Your dream patch! (Come predict the future)

[RetroBro]

So, ever since the release of Sm4sh my bud and I have discussed what should be patched in the game. Since Sakurai has now gone back on his word with not releasing anymore patches, I've been brainstorming some ideas for Sm4sh. Things like new characters are always a given. But before I start, this isn't a thread to discuss what characters should be brought into the game. Show your support in the character threads.

Shields and Rolling - I always find myself wondering if they could patch the shields in this game and rolling. Maybe decrease the effectiveness of shields just a tiny bit, and decrease the invincibility frames on rolling/recovering. It would really change the game's dynamic defensive feel and maybe bring in some more entertaining matches. (Just my opinion).

Dash Dancing - My bud also always suggests making dash dancing a bit easier to pull off since it really brings some extra movement to the game. I know it's possible to do, but it's not always consistent.

Delta Stages - Having some sort of 2nd option in place of Omega stages where there are 3 platforms would be amazing.

Maybe some of you would like to see the return of some classic stages like Pokefloats or some new music added to the game. Maybe some more costumes? Or just continuing to balance the game.

Share with us, or try to predict the future patches!

 

[AvengerV]

I agree, nerf defensive play and add dash dancing. Delta Stages are a good idea too.

 

[AreJay25]

Nerf shields/Add shieldstun.

Nerf rolls.

Fix For Glory's everything. Add more stages.

Buff some of the lower tier characters.

Make Sonic's backthrow kill at 60%

Make Pac-Man's grab not ****

 

[LunarWingCloud]

I don't mind the good defensive options, but I would just want a slightly slower shield regen. They regen way too fast. I really don't care about anything else generally. It's refreshing to have actually decent options both defensively and offensively as opposed to Melee having weak defensive options (though not as bad as 64) or Brawl having weak offensive options (at least by comparison to its stupidly strong defensive options).

Buff the decisively low tiers too. Especially characters like Zelda who were already bad in the last games and don't deserve to keep sucking.

 

[Warlock*G]

Replace Peach with Shantae and Mario with K. Rool. We already have a better Peach (Rosalina), and Mario is useless anyway.

 

[Aguki90]

Well,,,

Nerf those rolls.

Nerf shield regen. Too fast.

Nerf Airdodge. Multiple airdodge is incredible stupid.

Nerf villager slingshot and have more lag in d-air.

Nerf Luma power.

Nerf sheik. is speed give her too much priority that other characters cannot do.

Nerf Luigi d-throw with more knockback.

Pretty much everything I want is a BIG NERFED those things.

 

[SleuthMechanism]

-Mewtwo buffs (such as making him mid weight and correcting his inconsistent tail hitboxes)
-Mewtwo customs so you can replace disable with the moves mewtwo deserves
-Nerf sheild regen or buff sheild stun slightly
-remove multiple air dodges or give them a lot more ending lag so aerial combat flows better and air dodging wrong is a very greivous mistake instead of a nearly free action with very minor(if any) consequences for using it repeatedly
-give battlefield reskins in addition to omega forms
-add other gimmickless stages to for glory
-add back dash dancing so movement feels more fluid and less clunky+commital. I honestly have no idea why even a action as basic and fundamental as dashing has so much endlag in this game.
-Slightly nerf Sheik's combo options and give her more kill power in exchange for a much more dynamic and interesting ninja that is still balanced.
-For the love of god, buff greninja!
-buff doc's recovery
-give samus her old nair back, reduce lag on missiles.

 

[Ze Diglett]

• Revoke R.O.B.'s Up-Throw nerf (Seriously, Nintendo, that was completely uncalled for)
• Make Bowser Jr. not **** (There's so, so many things that just cripple him; buff just about any one two five of his moves in some way and you'll pretty much be on the right track)
• Fix. Ganoncide. (oh but its hardur then boozercide olololol)
• If we're to keep the whole "nerf top tiers" thing going from last patch, then completely neuter Rosalina. (That 4% HP nerf on Luma is certainly a step in the right direction)
• Nerf Lucario's aura (mofo kills at 50% when he's at KO %)
• For God's sake, give Mewtwo the respect he deserves. (See point 2)
• Remove rage effect

 

[David Wonn]

My number one wish for a future patch is to allow online matches to be restricted to regional, just as Mario Kart 8 already allows. This would single handedly get rid of the ridiculous input lag (500 ms or more) in roughly one quarter of my matches with random people. Brawl did not match people up as aggressively across the globe as Smash Wii U does. While it certainly would get choppy at times, it never had the input lag this game has. I would actually play something outside of solo offline modes if they ever fix this.

 

[RetroBro]

My number one wish for a future patch is to allow online matches to be restricted to regional, just as Mario Kart 8 already allows. This would single handedly get rid of the ridiculous input lag (500 ms or more) in roughly one quarter of my matches with random people. Brawl did not match people up as aggressively across the globe as Smash Wii U does. While it certainly would get choppy at times, it never had the input lag this game has. I would actually play something outside of solo offline modes if they ever fix this.

Wow I never really thought of that. I'm currently living in Japan and I can't stand playing against Americans haha... the lag is so bad.

 

[Tino]

Buff Rosalina back the way she was before the first balance patch.

 

[FalKoopa]

• Add custom moves for Mewtwo
• Allow regional online matches

The only changes I really want.

 

[GeeHaus]

Perhaps I'm a tad biased, but:
-Reduce starting knockback on Jigglypuff up-throw.
-Dramatically reduce knockback scaling on Jigglypuff up-throw.
-Slower shield regeneration
And, since it is a dream patch after all,
-Re-orchestrate Ness' 64/Melee Victory Theme and replace his current theme with that. Give Lucas Ness' old theme.

 

[SleuthMechanism]

^I would love that. Really weird to see Ness have mother's 8 melodies as a victory theme instead of the 8 melodies theme from mother 2/earthbound like he did prior.

 

[Toxiphobe]

A PATCH WHERE WE CN PLY MEELE ON DA MASTERPISS 4 FREE WIT UNLIMITED TIME






lolno

 

[Zerp]

I'd like to see shield regen nerfed to being roughly 3x as slow as is now.
Noif 'sUp aerial.
Buff and, I don't care how, just buff them.
's upthrow knockback reduced.
Make it so that 's customs aren't useless.
Buff 's frame data back into (just kidding)

 

[Lustful_Kaiser]

My dream patch is to add more content so we can have more trophies and have more modes to try out.

 

[WwwWario]

-Nerf Rolls (please, for the love of God, please)
-Slower shield regen
-Nerf Sheik slightly
-Give Luigi more knockback on D-Throw
-More Stagebuilder options
















-Nerf Greninja

 

[Archimedes]

Main thing: Bring to his former glory. Even a little.
Also needs a few buffs. Maybe to his range.

 

[Opossum]

Give Little Mac Villager's Up Special please.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I kind of wish that there were a few more bonus effects for the equipment. Some examples could include...

• Weight Booster: 1.5x weight boost.
• Weight Dropper: 0.75x weight boost.

Now, let's say that Rosalina is equipped with the Weight Booster equipment. Her weight value of 78 would be boosted by 50%, becoming 117 as a result. And the weight boost can be stacked as well. Similarly, the Weight Dropper equipment would lower Rosalina's weight value of 78 by 25%, becoming 58.5 as a result. That too can be stacked.

 

[AvengerV]

I also want edge hogging back.

 

[Dr. Sandwich]

More plateform levels, less gimmicks and Splatoon Inklings as fighters. The ability to stream directly to Twitch would be MUCHO appreciated.

 

[3D Dillon]

When it comes to a character select screen...

3DS:

WII U

The circle and hand cursor would become smaller to have more room to put more circles in one square.

ULIMATE ALL-STAR MODE:

1980-1984 (The Early Age)
Mr. Game & Watch
Pac-Man
Mario
Donkey Kong
Luigi
Little Mac
Duck Hunt

1985-1986 (The NES Age Part 1)
Ice Climbers
R.O.B.
Peach
Bowser
Link
Zelda
Samus

1987-1990 (The NES Age Part 2)
Pit
Palutena
Ryu
Mega Man
Ayumi
Marth
Dr. Mario

1990-1994 (The SNES Age)
Yoshi
Captain Falcon
Sonic
Kirby
King Dedede
Wario
Fox
Falco
Meta Knight
Ness

1994-1998 (The 3-D Age)
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool
Dixie Kong
Pikachu
Charizard
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Wolf
Sheik
Ganondorf

2001-2006 (The Advanced Age)
Isaac
Villager
Olimar
Roy
Bowser Jr.
Toon Link
Zero Suit Samus
Ike
Lucas
Lucario

2007-2014 (The Current Age)
Rosalina & Luma
Wii Fit Trainer
Shulk
Dark Pit
Robin
Lucina
Greninja
Mii Brawler
Mii Swordfighter
Mii Gunner

The least recent levels have 7 fighters while the most recent 4 have 10. Similar to Melee, the 3DS version gets harder with more fighters to smash in one match, while easier of course with the Wii U version.

Pretty big for DLC, huh? Still enjoy seeing this anyway, OK?

 

[RetroBro]

-Nerf Rolls (please, for the love of God, please)
-Slower shield regen
-Nerf Sheik slightly
-Give Luigi more knockback on D-Throw
-More Stagebuilder options
















-Nerf Greninja

Ah ****, I forgot about stagebuilder... That's how little impact it had on me, and I love that kind of stuff. Hopefully they add some new textures, backgrounds, and tools. I feel tis better than brawl, but is still lackluster.

 

[Nintendrone]

• Slow down shield regeneration.
• Either increase shield stun or make shields slower to use/drop.
• Remove a little invincibility on rolls. I want them to still be useful, though.
• Either slightly increase endlag on air dodges, or only allow 1 until you land or get hit.
• Disallow air dodges while tumbling.
• Decrease endlag on dashes.
• Increase the dash dance window.
• Only allow edge trumps if the hogger's invincibility is gone.
• Buff the lower tier characters more to compete with the higher tiers instead of making everyone weaker.
• Actually try to balance custom moves instead of arbitrarily nerfing some.
• Change the menu so that it's not as confusing.
  • Games & More should be split into Games, Vault, and Options. They should all be on the front page.
  • Solo should be on the front page, labelled "Games". It should have all of Solo's options, except other players can join in like Group.
  • amiibo should be moved to Smash.
  • Stage Builder and Custom should be moved to Vault.
  • Smash Run/Tour should be moved to Games.
• Allow us to toggle stage hazards.
• Allow us to change the default rules.
• Allow us to edit and create custom characters from the Character Select in the Wii U version.
• Allow inputs from the Left stick while using the Right stick when set to Smash.
• Allow us to create Names and control setups in the 3DS version.
• Allow us to use ZL/ZR in the 3DS version.
• Allow us to change what the Right stick does in the 3DS version.
• Allow more stages in For Glory.
• Allow us to play For Glory in our region only to minimize lag.
• Let the host of an online game change the rules, not the loser.
• Allow us to use Miis and custom moves With Anyone, but with no equipment.
• Allow us to invite friends to an open With Friends lobby.
• Allow us to play With Anyone team battles, partnered with a friend.
• Allow us to enable voice chat in With Friends matches.
• Allow us to make the CPUs in Training different characters.
• Allow us to set Teams in Training.
• Make a Custom Shop alongside the Trophy Shop, which has a selection of custom moves and Mii gear for purchase.
• Allow more than 4 trophies in Photo Studio.
• Have more than 4 backgrounds in Photo Studio.
• Have some more textures for Stage Builder.
• Have more backgrounds in Stage Builder.
• Have more options in Stage Builder, such as disappearing platforms, falling platforms, and ice.
• Allow us to copy and paste selected areas in Stage Builder.
• Allow us to change the blastzones in Stage Builder.
• Allow us to set the spawn points in Stage Builder.
• Allow us to make drop-through platforms of different shapes in Stage Builder.
• Allow us to adjust the speed and shape of moving platforms in Stage Builder.
• Remove Smash Tour lol

 

[Jdaster64]

• Remove airdodges, or limit to one per time airborne (with or w/o special-fall).
• Add some 64-levels of shieldstun and rolling lag.
• Add at least some level of dash-dancing / extra dash maneuverability.
• Make spike d-airs a bit less worthless.
• Remove 8-player matches from Classic mode, at least until stage 4-5.
• Add Magicant to Wii U stagelist?

 

[kantoskies]

• Make the CSS screen look like this:

• Make the menu controls less over-sensitive (half the time when I try going one direction it takes me in a completely different direction)
• Add the feature to rotate the menu angle with the c-stick like other games
• Fix the character order seen in places like Character Ending videos, trophy list, stats, etc. It seemed like they kind of went with a 64 character > Melee character > Brawl character > Smash 4 character order but it got weird because Ness and Jigglypuff are still at the end (even though they're not unlockable) along with some of the other unlockable characters, clones, and Mewtwo. If they were going for an ordering system they did a terrible job at executing it
• Take Smash Tour off the main menu and replace it with literally anything else. Classic Mode, All-Star, Special Orders, My Music, Trophies, heck even DATA. Any of those options are both more frequently-used and more-deserving of a spot on the main menu over Smash Tour.
• Add the unused announcer voice clip where he shouts "SUPER SMASH BROTHERS FOR WII U" to the end of the opening like it was apparently originally intended
• Fix the terrible camera controls when viewing a trophy
• Make the different backgrounds when viewing a trophy give off unique and vastly different lighting effects like in Melee (and Brawl too? I honestly forget)
• A lot of sub-menus in the game have boring solid-colored backgrounds, either give them the same background as the main menu (all the character silhouettes) or as the bottom of the CSS
• New menu sound effects/victory fanfares
• Peach has an unused voice clip (well it was in Brawl but since they were re-used here I'm assuming it's still there) of her shouting "yeah!" that was used in Project M when she performed her final smash. USE IT! Also make her peaches inedible by other players.

 

[RetroBro]

I honestly think that the items in this game are kinda lacking too. We need some really powerful items that aren't bombs T_T....

Dunno what they'd be...

And maybe bring in Smash Run from the 3ds. It was a very fun mode.

 

[Ryan.]

Zelda buffs please. That's all I care about at this point.

 

[Purin a.k.a. José]

-Buff Kirby's kill power
-Nerf rolls
-Make shields more breakable
-Ness/Zelda/Sheik/ DONG get no longer helpless by doing non-recovery Special moves on the air
-Jiggly's dair now is a Meteor Smash
-Marth can Meteor-Smash like he did at Melee
-Dash-Dancing returns like it was before.
-Dash Cancelling with also returns.
-One Airdodge while airbone, and no helplessness
-DACUS returns
-Fix the Victory themes/ voice clips
-More options on Stage Builder
-Put in other stages in FG
-Change the time in FG 1-on-1: Now battles have max time of 6 minutes
-Make Smooth Lander stuff easier to unlock
-Make Items less broken so that I can come back to play with them. By "Item brokenness" I meant stuff like Beetle killing so early
-Make the Smash Ball break like in Brawl; both winner and loser have the same choice. I hate that I've got to attack it, like 6 times to get the Final Smash and my opponent who's losing breaks it in one.
-A sound clip of the announcer yelling "SUPER SMASH BROTHERS FOR WII U!"
-Put Mii Fighters newcomer video in "Movies"
-PUT A EFFIN' HAZARD TOGGLE!!!!!!11
-Turn previous replays into videos after a patch.

 

[MarioMeteor]

I'm gonna have field day with this.
Universal

• Bring back DACUS.
• Make it so that shield traction won't push you off of edges.
• Smaller blast zones
• Slightly more ending lag on rolls
• Remove Rage.
• Remove the whole "attacking beats grabbing" thing.
• Make it so that when two attacks collide, they cancel each other out.

• Why the hell does Mario have the 6th worst traction in the game?
• Restore his Fireballs and down smash to how they were in Brawl.
• Let him deal damage, please.

• Restore Super Jump Punch, Luigi Cyclone, and neutral air back to how they were in Brawl.

• Restore all special moves (except Super Jump Punch's sweetspot) back to how they were in Melee.
• Restore Doc Punch back to how it was in Melee.
• **** it, just bring Melee Doc back.

• Make Luma's AI not ******** and give her back her forward and back throws from pre-1.0.4.

• Give all tilts more range.
• Make her smash attacks not horrible.
• Give up air more range or power. Or both. I really don't care.
• Increase her air speed. Why the **** is a dinosaur/dragon thing faster than a balloon in the air?
• Restore Rollout and Pound back to how they were in Brawl and Rest back to how it was in Melee.
• Make Sing not ass.
• Give her back her crown and headband. I'd make this bolder, but there's no "extra bold" setting.
• Drastically increase up throw's knockback scaling so that it's a KO move and decrease down throw's knockback.

• Weaken him at High/Max Aura but strengthen him at Low/No Aura.
• Give him back his neutral air from Brawl.

• Dear God, slow him the **** down!
• Slow down his jab, neutral air, and forward air.
• See #1.

• Make his jab not ridiculous.
• Weaken his forward smash. There is no logical reason why that sumbitch does 19% uncharged.
• Weaken up air.
• Remove his up tilt spike.
• Weaken Falcon Kick.

• Remove him from the game. What? What do you mean "you can't do that?" Fine.
• Weaken Homing Attack
• Lower Spin Dash and Spin Charges priority and damage.
• Weaken his forward and up smashes.
• Give his down aerial more ending lag.
• Give him his Brawl voice back.
• Are you sure we can't remove him from the game?

• (Pretend this is in extra bold) GIVE HIM HIS BRAWL VOICE BACK!
• Matter of fact, just give me Brawl Fox back.

• Can we at least remove HIM from the game?

• Give forward tilt more knockback.
• Give forward air more ending lag.
• Nerf Needles.
• Make Bouncing Fish not as safe.

• Consistency, please. Make it so that the tipper hitbox is actually the tip of Falchion.
• Restore his down air to when it was good.

• Kong Cyclone. Fix it, please.

• Nerf his damn back throw.

• Make this rodent less annoying.
• Remove the Quick Attack bull****.

• Tell me we can at least remove him. No one's gonna miss him.
• Nerf slingshot's knockback.
• Shorten his up specials duration.

• Make Flip Jump less safe, weaken the knockback, and make it so that it can't bury or meteor smash you.
• Weaken Boost Kick

Also, Zelda is such a bad character, her up tilt needs to do 1% more.

 

[kantoskies]

Oh I'm reminded of two other things:

1) Give stages location prefixes like in Melee (Mushroom Kingdom: Princess Peach's Castle, Kanto: Pokemon Stadium, etc)
2) Give each Rosalina alt a different colored Luma and have that color stay throughout the whole match. It's so confusing when there's more than one Rosaluma on stage and you can't tell whose Luma is whose (that's kind of the whole point of alt colors/costumes but whatever).

 

[Space Stranger]

Give an actual recover.

 

[Slurzen]

add wavedashing
delete shulk out of the game

 

[Pippin (Peregrin Took)]

I'd like to see a couple online modes added.

A sharing feature for character customizations along with the current miis. Can you imagine how easy it would be to get aa's custom setups on every tournament Wii u? Also been having a blast experimenting with the different equipment effects on miis and wanna work more with the other fighters.

Also a way to upload replays to YouTube a la Mario kart 8 seems pretty obvious.

 

[Kwinston]

Nerf Luigi d-throw with more knockback.

Why would they need to nerf this?

 

[Ze Dewott]

• Make ZSS's Flip Jump NOT the best move in the game.
• Give Shulk's smashes less ending lag.
• MAKE YOSHI BAD AGAIN
• Make the second hit on Toon Link's F-Smash whiff less.
• Make Mechakoopa faster and last longer.
• Give some respect to my man Expand Dong.
• Please just nerf Zero Suit Samus.
• Nerf Spindash.
• WHAT THE HECK IS SHEIK'S F-TILT AND WHY DOES IT CHAIN
• Give Toon Link a bit more range, please.
• Remove Link's dash attack.
• Make Luigi's D-Throw not combo into every single one of his aerials.
• CAN WE MAKE PIKACHU BAD FOR JUST ONE GAME.
• NERF THE FREAKIN' KNOCKBACK ON ZELDA'S UP-B, IT'S UNNECESSARY.
• Remove Falcon.
• Might as well throw Fox in there too.
• Remove ZSS from existance.
• Give ROB his old U-Throw back.
• Make replays uploadable instantly to YouTube, similar to MK8.
• Remove Smash Tour and put in online Smash Run.
• Upgrade Stage Builder with items from Brawl, and just make it fresh.
• masked man and geno dlc plz ;-;

 

[PokemonyeWest]

•A complete redesign of Online Matchmaking. People should be able to create lobbies and have people join them, or be able to invite people. You should be able to see what your connection will look like with some sort of bars graphic (Think Street Fighter 4's online).
•They need to fix the lips on Lylat. It just needs to be done.
•Shields should regenerate slower
•Increase shield stun slightly

As for character tweaks, I think..

•When you use Greninja's Up+B and hit a wall, he goes into a state where all you can do is aerial attack or wall cling. This should be taken out completely since it makes recovering with him on stages with lips very risky.
•More recovery frames on Sheik's F-tilt. Eliminate the windbox when she reappears during her Up+B

 

[Putuk]

Remove.
Remove.
Remove.
Nerfbeyond compare and make it so he automatically loses, should he face.

Remove Melee.



Add more alt colors.

Change Dededes voice actor to Ted Lewis.