Zelda Franchise Discussion

[Robert of Normandy]

This has just gotten ridiculous....

 

[jigglover]

Ok, smashshadow, should we stop this? In the famous words of shinpichu: 'This has just gotten ridiculous....' Lets just call it a draw, I mean, that whole page has about 8 posts due to the sheer size of our comments!

 

[SmashShadow]

Ok, smashshadow, should we stop this? In the famous words of shinpichu: 'This has just gotten ridiculous....' Lets just call it a draw, I mean, that whole page has about 8 posts due to the sheer size of our comments!

I guess so Lol. This whole thing is starting to look like a travesty!

 

[Pichu4SSB4]

Your posts became tl;dr material, good thing you two stopped it.

 

[bubbaking]

On the subject of Zelda, Sheik, and most of all, IMPA.....
This was pulled off the TL sub-forum. Impa is preferred over Sheik.
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Tbh, I'd actually like for more pokes to be added, and I'd also like for the PT Pokemon to be separated. As for LoZ chars, I can't really see many other chars with enough diversity and room for expansion to be added. For me, I'd like Impa to become a character. She's recently seen a lot of action in Skyward Sword, and an incarnation of her has constantly been in nearly every very LoZ game. Also, if MM is really re-done, perhaps Link and YL/TL could be combined into the MM Link (all the masks + Fierce Deity)?

So you'd be okay with like 6-7+ slots for different Pokemon? Just curious.
Also, the Zelda suggestions seem good, especially Impa. But honestly, Skull Kid would be great. I think if they do remake MM for 3DS it should be Skull Kid to get in rather than Masked Link.

Besides how unique and awesome his moveset would be, here are some other reasons:
For one, he'd have the same problem, as TL. The fact that he's Link and that's annoying. Secondly, Skull Kid is more recurring than Impa/MM Link. He's not just from MM. He's in at least Oot and TP too. Come to think of it, he is also sort of marionette-like, and could be a sort of happy medium for the few Geno fans.

As long as the Pokemon are radically different, I could support that many slots being given to the Pokemon. We already give six (eight if you count DK and Diddy) slots to Mario series chars. Also, Impa is definitely more recurring than the Skull Kid. She's been in nearly every LoZ game, including the 2D ones. You may not have recognized her, because she wasn't always the slim/muscular Impa that we recognize from OoT and SS.

I actually was just talking about Masked Link, but for some reason I wrote Impa as well. I honestly have no explanation for that other than I wasn't paying much attention. You're right, Impa is in a lot of Zeldas. Impa would be cool. But she may be very Sheik-like.

Depends on which Impa you use. OoT Impa, yes, because that is what Sheik was based on, but SS Impa was very different and had some cool moves, such as a large force field and that Rasengan-like move that blew up when it hit the ground.

IMPA!

*bro fist*

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As you can see, everyone involved in that exchange wanted Impa.

The subject was also brought up on the Zelda sub-forum and the idea wasn't looked down upon in the slightest (three people supported it and no one disagreed with it).
Here's a compact convo for that if you'd like.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Zelda was completely redesigned both visually to look like the new Skyward Sword Zelda and moveset wise. Shiek can be replaced with impa or w/e that ladies name was and Zelda will be her own character for once.

If they do that I will miss TP Zelda though, new one is too young imo.

But I like Sheik, even if she's no longer present in the storyline outside of OoT. If anything, they should keep a Sheikah representative, especially since Sheikahs are present in Skyward Sword.

I'm all for Zelda for being a standalone character. The problem I always felt with Zelda/Sheik and Samus/Zamus is that they were meant to complement each other, but switching was always so inefficient that it was easier to stay as one character or the game was heavily in favor of one or the other.


Impa's our next choice. I say Sheik should be an unlockable alt. though to keep everyone happy.

Dat DLC!

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[DragonSniperNintendo]

Link and Zelda would be their Skyward Sword selves, and Impa would be the Sheik character.

Ganondorf either stays Twilight Princess or becomes Ocarina of Time 3D. Toon Link is there for Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks.

And the new character is Ghirahim, also representing Skyward Sword.

Link will have his Skyloft costume as an alternate costume, Zelda will have her priestess dress as her alternate costume, and Toon Link will have his Conductor outfit as his alternate costume.

Link and Zelda will have Ocarina of Time 3D costumes as other alternate costumes, and that version of Zelda has Sheik instead.

 

[bubbaking]

Ohhh, SS Zelda tagging out to Impa could actually be legit! What do you mean by "priestess dress"?

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Ohhh, SS Zelda tagging out to Impa could actually be legit! What do you mean by "priestess dress"?

I don't know the exact name, but whatever the dress she was wearing at the end of Skyward Sword. That white robe looking outfit.

Her main would be the Skyloft pink outfit.

 

[bubbaking]

Oh, ok, gotcha!

 

[SmashShadow]

How would people feel if Sheik was removed from Zelda, replaced by Impa as a separate character and Sheik was made into an alternate skin for Impa who would inherit her moveset except for down B and Final Smash?

 

[Dark Phazon]

I wouldn't consider Ganondorf a absolute guarantee. While very, very likely, he does have "some" competition from Demise

I'd love to see a secondary villain; primarily one of the one-shot antagonists; primarily Skull Kid but I highly, highly doubt he can/will get in. So, for a new zelda rep that isn't a version of Link, I am placing my hope in Toon Zelda. But even that is unlikely.

If they cut Ganondorf everyone will go bezerk like the Mewtwo cut.

Even i would be mad and i dont play Zelda at all!

 

[bubbaking]

How would people feel if Sheik was removed from Zelda, replaced by Impa as a separate character and Sheik was made into an alternate skin for Impa who would inherit her moveset except for down B and Final Smash?

I'm fine with that, of course.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

How would people feel if Sheik was removed from Zelda, replaced by Impa as a separate character and Sheik was made into an alternate skin for Impa who would inherit her moveset except for down B and Final Smash?

I don't know.

It would be interesting but it would take up a spot that could be used for another Zelda character.

Who knows really?

 

[SmashShadow]

I don't know.

It would be interesting but it would take up a spot that could be used for another Zelda character.

Who knows really?

Not if Toon Link is also made into an alt for link. Then there will be the same as there were in brawl.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Not if Toon Link is also made into an alt for link. Then there will be the same as there were in brawl.

Wouldn't the height difference make that almost impossible?

Also, would a Skyward Sword move-set work for Toon Link as well?

 

[SmashShadow]

Wouldn't the height difference make that almost impossible?

Also, would a Skyward Sword move-set work for Toon Link as well?

What I meant is not giving Tink a roster spot but rather make him selectable from links icon. He wouldn't have to under-go any changes.

 

[bubbaking]

Alts rarely have changed movesets just because of how they look. Hacked Brawl takes this to the extreme. All that matters is that the char is represented in a cameo by the skin's appearance. It's a compromise.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

What I meant is not giving Tink a roster spot but rather make him selectable from links icon. He wouldn't have to under-go any changes.

Toon Link with Skyward Sword Link's move-set? Cool, I will take it.

Rolling bombs FTW

Alts rarely have changed movesets just because of how they look. Hacked Brawl takes this to the extreme. All that matters is that the char is represented in a cameo by the skin's appearance. It's a compromise.

This, it would just be alternate costumes (the likes of Jogging Suit for Little Mac or Skyloft Outfit for Link) and alternate characters (like Awakening Roy for Marth and Adult Isaac for Matthew).

Same move-sets, new look.

Edit: I see every character getting AT LEAST one alt costume. Alt Characters will only apply to some of the roster.

 

[SmashShadow]

I agree with only some of the characters would have alts and that they should mainly be restricted to cut veteran clone characters that were essentially the same character.

Although I do disagree when it comes to Roy as he is his own character unlike the likes of Tink and Doctor Mario.

 

[bubbaking]

Raichu and Pichu alts for Pika!

Edit: I personally think Roy is as much a clone char as Doc is.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

I agree with only some of the characters would have alts and that they should mainly be restricted to cut veteran clone characters that were essentially the same character.

Although I do disagree when it comes to Roy as he is his own character unlike the likes of Tink and Doctor Mario.

Yeah only some character would have an alt character but everyone would have at least one alt costume.

Costumes being another version of that character. Alt characters being an entirely different character that could work with the same moveset.

Also, that might be the best for Roy as he would still have quite the similarities to Marth.

 

[SmashShadow]

Raichu and Pichu alts for Pika!

Edit: I personally think Roy is as much a clone char as Doc is.

I mean that he is actually a separate character from his series.
Doc = Mario
Tink = Link
Pichu = Pikachu
Roy =/= obviously isn't Marth


@DragonSniperNintendo
Many people want Roy decloned because he wasn't Marth and had lots of potential to have his own moveset.

 

[bubbaking]

Yeah, I see what you're saying. It's like Ike.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

I mean that he is actually a separate character from his series.
Doc = Mario
Tink = Link
Pichu = Pikachu
Roy =/= obviously isn't Marth


@DragonSniperNintendo
Many people want Roy decloned because he wasn't Marth and had lots of potential to have his own moveset.

Even so, they would still have some similarites, both being light sword users from the series.

Not saying they wouldn't be different at all though.

 

[3Bismyname]

nah Marth has enough variations that he doesnt need Roy as an alt costume.

likewise with Roy but to a lesser degree.

 

[FalKoopa]

They need to get even on the number of alt costumes for each char. Wario got away with 12 total, but Pikachu had only 4.

 

[3Bismyname]

well there is a difference between alt costume and a pallet swap. really Wario got 2 costumes while everyone else had their standard 1. looking at pallet swaps, yes Pikachu had the least in brawl while everyone else (with the exception of Wario) had 5 or 6.

 

[bubbaking]

But pallet swaps are just color changes, right? If that's the case, then Pika and Jiggs got the most alt costumes, along with Pichu in Melee.

 

[Arcadenik]

How would people feel if Sheik was removed from Zelda, replaced by Impa as a separate character and Sheik was made into an alternate skin for Impa who would inherit her moveset except for down B and Final Smash?

What if Zelda gets two costumes, one based on Ocarina of Time 3D and the other based on Skyward Sword, where SS Zelda "incorrectly transforms" into Impa and OOT Zelda "correctly transforms" into Sheik? Personally I would rather see OOT Impa instead of Sheik but this seems like the only way to avoid the Sheik fans and the "anti-cut" people from hurting their butts.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Thing is, I want Impa with a different kind of moveset than Sheik. And there's a LOT that Impa can do that they didn't / couldn't do with Sheik. Sheik's special moves could always become alternatives for Impa, if we get to have selectable special moves.

I like the idea of Impa being a stance character, having about 3 different ways of attacking, one being offensive / speedy (like Sheik), one more defending (her regular stance, fighting with her palms and whatnot-like Lucario- she'd also use magic in her moves) and a more balanced stance (not sure what sort of pose she'd take now but perhaps she'd grab a ninja-like weapon as a combat knife or nunchucks).

At the very least, Impa should set herself appart from Sheik because of that barrier she used in that one cutscene. That'd be an awesome move, and something Smash lacks.

With Namco working togheter with Sakurai, and there not being a lot of possible characters to have a more 'humanoid' fighting style (outside of Little Mac), I could see Impa bringing a bit of regular fighting game's fighting styles to Smash Bros. and that's something many people would welcome I feel.

 

[bubbaking]

With Namco working togheter with Sakurai, and there not being a lot of possible characters to have a more 'humanoid' fighting style (outside of Little Mac), I could see Impa bringing a bit of regular fighting game's fighting styles to Smash Bros. and that's something many people would welcome I feel.

I know it's a hack, but Project M's Gokaryu (Lucario)!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah but I mean a character that can swap between movesets so to say, if only for her tilts and Smash attacks. Aerials and specials can stay the same regardless of what stance Impa would be in.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

What if Zelda gets two costumes, one based on Ocarina of Time 3D and the other based on Skyward Sword, where SS Zelda "incorrectly transforms" into Impa and OOT Zelda "correctly transforms" into Sheik? Personally I would rather see OOT Impa instead of Sheik but this seems like the only way to avoid the Sheik fans and the "anti-cut" people from hurting their butts.

Sheik's moveset would work well for Impa, with some changes.

Skyward Sword Zelda would be the main Zelda version in the game, where she "switches out" for Impa. Not transform. One is off the battlefield and switches out with the other. The transformation animation is them switching places.

The alt costume is Ocarina of Time 3D Zelda though, and Sheik stays for that. The animation would represent a transformation for this costume.

Thing is, I want Impa with a different kind of moveset than Sheik. And there's a LOT that Impa can do that they didn't / couldn't do with Sheik. Sheik's special moves could always become alternatives for Impa, if we get to have selectable special moves.

I like the idea of Impa being a stance character, having about 3 different ways of attacking, one being offensive / speedy (like Sheik), one more defending (her regular stance, fighting with her palms and whatnot-like Lucario- she'd also use magic in her moves) and a more balanced stance (not sure what sort of pose she'd take now but perhaps she'd grab a ninja-like weapon as a combat knife or nunchucks).

At the very least, Impa should set herself appart from Sheik because of that barrier she used in that one cutscene. That'd be an awesome move, and something Smash lacks.

With Namco working togheter with Sakurai, and there not being a lot of possible characters to have a more 'humanoid' fighting style (outside of Little Mac), I could see Impa bringing a bit of regular fighting game's fighting styles to Smash Bros. and that's something many people would welcome I feel.

Do you mean "humanoid" fighting style as in a fighting style for a human character that could be realistic? Or for just a human styled character?

Because if it is the second, we already have those in Smash and will get more like Sin & Punishment, Golden Sun, etc.

Just wondering.

 

[bubbaking]

Yo, you might wanna take it easy with the double posts. Use the edit button.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Yo, you might wanna take it easy with the double posts. Use the edit button.

I have been but when I replied to these posts, I did them too close in time.

 

[Big-Cat]

On the topic of costumes, I think it should be:

Skyloft Zelda + Skyward Sword Impa
A Skyward Sword variation on Zelda's traditional dress + Skyward Sword update of Sheik.

On how Impa might play with stances, I say a mix of Sheik's stuff and an Aikido based stance could be neat.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Zelda for SSB4:

Main Costume: Skyward Sword Skyloft Outfit w/ Skyward Sword Impa

Alt Costume: Skyward Sword White Dress Outfit w/ Skyward Sword Impa (w/ Scarf/Cloak)

Alt Character: Ocarina of Time 3D Zelda w/ Ocarina of Time 3D Sheik

 

[Ember Reaper]

On the topic of costumes, I think it should be:

Skyloft Zelda + Skyward Sword Impa
A Skyward Sword variation on Zelda's traditional dress + Skyward Sword update of Sheik.

On how Impa might play with stances, I say a mix of Sheik's stuff and an Aikido based stance could be neat.

Zelda for SSB4:

Main Costume: Skyward Sword Skyloft Outfit w/ Skyward Sword Impa

Alt Costume: Skyward Sword White Dress Outfit w/ Skyward Sword Impa (w/ Scarf/Cloak)

Alt Character: Ocarina of Time 3D Zelda w/ Ocarina of Time 3D Sheik

I've been saying ideas like this for the longest time. It would be perfect. We would keep Sheik, but also have Impa. I still think Sheik should take priority though, But having multiple costumes is good too.

SS Zelda with Impa
SS Zelda with SS version of Sheik
TP Zelda with Sheik
OOT Zelda with Sheik.... though theres little difference there...

good stuff that is

 

[Diddy Kong]

Do you mean "humanoid" fighting style as in a fighting style for a human character that could be realistic? Or for just a human styled character?

Because if it is the second, we already have those in Smash and will get more like Sin & Punishment, Golden Sun, etc.

Just wondering.

Well, I meant more like they are using some form of material arts. Golden Sun and Sin & Punishment do not really have characters that fight with material arts though.

Sheik as an alternate to Impa would be cool though. But they cannot coexcist on the roster though.

 

[Big-Cat]

Tell that to Christie, Eddie, and Tiger Jackson, Kuma and Panda, Xiaoyu and Miharu, Jaycee and Michelle, Lee and Violet, Jun and Unknown, Bob and Slim Bob, Roger Jr. and Alex, and Lili and Sebastian. Damn, that's a lot of clones.