Your dream patch! (Come predict the future)

[Aktsumi]

Replace Peach with Shantae and Mario with K. Rool. We already have a better Peach (Rosalina), and Mario is useless anyway.

Stfu all peach is just fine, peach requires high skill and precise techniques

 

[Warlock*G]

Stfu all peach is just fine, peach requires high skill and precise techniques

Aaaaand the troll is still dancing, and you remain clueless.

Now, while I'm at it, let's replace Link with Sandbag. They both speak the same quantity of words in a day, so no one will notice the change. Not ^^^this guy^^^ anyway.

 

[TimeChain]

• Weaken defensive options (like rolls and airdodges).
• More options in Stage Builder. Like, a LOT MORE.
• MAKE IT EASIER TO CREATE STRAIGHT LINES AND ERASE THINGS IN STAGE BUILDER.
• Change up the Menu. Like put Smash Tour in Games and More and the Vault in the main menu.
• Strengthen some custom moves while also nerfing others. (I'm looking at you, Kong Cyclone...)
• Allow us to change default rules. Seriously.
• Buff some lower tier characters. (like Dr. Mario and Samus)
• Change the default Mii Fighter Special moves.
• Nerf Luma. Now.
• Nerf Sheik. Give some more ending lag on some of her moves.
• Include more interesting maps in Smash Tour.
• Allow us the option to set how battles play in Smash Tour.
• Make it easier to get custom moves and certain equipment. (Add in a shop for that stuff)
• Add in Mewtwo Custom Moves as well as a Palutena Guidance conversation for Mewtwo.
• And for the love of almighty, GIVE US A HAZARD TOGGLE OPTION.
• And maybe a transformation toggle too.

 

[TimeChain]

• Weaken defensive options (like rolls and airdodges).
• More options in Stage Builder. Like, a LOT MORE.
• MAKE IT EASIER TO CREATE STRAIGHT LINES AND ERASE THINGS IN STAGE BUILDER.
• Change up the Menu. Like put Smash Tour in Games and More and the Vault in the main menu.
• Strengthen some custom moves while also nerfing others. (I'm looking at you, Kong Cyclone...)
• Allow us to change default rules. Seriously.
• Buff some lower tier characters. (like Dr. Mario and Samus)
• Change the default Mii Fighter Special moves.
• Nerf Luma. Now.
• Nerf Sheik. Give some more ending lag on some of her moves.
• Include more interesting maps in Smash Tour.
• Allow us the option to set how battles play in Smash Tour.
• Make it easier to get custom moves and certain equipment. (Add in a shop for that stuff)
• Add in Mewtwo Custom Moves as well as a Palutena Guidance conversation for Mewtwo.
• And for the love of almighty, GIVE US A HAZARD TOGGLE OPTION.
• And maybe a transformation toggle too.

 

[MarioMeteor]

Nerfbeyond compare and make it so he automatically loses, should he face.

Remove Melee.

Seconded.

 

[L9999]

Buff/fix so they are not mediocre/garbage.
Permit Miis and custom moves on anyone in online. Balance issues my shoelaces.
Add Battlefield, Yoshi's Island, Lumiose City and Arena Ferox on FG in Smash 3DS. In Wii U add Smashville, Battlefield, Town and City and Lylat.
Give custom moves.
Nerf the side B that goes across the entire stage.
Improve their customs because they suck.
A general arrangement of the menus and online modes. It's a gigantic list that would take a thread of billion pages.

 

[RetroBro]

I was also thinking they need to bring all the 3DS stages like Gerudo Valley, and Pacman's stage to the Wii U. Those stages deserve so much more attention

 

[L9999]

I was also thinking they need to bring all the 3DS stages like Gerudo Valley, and Pacman's stage to the Wii U. Those stages deserve so much more attention

Thaat reminds me, put some stages from Wii U to 3DS, like Duck Hunt, Wii Fit, Kongo Jungle 64, Smashville and Town and City.

 

[Deleted member 269706]

If nothing else at all, let Falcon keep his running momentum when he jumps so he can fly across the stage like he did in Melee.

 

[MarioMeteor]

If nothing else at all, let Falcon keep his running momentum when he jumps so he can fly across the stage like he did in Melee.

Make Falcon even more ridic? Why not just make it universal?

 

[Deleted member 269706]

Make Falcon even more ridic? Why not just make it universal?

Because my dream patch would make Falcon the best character to choose.

 

[L9999]

Because my dream patch would make Falcon the best character to choose.

Then just bring back Z Cancelling, make Up B stronger, give back Falcon his smashes from 64, Falcon Kick that refreshes jumps and Melee Knee.

 

[Deleted member 269706]

Then just bring back Z Cancelling, make Up B stronger, give back Falcon his smashes from 64, Falcon Kick that refreshes jumps and Melee Knee.

Isn't his up B stronger in this iteration of games? In either event, I would love to see all of that come back, but then we wouldn't be too far off from Melee. I am totally okay with this game being different than Melee.

 

[Putuk]

Add the b-reversed wavedash into the l-cancelled ****slammer.

 

[ShuckleBoard]

GIVE MARTH MELEE SWORD NOISES and replace Dark Pit with Bandanna Dee along with customs balancing and remove Sonic from the game.

 

[Warlock*G]

GIVE MARTH MELEE SWORD NOISES and replace Dark Pit with Bandanna Dee along with customs balancing and remove Sonic from the game.

YEZ!

 

[Got4n]

Daddy Sakurai said there wasn't going to be patches anymoar for 1.0.4 and he did a 1.0.6 lol

 

[Toon612Link]

Ban players who do not have a alright connection.
Add a button for spot dodging in the Buttons menu.
Nerf (I can't beat him.)

 

[Deleted member 269706]

Ban players who do not have a alright connection.
Add a button for spot dodging in the Buttons menu.
Nerf (I can't beat him.)

Connection strength is dependent on a lot of things, from your service provider, to where you're located, you're opponents relative location to you, as well as their provider...plus if you're provider was having problems for a day or something, getting banned because of that would be stupid. A regional match-making service would be much more favorable.

 

[Kirbyfan391]

Make custom moves mandatory for multiplayer.

 

[Toon612Link]

Connection strength is dependent on a lot of things, from your service provider, to where you're located, you're opponents relative location to you, as well as their provider...plus if you're provider was having problems for a day or something, getting banned because of that would be stupid. A regional match-making service would be much more favorable.

Why would you want to play online if your connection is laggy? Some kids wouldn't stop if they saw their ping, so temporarily banning them would be the next best thing.

 

[Deleted member 269706]

Why would you want to play online if your connection is laggy? Some kids wouldn't stop if they saw their ping, so temporarily banning them would be the next best thing.

Ugh, no one wants to play a laggy battle. But just because you have one laggy fight with someone doesn't mean that their connection is bad. It just means that the connection between the two of you is bad. This tends to happen when Smash is sending your signals across the globe. Have you ever noticed how a lot of Japanese players will join your room in FG and then drop out immediately? It's because when connection with people overseas, connections tend to be more unstable. The majority of lag is a product of an unstable connection between players due to their location relative to one another. You may have a laggy match against someone, but that same someone probably has flawless matches with people located closer to them.

 

[Aenglaan]

General gameplay:
-nerf shields
-nerf rolls
-increase knockback or make stage boundaries smaller.
-give Mewtwo custom moves (and same for other DLC fighters)
-a few more items
-more costume choices for characters like Wario, Robin, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, etc (just enough to have 8 player battles entirely of one gender)

Stages:
-make more normal stages and omega stags available for 8 player smash
-allow the ability to play custom stages in 8 player smash
-add delta stages as an additional add-on with regular and omega stages, that just disables stage hazards and the like.

Menu:
-divide "Games and More" into two different sections: "Solo" and "Vault/Collection"
-move the "Stage Builder" under "Vault/Collection"
-Reorganize the character select screen by placing every series together (no clone or DLC sections by themselves, put those characters with their respective series).

Other modes:
-Maybe a few more event matches for characters like Mewtwo and Lucas
-Give Smash Tour more options, boards, abilities, etc
-add tourney mode and maybe something like break the targets.

Misc:
-be able to have "default rules" which are remembered every time you turn on the game.
-try to make the frame rate better when viewing certain trophies or during 8 player result screen

 

[JamietheAuraUser]

Most important, before buffs/nerfs/anything else: The opening. It needs the "Super Smash Brothers for Wii U!" cry at the end. You have it from the 50-Fact Extravaganza, so why not just recycle the voice clip? A Smash Bros. game just isn't complete without the title scream. I wanna boot up the game, watch that minute-and-a-half long opening, and hear the announcer shout out the game's title for everyone in the room to hear! That's how you introduce a player to Smash Bros.

 

[RetroBro]

Ugh, no one wants to play a laggy battle. But just because you have one laggy fight with someone doesn't mean that their connection is bad. It just means that the connection between the two of you is bad. This tends to happen when Smash is sending your signals across the globe. Have you ever noticed how a lot of Japanese players will join your room in FG and then drop out immediately? It's because when connection with people overseas, connections tend to be more unstable. The majority of lag is a product of an unstable connection between players due to their location relative to one another. You may have a laggy match against someone, but that same someone probably has flawless matches with people located closer to them.

Yeah, most people have a connection speed that allows smash bros to be played online. But there's so many other factors that have to do with a stable connection.

 

[wedl!!]

• increase universal shieldstun
• decrease shield regen
• DACUS removal is reverted
• add more stages to FG
• rage scales differently; for example, characters like and feel rage much less significantly than

buffs in GREEN, nerfs in RED

• Whirling Fortress damage per hit increased
• Flame Breath and Nair ending lag decreased
• Jab and Ftilt a frame earlier

• Fair, Dair and Bair landing lag decreased
• Better range on Ftilt and Fsmash
• Clown Cannon lag decreased

• Knee has an autocancel window
• Rapid Jab and Finisher hitboxes made smaller
• Bair landing lag increased

• Usmash damage increase
• Air speed improved
• Jab finisher damage increased by 1%
• Fair and Nair ending/landing lag decreased
• Nair damage increased by 1%

• Gordo durability increased
• Dtilt less laggy

• Weight slightly decreasd
• Monkey Flip slowed down

• Kong Cyclone has a tighter autocancel window

• Running speed increased
• Pill damage increased by 1%
• Dthrow trajectory changed to allow more followups

• Dash Attack is now frame 5
• Dair startup reduced significantly
• Fair and Dair landing lag reduced
• Ground speed increased
• Lazer lag reduced
• Ftilt hitstun increased
• Fair changes in 1.05 reverted
• Dair damage decreased by 2%

• Dair has its autocancel from Brawl
• Minor speed boost
• Nair landing lag reduced

• Fair damage increased by 1%
• Fair and Bair landing lag decreased
• Uair hits now link properly
• Bair KB increase
• Weight increase

• Shuriken changes reverted

• Dthrow damage increase
• Make Dsmash not entirely outclassed by Usmash

• Rest KB increased
• Improved aerial speed
• Fair damage increased by 1%

• Jolt Haymaker changes reverted
• Guard Breaker momentum fixed
• Straight Lunge and all variants ending lag decreased

• Jab IASA changes from 1.05 reverted
• Spin Attack further buffed
• Bow charge time decreased

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• Dancing Blade damage increased
• Fair, Nair, and Bair landing lag decreased
• Dthrow knockback decreased (allows for more combos)
• Dtilt IASA frames improved
• Aerial speed increased
• Dair now humanly possible to spike with

• Fair, Bair, and Nair damage decreased by 1%
• Luigi Cyclone KB reduced

• Dtiilt damage increased by 0.5%
• FIX HIS HITBOXES OMFG

• Weight increased
• Dthrow hitstun increased
• Dtilt starting lag reduced
• Air speed increased

• Bthrow KBG reduced

• Jab lag reduced
• Fair damage increased by 1%
• Infinite Lightweight bug fixed

• Nair gets its leg hitboxes back from Brawl
• Nair is now frame 3
• Turnips bounce on shields

• Uthrow nerf reverted

• Run speed increased
• Dash attack, Fair, grab, Dsmash and Uair ending lag decreased
• Grab range increased

• Luma Uair and Fsmash KB decreased
• Rosalina Uair damage decreased by 2%
• Luma now spawns every 15 seconds

• Missile, Jab, Utilt and Dtilt lag decreased
• Missile and Uair KB increased
• Missile damage increase by 0.5%
• Nair reverted to pre-Smash 4; it is now a sex kick

• Bair nerf reverted
• Needles no longer cause hitstun until they are fully charged
• Ftilt KBG changes (no longer chain into eachother forever)

• Nair and Fair landing lag decreased

• Bair KB reduced
• Using aerials after Spring Jump no longer shortens their landing lag
• Spin Dash dmg nerfed; the rolling hitbox does 6% damage (down from 7%) and the jumping hitbox does 1.5%

• Timber Counter sapling active time reduced by 2 seconds
• Explosive Balloon Trip balloons damage decreased by 1.5%

• Ftilt damage increased by 1%

• Fair damage decreased by 0.5% for all hits
• Nair lag increased

• All aerials landing lag decreased
• Uair startup decreased
• Dsmash damage increased
• Air speed increased
• Run speed increased
• More invincibility on Nayru's Love
• Din's Fire no longer makes Zelda immediately helpless; instead, she will become helpless after using it a certain amount of times offstage (3 maybe?); it refreshes when touching the stage after all charges have been consumed

• Bair damage decreased by 1%

 

[Putuk]

I'll admit my first two posts in this thread were just jokes and maybe a lil' mean-spirited.

Honestly, my dream patch is the next one coming: it'll add my Brawl main again.

But if there'd be one thing I could change, it'd be so characters that had their movesets revamped since Brawl can get their old moves as custom moves ('s Waddle Dee toss,'s old specials and that sort of stuff). I feel in that regard, custom moves have some wasted potential.

 

[Pariahus]

• Slow down shield regeneration.
• Either increase shield stun or make shields slower to use/drop.
• Remove a little invincibility on rolls. I want them to still be useful, though.
• Either slightly increase endlag on air dodges, or only allow 1 until you land or get hit.
• Disallow air dodges while tumbling.
• Decrease endlag on dashes.
• Increase the dash dance window.
• Only allow edge trumps if the hogger's invincibility is gone.
• Buff the lower tier characters more to compete with the higher tiers instead of making everyone weaker.
• Actually try to balance custom moves instead of arbitrarily nerfing some.
• Change the menu so that it's not as confusing.
  • Games & More should be split into Games, Vault, and Options. They should all be on the front page.
  • Solo should be on the front page, labelled "Games". It should have all of Solo's options, except other players can join in like Group.
  • amiibo should be moved to Smash.
  • Stage Builder and Custom should be moved to Vault.
  • Smash Run/Tour should be moved to Games.
• Allow us to toggle stage hazards.
• Allow us to change the default rules.
• Allow us to edit and create custom characters from the Character Select in the Wii U version.
• Allow inputs from the Left stick while using the Right stick when set to Smash.
• Allow us to create Names and control setups in the 3DS version.
• Allow us to use ZL/ZR in the 3DS version.
• Allow us to change what the Right stick does in the 3DS version.
• Allow more stages in For Glory.
• Allow us to play For Glory in our region only to minimize lag.
• Let the host of an online game change the rules, not the loser.
• Allow us to use Miis and custom moves With Anyone, but with no equipment.
• Allow us to invite friends to an open With Friends lobby.
• Allow us to play With Anyone team battles, partnered with a friend.
• Allow us to enable voice chat in With Friends matches.
• Allow us to make the CPUs in Training different characters.
• Allow us to set Teams in Training.
• Make a Custom Shop alongside the Trophy Shop, which has a selection of custom moves and Mii gear for purchase.
• Allow more than 4 trophies in Photo Studio.
• Have more than 4 backgrounds in Photo Studio.
• Have some more textures for Stage Builder.
• Have more backgrounds in Stage Builder.
• Have more options in Stage Builder, such as disappearing platforms, falling platforms, and ice.
• Allow us to copy and paste selected areas in Stage Builder.
• Allow us to change the blastzones in Stage Builder.
• Allow us to set the spawn points in Stage Builder.
• Allow us to make drop-through platforms of different shapes in Stage Builder.
• Allow us to adjust the speed and shape of moving platforms in Stage Builder.
• Remove Smash Tour lol

^This. Everything here is what i want but a few more points of what i thought of myself...

• Reduce the amount of time 's vision lasts, seriously he's one of my mains(or secondaries or what have you) and i think his counter is too long, also give him a more noticeable sourspot and sweetspot on his attacks at the tip and base of the monado respectively.
• Put 3ds stages on the wii u!(GIVE US BACK CORNERIA SAKURAI!!!)
• Undo the back air nerf, completely unnecessary and i play against and lose against a main all the time, or at least i did before the nerf.
• Fix the stupid problem in stage builder where ledges will become ungrabable for an unexplained reason.
• GIVE US PATCH NOTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
• Allow multiple music selections for one custom stage.
• Seeing as this is a dream patch remove super armor and give lil mac decent airgame to compensate.
• Prevent Sonics from up-bing out of side-b
• Buff Greninja, Seriously.

 

[Nintendrone]

@ Pariahus
's Vision has a really long counter window because the window shortens every time you counter, and it only resets when you die. He doesn't need tippers; what he really needs are some quick/safe moves.

If we're talking 3DS stages to port over, I'll take Rainbow Road, Brawl!Yoshi's Island, Prism Tower, Arena Ferox, and Tomodachi Life.

I agree that the Bair nerf was completely uncalled for.

Stage Builder will remove edges if there is a platform below it that's close enough. It's still stupid, though.

Please don't remove 's SJ out of SD. He needs options of out his spins in order to stay good. Surprised you're not complaining about Spinshot or just double-jump/aerial out of SD, lol.

needs some buffs now. He used to be fully viable…

Daddy Sakurai patch notes plz

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Some Character Changes I'd Like:
INCOMING WALL

• 
  • Make his run/air speed slightly faster.
  • Slightly increase the range of his tilts and aerials (utilt/bair are fine).
  • Slightly increase KBG on some of his moves so he has some more KO options.
  • Speed up, strengthen, and/or remove the sourspot of Fair.
  • Increase the boost of aerial Cape.
  • Speed up Fire Orb and Electric Cape.
  • Fix FLUDD and other windboxes so it doesn't push up in the air.
  • Make him slightly heavier.
• 
  • Slightly increase his air/falling speeds.
  • Give Dthrow more KBG.
  • Strengthen Fire Jump Punch, especially the aerial version.
  • Make Cyclone require less mashing to gain height.
• 
  • Strengthen Utilt so it can be high% KO option.
  • Increase the auto-cancel windows on her aerials.
  • Speed up and strengthen Toad so he's not useless.
  • Strengthen Peach Bomber so it can KO again.
  • Make Turnips bounce off shields.
• 
  • Speed up his tilts and jab.
  • Make his Fireballs faster and stronger.
  • Make Bowsercides with Flying Slam consistently give him the win.
  • Make Flying Fortress a KO option.
  • Speed up and strengthen Turbulent and Slip Bomb.
  • Make Slip Bomb bury and meteor on direct impact.
• 
  • Make Luma respawn slower.
  • Make all 3 Luma Shots have similar amounts of endlag.
  • Strengthen or increase the range of Star Bits.
  • Make Launch Star Plus faster.
  • Make Launch Star Attack hit at any part of the move.
  • Make Catch and Release powerful.
  • Make Guardian Luma reflect projectiles.
• 
  • Decrease the endlag on pretty much everything.
  • Give Utilt and Usmash more range.
  • Make all Clown Cannons faster. Also let him have more than 1 cannonball.
  • Strengthen default and Impatient Mechakoopa. Increase the timer on all versions.
• 
  • Pretty much the same changes as Mario.
• 
  • Slightly speed up and reduce the endlag of his ground attacks.
  • Slightly increase his run speed.
  • Increase his shield size.
  • Slightly improve his double jump.
  • Strengthen Giant Punch, and don't make him helpless in the air.
  • Make Storm Punch take slightly longer to charge.
  • Slightly increase the range of all Headbutts.
  • Make Spinning Kong go slightly higher.
  • Make Chopper Kong a KO option.
  • Make Kong Cyclone's windbox consistent and only put armor at the beginning.
• 
  • Slightly increase his air speed.
  • Give Ftilt slightly less endlag.
  • Slightly strengthen Dsmash.
  • Slightly strengthen and increase the range of Nair.
  • Make Peanuts not able to be grabbed.
  • Make the Popgun explosion bigger.
  • Slightly slow down Monkey Flip.
  • Make Rocketbarrel Attack strong at the start, but weaker at the end.
  • Give Bananas more HP and let them bounce off shields.
  • Make him slightly lighter.
• 
  • Slightly decrease endlag on Jab and Dtilt.
  • Slightly speed up Ftilt, Dash Attack, Fsmash, Nair, Fair, Bair, Uair, and Dair.
  • Slightly speed up arrow charge time.
  • Strengthen boomerang and bombs.
  • Make Spin Attack stronger and go higher.
  • Make him slightly heavier.
• 
  • In general, remove or strengthen the sourspots, speed up, decrease endlag, on all of her moves.
  • Slightly increase run/air speed.
• 
  • Slightly increase KBG on Ftilt, Fair, Fthrow, and Dthrow.
  • Slightly increase range of Utilt and Dtilt.
  • Slightly strengthen Fsmash and Dsmash.
  • Revert the Bair nerf.
  • Increase the Dair auto-cancel window.
  • Don't make her helpless after using Burst Grenade.
• 
  • Slightly increase run/air speed.
  • Improve his double jump.
  • Slightly speed up and reduce endlag on Jab, Ftilt, and Dtilt.
  • Slightly speed up Utilt, Fsmash, Bair, and Flame Wave.
  • Strengthen Dsmash and connect the hits better.
  • Slightly strengthen Nair.
  • Remove Fair's sourspot and increase its auto-cancel window.
  • Give Warlock Punch armor throughout the entire move, and in the air.
  • Speed up and remove the sourspots of Warlock Thrust.
  • Decrease endlag on aerial Flame Choke.
  • Slightly strengthen Flame Chain.
  • Strengthen and increase range of Dark Dive.
  • Speed up Dark Vault and Wizard's Assault.
  • Give Wizard's Foot an immediate hitbox.
  • EDIT: Increase grab range.
• 
  • Slightly decrease endlag on Jab and all tilts.
  • Increase KBG on Dash Attack and Uair.
  • Slightly increase range on Nair and Bair.
  • Make Spin Attack go slightly higher.
  • Increase air speed.
• 
  • Slightly decrease endlag on Jab, Utilt, and Dtilt.
  • Slightly increase range of Ftilt and Nair.
  • Increase KBG of Dash Attack, Fsmash, Dsmash, Bair, and Dair.
  • Slightly strengthen and connect hits better on Usmash and Fair.
  • Slightly speed up and increase meteor window of Dair.
  • Slightly strengthen all specials.
  • EDIT: Slightly speed up and decrease endlag on grab.
• 
  • Slightly increase range of Ftilt.
• 
  • Slightly increase range of Ftilt and Utilt.
  • Slightly increase KBG of Dsmash, Bair, and Uair.
  • Strengthen or remove Fair's sourspot.
  • Slightly speed up grab.
• 
  • Slightly increase run/air speed.
  • Slightly decrease endlag on jab, Ftilt, Dtilt, and Dash Attack.
  • Slightly increase range on Utilt, Usmash, and Dsmash.
  • Speed up and increase range of Nair.
  • Slightly speed up Fair, Uair, Dair, and Stone.
  • Slightly increase KBG of Bair.
  • Slightly increase range and speed up charge of Hammer Flip.
  • Allow Final Cutter to grab the edge from behind.
• 
  • Increase air speed.
  • Speed up Jab and Dash Attack.
  • Increase KBG on Utilt and Dtilt.
  • Remove the sourspots from Fsmash and Usmash.
  • Slightly increase range of Nair.
  • Slightly speed up and strengthen Bair.
  • Prevent Gordos from being reflected by projectiles.
  • Allow slight control over Dedede during up-B.
  • Slightly speed up charge of Jet Hammer.
• 
  • Increase his sword length.
  • Decrease endlag on jab.
  • Decrease endlag and increase KBG on Ftilt and Utilt.
  • Speed up Fsmash and Uair.
  • Slightly increase KBG on Usmash, Dsmash, Nair, Bair, Mach Tornado, Shuttle Loop, Dimensional Cape, Bthrow, and Uthrow.
  • Slightly speed up Drill Rush.
  • Slightly increase air speed.
• 
  • Slightly decrease endlag on jab, dash attack, Fsmash.
  • Increase KBG on Nair.
  • Slightly strengthen Fair, Dair, and Dsmash.
  • EDIT: Decrease endlag on Reflector.
• 
  • Increase KBG of Utilt, Dtilt, Dash Attack, Bair, and Fthrow.
  • Speed up Fsmash and Fair.
  • Slightly speed up Uair.
  • Slightly speed up and increase meteor window of Dair.
  • Decrease endlag on Blaster and Reflector.
  • Slightly strengthen side-B's and up-B's.
  • Decrease KBG on Dthrow.
  • Slightly increase air/run speed.
  • Make him slightly heavier.
• 
  • Slightly increase run speed.
  • Slightly increase range on jab, all tilts, Nair, and Fair.
  • Slightly strengthen sourspot and decrease endlag of Fsmash.
  • Slightly increase range and decrease endlag of Dsmash.
  • Slightly decrease endlag of Dash Attack.
  • Increase KBG and slightly increase range of Bair.
  • Slightly strengthen and speed up Dair.
  • Slightly speed up charge of Skull Bash.
  • Increase KBG of Thunder's sourspot, Bthrow, and Uthrow.
  • Slightly decrease KBG of Fthrow and Dthrow.
• 
  • Slightly increase air speed.
  • Slightly increase range of jab, all tilts, Dsmash, Nair, and Dair.
  • Strengthen and slightly increase range of Fsmash, Usmash, and Dash Attack.
  • Slightly decrease KBG of Fair.
  • Slightly speed up and increase range of Bair.
  • Increase KBG but decrease KB of Uair.
  • Allow Jigglypuff to cancel a Rollout on hit.
  • Increase shield damage of Pound and Rest.
  • Allow Sing to hit through shields, and sleep lasts longer.
  • Increase KBG on Bthrow and Uthrow.
  • Make her slightly heavier.
• 
  • Increase air speed.
  • Slightly decrease endlag of Ftilt, Utilt, and Dthrow.
  • Slightly speed up and strengthen Fsmash, Dsmash, and Bair.
  • Slightly increase range of Nair and Fair.
  • Decrease KBG of Uair.
  • Increase meteor window of Dair.
  • Slightly reduce recoil of Shadow Ball.
  • Decrease endlag of Confusion.
  • Allow Confusion to hit through shields.
  • Increase KBG of Bthrow and Uthrow.
  • Make him heavier.
  • Give him custom moves.
• 
  • Slightly increase range of jab and Utilt.
  • Slightly strengthen and increase sweetspot size of Ftilt.
  • Slightly speed up and increase range of Dtilt.
  • Slightly strengthen all smashes, Fair, and Bair.
  • Increase KBG but decrease KB of Dash Attack.
  • Slightly speed up Nair.
  • Slightly increase KBG of Uair and Fthrow.
  • Slightly speed up and increase meteor window of Dair.
  • Increase KBG of Uthrow and Fly.
  • Increase air speed.
  • Make him have 3 midair jumps.
• 
  • Change the aura system so he's buffed at low%, and slightly nerfed at high%.
  • Slightly increase range of Dtilt, Fsmash, Usmash, Nair, and Bair.
  • Slightly strengthen Dsmash.
  • Slightly weaken Dash Attack.
  • Increase KBG on Uair.
  • Slightly increase range and allow meteors on Dair.
  • Slightly increase grab range of Force Palm, and make it inescapable.
  • Allow up-B to damage during any point.
  • Slightly speed up Double Team's counter.
• 
  • Undo at least most of his previous nerfs.
• 
  • Slightly increase air speed.
  • Slightly decrease range on jab.
  • Slightly speed up and increase range on Ftilt, Dtilt, and Usmash.
  • Slightly strengthen Dsmash.
  • Increase the auto-cancel window on Fair.
  • Slightly increase range of Bair.
  • Increase shield damage of Falcon Punch.
  • Make Falcon Dive go slightly higher.
  • Slightly decrease endlag on Falcon Kick.
• 
  • Slightly decrease endlag of Ftilt.
  • Slightly speed up Fsmash.
  • Slightly strengthen and speed up Usmash and Dsmash.
  • Slightly increase KBG on Dash Attack.
  • Slightly strengthen and increase range on Nair.
  • Slightly increase KBG but decrease KB on Uair.
  • Speed up and increase the meteor window of Dair.
  • Increase KBG of Uthrow.
  • Slightly speed up PK Flash, and don't make him helpless.
  • Allow PK Thunder to turn in a tighter circle.
  • Slightly increase run speed.
• 
  • Take what worked with Ness and modify it.
  • He'd better have custom moves.
• 
  • Slightly increase run speed.
  • Revert sword length to Brawl's.
  • Slightly decrease endlag on Jab, Utilt, and Uair.
  • Slightly strengthen and decrease endlag on Ftilt and Bthrow.
  • Speed up and decrease endlag on Dash Attack.
  • Slightly strengthen Fsmash sourspot, Usmash sourspot, Dsmash, Bair, and Dolphin Slash.
  • Slightly speed up and weaken the sourspot of Fair.
  • Make Dair meteor along the entire sweetspot.
  • Speed up and decrease endlag of all Dancing Blades.
  • Increase KBG on Uthrow so it can KO.
  • Slightly weaken Dthrow.
• 
  • Same as Marth.
• 
  • Slightly speed up and decrease endlag on Ftilt, Utilt, Dash Attack, Nair, and Uair.
  • Slightly strengthen Dsmash.
  • Slightly strengthen, increase range, and speed up charge of all Eruptions.
  • Slightly speed up and strengthen all side-B's.
  • Allow more horizontal movement with Aether.
  • Slightly increase run speed.
  • Make him slightly heavier.
• 
  • Slightly increase range and decrease endlag on all tilts and Dash attack.
  • Slightly decrease endlag on Dsmash, and all Thunders, Arcfires, and Nosferatu's.
  • Strengthen Arcfire +.
  • Slightly speed up all Elwinds, choose to cancel the second wind, and increase the meteor window.
  • Slightly strengthen all Nosferatu's from the front.
  • Slightly speed up weapon regeneration.
  • Increase run speed.
  • Slightly increase grab range.
  • Make him slightly heavier.
• 
  • Slightly increase run/air speeds.
  • Slightly decrease endlag of Ftilt and all down-B's.
  • Slightly increase range and KBG of Utilt.
  • Slightly increase KBG of Dtilt, Dsmash, and Bair.
  • Slightly increase range of Usmash.
  • Slightly strengthen Nair.
  • Decrease windbox and increase KBG of Uair.
  • Increase all auto-cancel windows.
  • Slightly speed up and decrease endlag of all Chefs.
  • Make him slightly heavier.
• 
  • Slightly increase KBG and sweetspot size of Ftilt, Bair, and Dair.
  • Slightly speed up and decrease endlag of Dtilt.
  • Slightly strengthen and increase KBG of Utilt.
  • Slightly increase KBG of all smashes.
  • Slightly increase KBG of Upperdash Arm and decrease aerial endlag.
  • Allow all Powers of Flight to go horizontally.
  • Slightly strengthen Impact Orbitars and let them destroy projectiles with good timing.
• 
  • Same as Pit.
  • Strengthen Silver Bow.
  • Make Ftilt match Pit's.
• 
  • Decrease endlag on Jab and Heavenly Light.
  • Slightly strengthen, speed up, and decrease endlag on all tilts.
  • Put the windbox a bit further away from the hitbox of Fsmash and Dsmash.
  • Slightly speed up Explosive Flame.
  • Slightly strengthen and decrease endlag on Angelic Missile.
  • Slightly speed up and strengthen Rocket Jump.
  • Increase invincibility and range of Celestial Firework.
  • Fix bug so she can't reset Lightweight on a soft platform.
• 
  • Slightly decrease endlag on jab.
  • Slightly speed up and increase range of Utilt.
  • Slightly increase range of Dtilt, Fair, and Chomp.
  • Slightly speed up Fsmash.
  • Slightly increase range and decrease endlag on Dsmash.
  • Slightly speed up and increase KBG of Bair.
  • Slightly increase KBG of Uair and Bthrow.
  • Make Burying Bike move slightly faster.
  • Make all hits of Corkscrew and Widescrew connect better, and increase KBG.
• 
  • Slightly decrease endlag on Dtilt.
  • Increase KBG of Utilt.
  • Give Pikmin slightly more HP.
  • I'm clueless on Olimar in this game, so I won't list more.
• 
  • Slightly decrease endlag on Jab, Ftilt, Utilt, Dash Attack, and Fsmash.
  • Slightly increase grab range.
  • Slightly increase KBG on Uthrow and Dthrow.
  • Slightly increase KBG and decrease endlag on Bair.
  • Speed up Dair and increase its meteor window.
  • Make Super Robo Beam travel slightly faster.
  • Slightly increase KBG on Arm Rotor.
• 
  • Slightly shorten duration of super armor.
  • Increase air speed.
  • Make him heavier.
  • Make one of his throws a KO option.
  • Strengthen and decrease endlag on all Straight Lunges.
  • Slightly increase all aerial side-B's distance.
  • Fix Guard Breaker's momentum so he actually moves out of knockback.
  • Make all aerial up-B's go slightly higher, especially Tornado Uppercut.
  • Allow Mac to punch early during up-B via button press.
• 
  • Speed up and decrease endlag on jab, Ftilt, Dtilt, and Dash Attack.
  • Increase range of Nair.
  • Make Fsmash not reflectable.
  • Speed up his pummel.
  • Put a limit on how high the Pocket multiplier goes.
  • Increase Garden's range.
  • Allow Liftout Lloid's angle to be controlled.
  • Give Balloon Trip a timer like Robo Burner, so he can't use it repeatedly.
  • Lower Explosive Balloon Trip's jump.
  • Allow all Timbers' saplings to be destroyed.
  • Make him slightly lighter.
• 
  • Slightly increase range on pretty much all attacks.
  • Strengthen Utilt and all smashes.
  • Decrease endlag on Jab, Dtilt, and smashes.
  • Increase grab range.
  • Slightly speed up Fair and Dair.
  • Don't make her helpless after canceling Header.
  • Make Super Hoop faster.
  • Make Hoop Hurricane stronger.
  • Make Deep/Steady Breathing last longer.
  • Speed up Volatile Breathing.
• 
  • Slightly speed up and decrease endlag on ground moves.
  • Slightly speed up air moves, except Nair.
  • Slightly increase his run/air speeds.
  • Slightly decrease recharge for all Monado Arts.
  • Strengthen all Back Slashes and let it grab the edge.
  • Slightly decrease counter window on Vision, but let it slowly regenerate back to normal after a counter.
• (Incoming bias)
  • Slightly strengthen and decrease endlag on jab and Utilt.
  • Slightly speed up Fsmash.
  • Slightly strengthen and increase range on Dsmash.
  • Slightly strengthen Fair.
  • Slightly increase KBG on Uair.
  • Increase Dair's auto-cancel and meteor windows.
  • Slightly increase KBG on Fthrow.
  • Slightly decrease endlag on Dthrow.
  • Make Homing/Surprise Attack aim directly at the target with less curves. Slightly decrease endlag.
  • Slightly speed up Stomp.
  • Give Burning Spin Dash its invincibility back, but have slightly less of it.
  • Slightly strengthen Double Spring and Springing Headbutt.
  • Make him slightly lighter.
• 
  • Decrease endlag on jab, tilts, and smashes.
  • Slightly increase his run/air speeds.
  • Make it so that all 3 Power Pellets are only cancelled if the big pellet is hit.
  • Make his trampoline stay for longer.
  • Strengthen Dire Hydrant.
  • Speed up his grab and pummel.
• 
  • Slightly increase run speed.
  • Slightly increase KBG on Usmash.
  • Make the fist of Dair always meteor.
  • Let him have more than 1 Metal Blade.
  • Speed up Power Bomb.
  • Slightly speed up and decrease endlag of Ice Slasher.
  • Let him detach from Beat early.
  • Slightly speed up both the summon and throw of all down-B's. Also have them last for longer.
  • Slightly increase grab range.
• 
  • Slightly decrease air speed.
  • Slightly increase range of all tilts.
  • Decrease endlag on Fsmash.
  • Increase range and decrease endlag on Dsmash.
  • Slightly speed up Dair.
• 
  • Speed up and decrease the endlag of nearly all moves.
  • Make Shuriken faster and always flinch.
• 
  • Speed up and decrease the endlag of nearly all moves.
  • Speed up the Laser animation.

 

[Pariahus]

@ Nintendrone Why not just Reduce the vision time and completely pull the deterioration on using vision more than once to compensate?

While we are talking about counters...My feelings on counters are that if you trigger someones counter, you deserve to get hit, no perfect shielding/airdodging/i triggered it from a direction it shouldnt hit me from. Every time i get two counters off consecutively because someone shielded my first one and attacked the second on reflex makes me cringe.

Unless i'm mistaken his every aerial and his neutral b can all be combod out of side-b, I watch videos of 6wx and thats pretty much all i see him doing, also I tried avoiding suggesting any buffs for him as that would suggest bias but....

Reduce start-up lag on his neutral-b and improve it's homing so i don't see sonic fly over the person i'm trying to hit and hit the ground behind him.

Change either his down-b or side-b So that they aren't nearly the same move, probably a tall order since sonic doesnt have much in the way of moves from his games...

Give him an original moveset! I've been waiting since melee to see his neutral b be that ball of light he shoots in oot, nevermind the fact that he has a sword in his taunts that he NEVER USES!

Also about ...You don't want to bring back comboing out of shine? While i'm kinda glad he got a bit of a nerf from melee/pm fox he and just don't seem good anymore, mind you I never even seriously played melee though so maybe my thoughts on , Don't mean anything...

 

[Deleted member]

I would love to see more teching in Smash 4. Like Melee, but not so hard to pull off.

Also, make more moves follow up, I would like to see some huge combos that don't take 200 years to master.

 

[Nintendrone]

@ Pariahus The reason I didn't suggest removing 's counter window degeneration is because I doubt they'd remove a unique aspect of his counter. I know this is a wishlist, but I'm trying to keep things within the scope of a patch.

I'm fine with counters as they are. They're more powerful and reliable than before, but they're still situational so that it fulfills its purpose as a surprise.

I don't believe that can combo Dair out of either spin; not like it really matters though.
HA doesn't need less startup because you can launch it early. Plus I already suggested less endlag and better homing so that it can be a little more safe.
I really only want SC to change so it's not outclassed by SD, but I'm not sure how'd they do it with a patch. Although I'm oddly glad that they're similar, so I can run HSD or BSD without removing a vital tool.

I'd love for to get decloned, but it's never gonna happen via patch. Just hope for the next game, I guess. Also, he can use his sword in Warlock Blade, but it's just Warlock Punch with tipper. I don't want a full sword moveset for him, as I'd rather him keep his cool moves (Ftilt, Utilt, Fair, Dair, Choke) while having some magic and sword moves for flavor.

I simply forgot about giving his shine combos back, and he's not bad in this game, just outclassed.
I wasn't totally sure on whether my buffs for were sufficient. His keys to success in Brawl were his lasers and chaingrabs. I feel that less endlag on Blaster will help the former, and less KBG on Dthrow will help the latter by simply giving him a good combo throw.

 

[SuperBrawler]

ALL NEW DLC!

PICHU

AND BECAUSE WE SECRETLY LOVE HIM HE'S FREE

I like the Delta stages idea.

 

[Deleted member]

ALL NEW DLC!

PICHU

AND BECAUSE WE SECRETLY LOVE HIM HE'S FREE

I like the Delta stages idea.

The king of the tier list.

:^)

 

[Admiral Pit]

Let's see what I can do...

Spoiler

Jab: Decrease starting lag

F-tilt: Decrease starting and ending lag. Allow it to have 6 hitboxes instead of 3, and allow it to pull in targets til last hit, and make it do a bit more shield damage, making it more a more formidable move altogether

U-tilt: Decrease starting and ending lag. Increase range.

D-tilt: Allow D-tilt to hit lower to allow Palutena to poke at opponents hanging on the ledge.

F-smash: Improve windbox power, decrease starting lag.

D-smash: Slightly decrease end lag, and increase windbox power.

D-air : Increase hitbox duration from 1 frame to 3, making it easier to land.

-Heavenly Light: Decrease ending lag. Make it more useful, but balanced altogether
-Angelic Missile: Allow Palutena to move back or forth after connecting with the move to make it harder to attack her (Similar to what ZSS can do after her Down-B connects)
-Counter: Decrease starting and ending lag. Increase knockback when struck by weak hits to decrease the window of being attacked after successfully countering a weak move.
-Lightweight: Patch the "reuse" glitch from using a soft platform thing.


-Improve U-tilt somehow to make it more usable, but balanced (apply this for Dark Pit as well).
-F-tilt: Increase power and knockback from sweetspot
-Explosive Orbitars (customs): Decrease ending lag


Now for others...


-Increase ending lag to D-throw to strongly decrease his combo ability
-Make N-air weaker


-Weaken combo ability


-REMOVE his jab infinite thing


-Decrease Luma Health from 50HP to 40HP
-Increase Luma respawn time from 13 seconds to 15.
-Decrease knockback from Luma altogether


-Increase ending lag for D-throw and U-throw to weaken his combo ability


-Kong Cyclone: Prevent the move from being able to be auto-canceled by landing low. Give it ending lag no matter what. Nerf it in other ways so that it isn't truly superior to regular up-b.


-Give some moves lag


-Decrease combo ability somehow


-Increase ending lag on Eggs
-Make N-air weaker


-Allow PK Fire to be DI'd out of easier
-Decrease B-throw knockback drastically
-Weaken him altogether


-Decrease B-throw knockback


-Decrease Side-B and Down-B knockback
-Decrease Jab range


-Increase knockback on D-throw (but no general way of killing) to strongly weaken attempts to combo to U-air.


-No invincibility frames on his moves
-Nerf B-throw and F-throw
-Decrease damage from his spin dashes


-Remove KO punch mechanic
-Remove Super Armor from Smashes


-Nerf Up-B's knockback
-Decrease landing lag on F-air and B-air
-Decrease Phantom respawn time by 2 seconds, slightly increase HP, but slightly increase the time it stays out.
-Side-B does not put Zelda into freefall anymore.


-Increase grab range


-Increase D-tilt knockback

General
-Nerf rolls
-Nerf Shields. Make characters in shields easier to push, and able to push them off platforms.
-REMOVE Rage effect
-Create Battlefield variations for stages, and allow them to be used on For Glory as well.
-Allow the game to remember the costume you used last for your characters (like on the 3ds)

Probably more I've forgotten.

 

[Mighty Moose]

Dedede and Ganondorf S tier, Sonic and Rosalina bottom tier.

 

[Putuk]

Dedede and Ganondorf S tier, Sonic and Rosalina bottom tier.

Good man.

 

[TheGameCrewNerds]

make it so you can't perfect shield insta-shield breakers

 

[WhiteLion]

nerf

 

[JayWon]

-Option to turn off Equipment
-No need to have custom sets predetermined. Can scroll and choose on the spot

Neutral B <1,2,3>
Side B <1,2,3>
Up B <1,2,3>
Down B <1,2,3>
​

-Use Gamepad for music playlist and overall UI music control
-Nerf Rosalina's U-air/Jab, more endlag on her down special, have Rosalina manually charge her Neutral B for certain amount of time to earn her Luma back
-Decrease Luigi's damage output (N-air does 12%, B-air does 14% ?! wtf hits harder than Charizard and DK!)
-Decrease Ness's damage output
-Nerf Sheik's needles. Distance, start/end lag
-Buff Zelda, completely just revisit her moveset. Her "trade off" does not make sense
-Buff all lower tiers in general, give WFT heal like 10% at least why the heck not
-Give all Heavies a reasonable kill throw, more priority in their aerials (combo breaker N-airs have wayyyy to much priority and just wreck heavies)
-There is 4 direction on the D-pad and only 3 taunts. TAUNT DLC PLEASE
-More Animal Crossing song should be a high priority because Smashville is played 24/7 and there's so many great songs in Animal Crossing!
-Menu themes DLC!
-Skin DLC
-Amiibo With Friends (wanna have the opportunity to utilize them more)
-FIX THE DAMN CSS SO IT MAKES SENSE! GROUP THEM TOGETHER JESUS!
-Have the end of Smash Tour with different characters for Stock a thing!
-Party system+Team Attack On For Glory mode
-I love the big stages that appear once in a blue moon on For Fun. It should come up more often and if it does the timer should be increased to 3 minutes
-Stage Hazards off
-More 8 player maps
-Rainbow Cruise, Newport, Hyrule Temple, Kongo Jungle, Fourside