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[Swiss]

Hey, X1.

GG no re.

 

[X1-12]

and thats weak

10weaks

Even Night cop still = Even Night cop.



also Gova and Nabe view but chose not to post, interesting.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Don't lump us together if you're not going to say the same about DH, dear. Let's not be selective.

 

[X1-12]

Don't lump us together if you're not going to say the same about DH, dear. Let's not be selective.

So x1 is lying again...first, his claim. Next, how he was going to fake reports, and now, lying about PM change? How many peopl here still believe him?

 

[Swiss]

and thats weak

10weaks

Even Night cop still = Even Night cop.



also Gova and Nabe view but chose not to post, interesting.

Even night cop doesn't include N0 for the same reason normal cop doesn't include N0.

The mechanics of your role have not been changed, the mod confirmed it.

I'm done with you, X1.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

srsly @ this point i'm thinkin' x1s intention is somethin' completely different. not goin' in2 detail cuz it might screw with wut hes try'na do [or what i think hes try'na do] and i can c good results if im readin' him rite. x1, i srsly hope ull b able 2 give us sum constructive results tho. like, i still dun hav no reason to trust u, k? nothin' against u personally i jus' dont see y i should buy it n i wont buy it fo' good b4 we have results.

n 3 prods on d1 r ridic. like, i already think we need moar input from peepz like gova n bad n now we got liek 3 moar inactives? down 2 lynch deadweight.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

n "bad" is sup. 2 b bed as in sir bedevere, ya dig?

 

[X1-12]

Desert

Ask anyone who's modded a game here but when you get your set-up reviewed, what happens is you write a list of all the roles, they don't like see the role PMs or anything.

My role is still Even Night Cop, very little has changed

@Swiss: vote me.



K-K-K-K-KEVIN!

 

[X1-12]

You ninja'd me

srsly @ this point i'm thinkin' x1s intention is somethin' completely different. not goin' in2 detail cuz it might screw with wut hes try'na do [or what i think hes try'na do] and i can c good results if im readin' him rite. x1, i srsly hope ull b able 2 give us sum constructive results tho. like, i still dun hav no reason to trust u, k? nothin' against u personally i jus' dont see y i should buy it n i wont buy it fo' good b4 we have results.

n 3 prods on d1 r ridic. like, i already think we need moar input from peepz like gova n bad n now we got liek 3 moar inactives? down 2 lynch deadweight.

 

[Swiss]

Gheb I know exactly what you're thinking. But the time has come and gone, surely.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oh, you're right. His post lastpaged, didn't see it.

I thought BSL was scum, I don't anymore.

Why's that?

Anyone who's played with us before or who has seen this play before. To the best of my knowledge that's Swords, Gheb, Bed, X1 (though he instigated it), Kuz (in hindsight) I don't recall if other people know.

Has your read on these players changed? What's your read on me?

He's also confirmed he has a guilty on me. How can he have a guilty on me AND be sane? Look at it from SwissTown perspective.

I am looking at it from SwissTown perspective. If he says he's sane and you're guilty, and you know you're not guilty, then it doesn't make sense to question his sanity, it makes sense to say he's lying and leave it there. Anyway, I don't think this is scummy per se, I'm just confused about your motive in questioning his sanity at all.

You actually believe that Gord could've gone and PM'd the framer saying "O btw send me an action for N0 as well, hope u guess right!". This game is meant to be about subterfuge and detection. Blind dumb luck isn't what mafia is about.

You're right, that was dumb on my part.

 

[Gova]

@ Gova - What do you think if the back and forth between DH and BSL?

What do you think of Kuz' buddying up to me?

I think it was just miscommunication but, I didn't really like it on BSL's part imo. I read it like this.

DH responds to Kuz calling him scum.
BSL asks why DH would say that because Kuz hasn't posted in a while.
DH says that he'd rather deal with it now than later.
Then it fell into the "what's my point" debate which was stupid.

Imo Kuz was only buddying up to you in what he thought was RVS. In all likely hood he's probably doing it just because you've played together before and are a strong player.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Wait, lol X1 said he hadn't. My mistake. He's still scum.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Ask anyone who's modded a game here but when you get your set-up reviewed, what happens is you write a list of all the roles, they don't like see the role PMs or anything.

Sold2 saw all the role PMs for my setup. But he could've just not looked at Gord's. It really doesn't matter to me, this is all a little too uncomfortable-meta.

I would take a lynch of X1, assuming Swiss claims a role. As even night cop, X1 won't be acting toNight anyway, so if Swiss' claim were more useful toNight, he's who I'd keep. For now though, vote staying on Swiss.

 

[Swiss]

Sold2 saw all the role PMs for my setup. But he could've just not looked at Gord's. It really doesn't matter to me, this is all a little too uncomfortable-meta.

I would take a lynch of X1, assuming Swiss claims a role. As even night cop, X1 won't be acting toNight anyway, so if Swiss' claim were more useful toNight, he's who I'd keep. For now though, vote staying on Swiss.

What changed your stance from my lynch to X1's? Also this is practically begging me to claim a PR.

/other responses 2mo

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Since you pointed out that a framer couldn't have acted, the only thing that keeps this Swiss/X1 situation from being a duality is that you could be a miller. He claims sane cop with a guilty on you, you claim he's lying. If you're not a miller, then no other things could be taking effect here, making it a duality; it's your word versus his word. Therefore, if you had a good role that would help out toNight, I'd take X1's lynch over yours since his claim of even cop wouldn't be able to act toNight at all.

I do think you should claim. It's in town's best interest to make this situation a duality. It'll be quick and clean; we can finish this situation up with either toDay's or toMorrow's lynch, and get back to actual scumhunting.

Plus, if you were actually a VT, you would've claimed already. It's obvious that you're either a PR or scum, and scum already knows the answer to that.

 

[X1-12]

Never assume some things

Town -
- Doctor Kenzou Tenma (doctor, unknown miller)

miller is not VT exclusive

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Fair enough. But a role claim is still valuable if it's better than even cop, so it would depend on his claim really. For now, I think he's the better lynch.

Kuz, you haven't posted in ages.

 

[X1-12]

gonna point out Kuz has been viewing for aaaggges


@Nabe: are you completely against anyone but me/Swiss being lynched?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Yes. I'd be fine with Kuz going, as he's vigbait anyway imo, but Switz v. you isn't going to bring us any new discussion in D2 unless we have a tracker or otherwise for Swiss, since you can't target on N1. Better that it happens toDay instead of dragging out more PRs to clarify the issue toMorrow.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Does anyone else want to get rid of x1 now as much as I do?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Post more, that's what I want.

I find clues. I turn around and I'm like "hey Watson, notice the mud on this guy's boots". Meanwhile, you're off pawing at the rump of some doe-eyed tart instead of being here evaluating my performance. It's not terribly helpful, and bad for a sleuth's self-esteem.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Okay, Sir, I believe Kuz is scummy for the same reasons BSL does pretty much. He immediatly came to the conclusion that X1 was lying, and while that's certainly up to debate, it shows that he might know too much. Also, his pushing for the lynches of people because they were on his wagon is weak. His recent lurking is also not helping (although that's only omething minor realy).

That's my summary of it anyways.

@Gheb: You would wether lynch dead weight than one of Swiss or X1? Why? Those two are going to be bothering us this entire game, one of them has to die if you ask me.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

7. Swiss- (4): X1-12, Nabe, KevinM, Sir Bedevere

10. th3kuzinator- (3): Sworddancer, BSL, Swiss

1. X1-12- (1): Dark Horse

2. DarkHorse- (0)

3. GhEEb- (0)

4. KevinM- (0)

5. Acrostic- (0)

6. Gova- (0)

8. SwordDancer - (0)

9. Nabe- (0)

11. giraffeslasergun- (0)

12. BSL- (0)

13. Sir Bedevere- (0)

Strikes:

X1-12: 1

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@Mod: I switched my vote to X1 awhile ago. I don't feel llike looking back to see where exactly, so unvote vote X1.

 

[KevinM]

@Swiss please don't try and say I'm stalling when I'm merely trying to figure out exactly how to go with all the new information we got today.

God we need a day vig in every game I swear.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

See, this is what I was trying to avoid.

Say X1 is scum in a gambit. Come Day three you'll have multiple dead townies and one scum gone. You'll have no ties to other players and you'll not know who to lynch from there. Why? Because nothing else has happened. I can't decide what X1's alignment is at the moment - his play makes no logical sense for any alignment (see later). But I WILL see him lynched to clear my name. The only thing I can think of is that X1 knows I can read him like a goddamn book, he also knows I'm a strong town player. He's trading his own [probable] lynch in exchange for killing me (who would have lynched him anyway) and two quick days which give town little information. If I were scum and could exchange the life of a scum buddy who was already f*cked for the life of Swiss AND two night kills on strong townies I would take that deal in a HEARTBEAT. For those that don't believe I can read X1, in a recent game I cleared him on the first page. I was right (and town).

What, other than an X1 lynch - do we actually GET from my flip? You need to draw links from me to other players, but we cannot if this day is rushed and everybody just focuses on me and X1. Can you not imagine how pathetic this situation is if X1 is fake claiming? Scum will be laughing. Two free days? Thankyou very much X1.

I am going to be very clear on this Bed. Every single person is going to take stances toDay, every single person is going to question and talk to other people. And then, if this persists, we WILL lynch X1.

Ah, I see what you're getting at. I think you were just explaining it a bit strangely. That does make sense.

This is an interesting conclusion that you have drawn up. I would like you to expend on the reason why it's more likely that what Swiss is doing right now is for his buddies wether then being for the town.

Well, before Swiss explained why he was asking that question, I could only see a scum motive for doing it. It's irrelevant now that he's explained it though.

Hatin' dat talk bout "lynch swiss n if he flips townzorz lynch x1". liek, u guys realize that it can go completely wrong n stuff? u can say its horrible town play for all i care but if both r town we're gettin' closer to losin' teh game by quite a lot, u kno? hatin' how ppl care moar bout findin' a scapegoat than do stuff thatll help us 2 win teh game. y r ppl not seein' this? y do unconstructive plans liek that get so much support? stop sheepin' n use yer brains folk.

huge fos @bed for his last posts. textbook examples of how 2 not do it. dont believe ur genuine @ all.

Do you actually think it's likely both Swiss and X1 are town, Gheb, with no miller stuff interfering? Like, X1 is good enough to know not to fakeclaim N0 cop and push a quicklynch on someone he has no idea is town or scum (Swiss hadn't even posted yet). I'm not saying that autolynching X1 after lynching townSwiss will guarantee us a scum flip, because you can never guarantee that; but I'd probably wager my access to this forum that X1 and Swiss aren't both town, lol.

Okay, Sir, I believe Kuz is scummy for the same reasons BSL does pretty much. He immediatly came to the conclusion that X1 was lying, and while that's certainly up to debate, it shows that he might know too much. Also, his pushing for the lynches of people because they were on his wagon is weak. His recent lurking is also not helping (although that's only omething minor realy).

The "knew X1 was lying" point could be legitimate and I'd need to read up on that to make sure, but I don't see pushing people on his own wagon as necessarily scummy. As for lurking, I think he might have forgotten about the game, as I think he mentioned in one of his last few posts. >_> Someone should remind him he's in this.

I'm not saying he's town, but these Swiss/kuz connections people are making don't make sense to me.

and then there's this role changing business

Unvote for now, but I think I still believe X1. Gord saying what he said makes his claim look awkward, yeah, but it doesn't completely confirm that X1 was lying (Sold could have "confirmed" the set-up after hearing what X1 had to say), nor does X1 lying confirm that he's scum.

X1, how did Gord react/what did he say when you asked him about using your role N0? How did you ask him to change your role?

^I think it's fine for you to answer this as long as you paraphrase.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

@Acrostic - If you could ask BSL one question, what would it be?[/Swiss]

Swiss to be honest, I haven't been forming reads on BSL. Vaguely speaking his posts strike me as being suspicious, however looking at his performance in other games reveals that it just may be his own play style. I apologize for the empty response. I know you voted for th3kuzinator, but for the same reasons as BSL I feel that this may simply be more of his personal play style when I saw some of his posts as th3smarginator. Unfortunately this is no excuse of his absence.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Gheb: You would wether lynch dead weight than one of Swiss or X1? Why? Those two are going to be bothering us this entire game, one of them has to die if you ask me.

but i dont ask u. not only can u not kno that theyll bother us teh whole game but u also admit that ud rather get rid of ppl u cant read than ppl u think r scum. if u get bothered by 'em that easily u r teh 1 whos gotta step up his game, ya dig?

@Swiss please don't try and say I'm stalling when I'm merely trying to figure out exactly how to go with all the new information we got today.

not accepted try harder vote kevin

Do you actually think it's likely both Swiss and X1 are town, Gheb, with no miller stuff interfering? Like, X1 is good enough to know not to fakeclaim N0 cop and push a quicklynch on someone he has no idea is town or scum (Swiss hadn't even posted yet). I'm not saying that autolynching X1 after lynching townSwiss will guarantee us a scum flip, because you can never guarantee that; but I'd probably wager my access to this forum that X1 and Swiss aren't both town, lol.

its entirely possible for both 2 b town. "likely" is always relative - on teh surface ud think they dont share alignment. but if u look closer @ things n think about other scenarios its perfectly possible for both 2 share alignment. thinkin' its scummy 2 tunnel teh idea that they cant possibly share alignment and push teh lynch based on dat.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Okay, Sir, I believe Kuz is scummy for the same reasons BSL does pretty much. He immediatly came to the conclusion that X1 was lying, and while that's certainly up to debate, it shows that he might know too much. Also, his pushing for the lynches of people because they were on his wagon is weak. His recent lurking is also not helping (although that's only omething minor realy).

I have already answered this conjecture multiple times. In all the games I have read, in the end, the n0 cop is always a fake. In fact, I have never read a game where there was actually a n0 cop (unless I skimmed it too hard and did not even recognize it). That is why I initially thought x1 was lying, even after he kept telling us he was being serious. Even he said that town has to lie sometimes and I just figured he was trying to ride it out as long as possible.

As for my wagon list, did you seriously expect everyone to follow me and lynch every one of you? No. We would obviously would have had to do more investigation before making rash decisions. That was merely a list of people I thought we should check into, not quicklynch.

Why are you getting so defensive over that point anyway, considering you are at L-7? Is it perhaps because you are on that list yourself?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Kuz, explain why there is this massive gap in between you latest posts, an how several times you were viewing this thread, but not posting.

 

[X1-12]

Make me a reason why why have you 180'd on my alignment twice Swiss?

 

[Swiss]

Make me a reason why why have you 180'd on my alignment twice Swiss?

Make you a reason? :|

Because you're either an idiot, or an idiot being an idiot, or an idiot trying not to be an idiot but doing what I've said is idiotic.

What else do you want me to dooooooo?

 

[X1-12]

You haven't really explained why, what was it that I did to change your opinion?

previous post was poorly worded

 

[Swiss]

It's not what you've done, rather me changing my mind on what it is you're doing.

I stand by that if it comes down to one us being lynched at the end of this day, you need to die. 'Cuz I cannae see ya bein' da garda, man.

Like why talk to me of all people? Seems bizarre BIZARRE

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I have already answered this conjecture multiple times. In all the games I have read, in the end, the n0 cop is always a fake. In fact, I have never read a game where there was actually a n0 cop (unless I skimmed it too hard and did not even recognize it). That is why I initially thought x1 was lying, even after he kept telling us he was being serious. Even he said that town has to lie sometimes and I just figured he was trying to ride it out as long as possible

This all comes down to rather or not we believe you're lying. Thing is, your response was so sudden (IIRC) and I find it odd that someone who isn't that experianced like you (not trying to insult you) could just immediatly come to the conclusion that N0 must be a lie. In anycase, my final judgments of you are reserved until I see some flips.

Why are you getting so defensive over that point anyway, considering you are at L-7? Is it perhaps because you are on that list yourself?

I (or anyone else, really) was asked to describe why I thought you were scummy. Don't skim.

Besides, I don't really see how I'm defending anything when I'm attacking you with it.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I need to reread really badly. A couple ot people who I haven't really formed any reads on yet.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@Mod: I switched my vote to X1 awhile ago. I don't feel llike looking back to see where exactly, so unvote vote X1.

I didn't notice it, but I C WAT U DID THARR .

7. Swiss- (3): X1-12, Nabe, KevinM

10. th3kuzinator- (2): BSL, Swiss

1. X1-12- (2): Dark Horse, Sworddancer

4. KevinM- (1): GhEEb

2. DarkHorse- (0)

3. GhEEb- (0)

5. Acrostic- (0)

6. Gova- (0)

8. SwordDancer - (0)

9. Nabe- (0)

11. giraffeslasergun- (0)

12. BSL- (0)

13. Sir Bedevere- (0)

Strikes:

X1-12: 1

 

[giraffelasergun]

Make me a reason why why have you 180'd on my alignment twice Swiss?

If swiss is scum why does this matter?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

What happened to the activity in this game? It just kind of, dropped.

Deadline is soonish. I suggest that we all start to come to a conclusion of who the play will be toDay, we seem fractured, as there is no "main" lynch target toDay. This is risky, as it leaves the possibility of a no lynch happening.

Right now I'm leaning towards lynching X1, but in I'm really torn right now. >.< I'll make my final vote toMarrow.

So much deadweight in this game that it feels like Gboy's avatar is sitting on me. =/