and Toad for example being some of the only actual 'main' Mario characters left unrepresented).
The problem with this argument is that Ghirahim appeared in the 16th (not 17th btw) and latest game in the series, so his opportunity to be more influential is based solely on SS and future plans for the character. There are two Zelda games in the works right now and if Ghirahim is featured in either, Nintendo would surely let Sakurai know about this. Who knows? Ghirahim could become a staple of the franchise with Skyward Sword his starting point. It's never too late to become important. It's the role you play and the legend you leave that lends credence to your remembrance.
I don't think Ghirahim will be in Wind Waker HD. Just saying.
Not that I know of.
Doubtful. I'm holding out for Toon Zelda/Tetra honestly
Actually the next game that is in development was included in that. Yes, as of now I don't know he won't appear in the next t game but there's no reason for me to believe so yet. I can only go by what I know as of date but should Ghirahim become a recurring character I'd welcome his inclusion.
The issue with making that comparison is that Sakurai specifically said no anime characters. He never said, "No one-shot characters." Granted, yes, he could change his mind, but it's still something significant to note, yes? And while yes it is impossible to draw a line ourselves between what he is willing to do and what not, it doesn't follow that because he does something out of what he has done in the past that he is going to go to even further extremes or is equally likely to incorporate something decidedly more extreme than something that might be interpreted as somewhat extreme. Besides, the fact that the unincorporated characters is running out of juice might allow for a more liberal approach, perhaps to a small degree.
In the end, isn't that kind of what it is? We can try to make logical arguments about why a character would be represented over others, but we'd simply be pretending to know what is going through Sakurai's mind and the even more unpredictable variable of what he's been testing and hearing in his progress. And who is to say that Sakurai is uninterested in what the mob of fans have to say about what they want?
In fairness, the whole anime thing was an over-exaggeration to drive a point home, but yeah - I see what you're saying. Maybe I'm just jaded and skeptical due to the whole build-up to Brawl; everybody wanted this character or that character but at the end of the day, a lot of the character choices, bar a few, were the "obvious" vanilla choices, so to speak, rather than the curveballs (but fan-favourites nonetheless - remember when people thought Geno was a shoe-in?). Again as an example, there was widespread support for Zant, but in the end it didn't happen, and Ghirahim is effectively in the same boat, until the next Zelda game comes out that is.
If anything, I'd say the opposite is true. The fact that many franchises didn't even get new reps in Brawl (Mario, Zelda, F-Zero, to name a few) speaks volumes about the decision-making process that Sakurai goes through - to me, it says that Sakurai would rather not give a franchise another rep at all than add a character who he does not feel is prominent enough to warrant a spot over other "more important" (in his eyes at least) characters. Whether that remains to be the case in SSB4 is still up in the air, but I shouldn't think it's too illogical to think he'd want to exhaust more iconic characters and ones from as-of-yet unrepresented franchises before he gets around to one-shot characters like Ghirahim.
I can completely agree with this. Sakurai's an oddball, I'll give you that - to truly make educated guesses we'll need to see a first trailer of SSB4 to see what direction they're actually taking the franchise in. But for the time being? We can only make do with trying to use Sakurai's past (albeit somewhat inconsistent) patterns when it comes to guessing how the roster will expand. But you know, I'd love to be proven wrong by the Smash team, since there are plenty of 'unlikely' characters (Eggman, Simon Belmont, Suicune, Jimmy T., King Boo, the list goes on) that I'd love to see in Smash. For the mean time though, you could say that I'm keeping my guesses conservative, since we have no indicator so far that Sakurai's methodology for choosing characters will be much different to how it was in the last few titles.
I was one of those people who thought Geno was a shoe-in simply by the fact that he would have been ridiculously fun to play with. In fact I still want him in somewhere in my heart.. Anyways, like some others have been saying, and I have said ad nauseum on the SSB4 threads in the past, I still think Ghirahim is more likely to make further appearances on multiple accounts. I am by no means professing his inevitable return, I do although hesitate to compare Ghirahim's boat to Zant's boat congruently.
Of course you are probably right here, I just personally find when looking at some of the fan-made rosters, even when they are trying to do what they think is "likely", it can already be seen that some of the additions are more liberal than what Brawl was willing to do (such as, not adding a Mario or Zelda newcomer), for Brawl had no necessity or less necessity for liberal selection. Naturally this has nothing to do with Sakurai, but for what the imaginings of the fan-base are worth, it may or may not mean less "persistent" characters in the Sakurai roster.
Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess didn't really affect roster decisions heavily though, did they? As has been said, we didn't exactly see Zant in SSBB or some other N64 era character in Melee. Every Zelda character introduced so far has been a main character, or very closely related to one (Sheik being a character transformation and Toon/Young Link as a clone). The most recent Zelda game would seem to indicate what visual style they'll be in, but the appearance of Sheik in Brawl and the lack of Zelda newcomers in it says to me that they don't follow the most recent Zelda to the letter - they just use it for visual cues.
Most of the characters in each roster were at least based off of those games, visually and certain moves. The only one that probably wouldn't have is the original since there was only Link.
They don't necessarily need another one, but it is possible. Others need it too. But still, Ghirahim is not a minor villain. He plays a big role in Skyward Sword.
