Yoshi's Melee to Project M Change log

[hamyojo]

Neutral B hitbox is much larger, can be moved around in (like with Wario's bite, you can control the momentum), and the opponents pop out of the eggs they have less invincibility
Down B has an active weak hit box on it's way up that will lead in to the second, strong it
Up B seems to have received no changes, but minimum throw length has been raised. Eggs are stronger (Can now stop/hit Fox/Falco out of their Fox Fire's, for example)
Side B has quick initial hop and momentum, then starts a hitbox
Cancelling side B is very quick, easy to combo out of
Side B can be used like Marth's side B to recover slightly more effectively
Side B's momentum can be used as a recovery mind game, and gives more distance. Use it to recover. It does take your jump, though.

Nair's hitbox is bigger, reaches more forward
Fair has less landing lag maybe
Dair hitboxes do NTSC damage but have much, much more knock back. Can pop up opponents off of ground with lots of stun. Much less landing lag.
Bair has far more range, knock back, and deals more percent. Less landing lag.
Uair seems unchanged

Jabs seem unchanged
Utilt reverted to Smash 64 utilt, it's much faster and very easy to combo with
Ftilt reverted to Brawl f-tilt's animation, unchanged hitboxes/frame data
Dtilt seems unchanged

Grab is quicker, has a much larger/more reliable grab box
Dash grab has a much larger/more reliable grab box
Down throw sends more outward

Second jump can continue in it's jump/arc while you use an aerial
Second jump armor is a bit stronger

Down smash seems unchanged
Fsmash seems to be stronger
USmash is much stronger, has a much larger/longer hit box

Shield completely different, can be jumped out of
Shield will always slide
Shield changes color with Yoshi color choice

Yoshi is PAL weight (heavier) rather than NTSC weight (lighter)

I'll bet a lot of this is wrong, PLEASE correct what you can.

 

[Dinowulf]

actually you're spot on with all this. I been practicing him since yesterday and you're about right with everything. Although wish he had the parry like melee but alas he will always slide. Maybe you can use Yoshi's Down+B as a counter from that. I'm still testing that though.

 

[JesseMcCloud]

I thought I read that Yoshi can still parry on the character page... I must be mistaken.
Up+B is no longer limited in range; the eggs don't detonate until they make contact with an enemy or the stage. Yoshi can even hit enemies far below/behind him trying to recover!
Also, Up+B seems to slow his fall, like Marth's Dancing Blade.

 

[Dinowulf]

No you're right it does say he can parry in alas he cannot at least i've made many attempts using the falcon punch..but to no avail. I only manage a slide

 

[Scatz]

UpB does nothing to his vertical momentum.

 

[JesseMcCloud]

UpB does nothing to his vertical momentum.

It seems to slow his fall just a tad. Perhaps not as drastically as Marth's Side+B, but it's there.

 

[hamyojo]

It seems to slow his fall just a tad. Perhaps not as drastically as Marth's Side+B, but it's there.

Nope. It does nothing.
EGE's have the same timing exactly.

EGE's look weird though, I can only do them when looking away from Yoshi because the visual cues I used to use have changed, it's kind of frustrating.

 

[JesseMcCloud]

Nope. It does nothing.
EGE's have the same timing exactly.

EGE's look weird though, I can only do them when looking away from Yoshi because the visual cues I used to use have changed, it's kind of frustrating.

Erm... "EGE"?

 

[hamyojo]

Erm... "EGE"?

Edge canceled egg
The thing where you go to the ledge and fall then double jump and throw an egg then the animation cancels

 

[Girth94]

Edge canceled egg
The thing where you go to the ledge and fall then double jump and throw an egg then the animation cancels

Can you PLEASE help me with this? I've got the DJC and RDJC and all kinds of Yoshi-specific techs down, but I cannot get the EGE. I haven't gotten it a single time.

 

[hamyojo]

Can you PLEASE help me with this? I've got the DJC and RDJC and all kinds of Yoshi-specific techs down, but I cannot get the EGE. I haven't gotten it a single time.

In Melee or Project M?

 

[Girth94]

In Melee or Project M?

PM. I'm not even sure what the inputs are, let alone the timing.

 

[hamyojo]

PM. I'm not even sure what the inputs are, let alone the timing.

1. grab ledge
2. press away from ledge/drop off
3. double jump, then wait a second
4. up b and angle it
5. Destroy!

Here it is (in Melee) over and over again by possibly the two best Yoshis. My ears.

 

[Girth94]

1. grab ledge
2. press away from ledge/drop off
3. double jump, then wait a second
4. up b and angle it
5. Destroy!

Here it is (in Melee) over and over again by possibly the two best Yoshis. My ears.

OHHHH, you have to double jump! I was using it like a Firefox ledge stall thinking he'd snap right back to the ledge. Wow, this is one hard technique.

If done perfectly, do you have full ledge invincibility?

 

[hamyojo]

OHHHH, you have to double jump! I was using it like a Firefox ledge stall thinking he'd snap right back to the ledge. Wow, this is one hard technique.

If done perfectly, do you have full ledge invincibility?

Yes, it is, I spent a good four months of killing myself all the time in practice until I could do it fast enough/consistently enough to use all the time, and it's really, really powerful tool.

And to answer your question, nope... I think the new animation may intentionally make Yoshi back away form the ledge, maybe making it a more safe option on purpose? I don't know, it throws me off, but I'll keep trying.

Good luck! Don't get too frustrated if you don't get it at first, it's very hard and will take a long time to get!

 

[Sashimi]

I've also had trouble with EGEs in P:M due to visual cues. Just gotta get used to Yoshi's Brawl look, I suppose.

Is it just me, or does Neutral B have much better range?

Also, Dair seems either much easier to L-Cancel, or much easier to combo out of. Dair > Utilt > Fun

If Fair is really a Spike now, then I am looking forward to risky and unnecessary Fair edgeguards!

 

[hamyojo]

I've also had trouble with EGEs in P:M due to visual cues. Just gotta get used to Yoshi's Brawl look, I suppose.

Is it just me, or does Neutral B have much better range?

Also, Dair seems either much easier to L-Cancel, or much easier to combo out of. Dair > Utilt > Fun

If Fair is really a Spike now, then I am looking forward to risky and unnecessary Fair edgeguards!

Neutral B may have more range, I'll have to look in to that...

And yes, Dair is much, much easier to combo out of!

hooray for SDs!

 

[Scatz]

Egg Lay has been doubled in range compared to his grabs. Not even Brawl had that kind of range.

 

[Sashimi]

Turns out Fair isn't a spike. I saw it meteor cancelled on stream today.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Turns out Fair isn't a spike. I saw it meteor cancelled on stream today.

Damn, is that true? That's kind of sad, I haven't had anyone cancel it on me yet. I'll have to tell them, so they'll start trying to cancel it, and see how often it happens.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

It can be DI'd, soooooo.

And yes, this Egg Lay has hella range.

 

[hamyojo]

Yoshi's fair was hard to meteor cancel in Melee, and I think is even harder in Project M. In Melee I could pretend it was a spike and use it as such- and people believed me and didn't even bother trying to cancel. It was kinda funny. We should all just pretend it's a spike and no one will notice!

 

[Sashimi]

Yoshi's fair was hard to meteor cancel in Melee, and I think is even harder in Project M. In Melee I could pretend it was a spike and use it as such- and people believed me and didn't even bother trying to cancel. It was kinda funny. We should all just pretend it's a spike and no one will notice!

Fair is now officially a Spike. Only the Yoshi mains will know...

 

[Kimimaru]

To be honest I'm fond of PM Yoshi. He received some buffs, but at the cost of his combo game and D-smash. It's great that they brought back his 64 U-tilt, but it doesn't combo as well because 64 had much more hitstun than any other SSB game. Grabs don't lead into much anymore either.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

A lot of that seems just a tad off to me. Yoshi has pretty good combos in PM and great followups off DThrow at the least.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

getting stuff off of grabs is basically all I do with yoshi, so the idea that you can't do stuff after a grab is kind of ridiculous to me.

 

[hamyojo]

I fail to understand how Yoshi's combo game could be considered worse in any way

 

[Frost | Odds]

Egg Lay has been doubled in range compared to his grabs. Not even Brawl had that kind of range.

I would like to officially complain that Kirby's Egg Lay range is totally garbo. >=(

And Yoshi's combo game is better than ever, I don't know what Kimi is talking about.

 

[hamyojo]

I would like to officially complain that Kirby's Egg Lay range is totally garbo. >=(

And Yoshi's combo game is better than ever, I don't know what Kimi is talking about.

Kirby confirmed for bottom tier
buff pls
need moar tongue

 

[Sarix]

Yoshi is also slightly heavier than he was in Melee. He got his PAL weight of 111 instead of the NTSC 108.

 

[hamyojo]

Just realized his aerials have less landing lag as well.
Jeez he just gets better and better.

 

[Kimimaru]

Yeah sorry guys those were just my initial impressions after a few hours of playing with non-competitive players. I haven't tried any combos with egg roll and such when I played. I'll hopefully give him another go sometime soon (I don't have PM) and post my thoughts here.

 

[BananaHotdog]

I don't totally know for sure, but Yoshi's down throw seems to pop up his opponents less.

 

[hamyojo]

I don't totally know for sure, but Yoshi's down throw seems to pop up his opponents less.

What characters do generally play against?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

how high they get popped up depends on their weight, and their fallspeed will also effect how you need to follow up.

It might be slightly different from melee? It's not in any significant way I can see, so it's probably not.

 

[Sashimi]

It don't know if it's just me, but I also noticed something was off about the Down Throw. I seem to be able to get the same follow-ups from it even though it looks like the opponent is lower to the ground.

 

[666blaziken]

To be honest I'm fond of PM Yoshi. He received some buffs, but at the cost of his combo game and D-smash. It's great that they brought back his 64 U-tilt, but it doesn't combo as well because 64 had much more hitstun than any other SSB game. Grabs don't lead into much anymore either.

I combo his up throw into his up air quite often. Maybe it's because I am playing level 9 cpu's?

 

[Sashimi]

I combo his up throw into his up air quite often. Maybe it's because I am playing level 9 cpu's?

Haven't tried Upthrow in PM yet, but in Melee it wasn't very safe to use against actual people.

 

[666blaziken]

Haven't tried Upthrow in PM yet, but in Melee it wasn't very safe to use against actual people.

ah, sorry, I am new with yoshi in melee. What are some good attacks to chain with his throws?

 

[Sashimi]

ah, sorry, I am new with yoshi in melee. What are some good attacks to chain with his throws?

Down throw is Yoshi's go-to combo option for throws. Against fastfallers around 30%+, you can juggle with DJC Uair repeatedly until around 70-90%, or get an Uptilt or Upsmash and continue from there. Against everyone else, it depends on the %. Some characters can be juggled with DJC Uair at low %, some characters can be juggled with Uptilt, and for some, your only real option is to throw an egg at them.