Yoshi v. Sonic

[Deleted member]

You can always chain grab sonic is what hes saying.
Gr chaingrabs (except warios maybe?) are not reliant on percent.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

So up to any percent then? I know that you can only CG characters for so long with some characters before they start being able to get out of it.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Yoshi's goes forever. The GR isnt knockback inflicting its just the other character jumping away from yoshi when escaping the grab, and it has the same predetermined distance. The only things that will end our CG is edges, low platforms they land on, and sometimes wierd slopes. Oh and getting hurt but in 1v1s that almost never happens

Just remember, when CGing soinc OoSpring, DONT CHEW!!!

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Yoshi's goes forever. The GR isnt knockback inflicting its just the other character jumping away from yoshi when escaping the grab, and it has the same predetermined distance. The only things that will end our CG is edges, low platforms they land on, and sometimes wierd slopes. Oh and getting hurt but in 1v1s that almost never happens

Just remember, when CGing soinc OoSpring, DONT CHEW!!!

Elaborate more on this?

 

[Z'zgashi]

Errm... Grab, then when they escape, dash and grab again, and again, and again, an- well you get the picture

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Errm... Grab, then when they escape, dash and grab again, and again, and again, an- well you get the picture

I know what and how to chain grab, I'm not stupid... haha. But why not chew after he springs? Does he still "lag" his way off the stage if you CGR him?

 

[Delta-cod]

If you chew him out of his spring he gets his spring back.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

So in other words, he does lag...?

 

[Delta-cod]

What are you even talking about?

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Sonic's freefall after the spring. That continues if you grab release him after that?

 

[0mega 75]

lol hi

 

[Delta-cod]

Sonic's freefall after the spring. That continues if you grab release him after that?

Only if you don't inflict damage. So don't chew him.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Only if you don't inflict damage. So don't chew him.

Explain why this is useful though if you're not damaging him...

 

[Sharky]

cause if they don't have their spring and you release them offstage you can gimp them...

 

[Delta-cod]

He should be 100% dead if you GR off stage without his spring.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

He should be 100% dead if you GR off stage without his spring.

There's no way he can just grab the ledge again?

 

[Delta-cod]

Jump, maybe? I doubt he should make it back.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Jump, maybe? I doubt he should make it back.

That's what gets me about the whole thing. Whether the ledge is JUST out of his recovery range where it would have been more intelligent to chew or toss anyway, or even CG, or whether it would be smarter to just GR and gimp.

 

[Airborne]

He might be able to jump... but you can probably just grab again.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

He might be able to jump... but you can probably just grab again.

I honestly think this needs tested

 

[Airborne]

I honestly think this needs tested

Or it's called predicting, because several of us are so used to the CG that we can visualize where he'll be at the end of the CG, 90% of the time. And the only thing i can think of a sonic doing his side-b'ing for the extra height out of his second jump (as well as horizontal movement), doing homing attack, or rising fair. The only thing we can't grab him out of is homing attack, because it's mechanics force sonic to aim at your back. However, since he is in front of us and below us at this situation, it's not going to do ****. If he tries to homing attack out of his second jump, then we most likely have a free fair/dair/nair.

Regardless, HE'S IN A BAD POSITION.

 

[Deleted member]

Lemme answer this. If you grab sonic out of of spring, sonic lost that stock. Period.
There is no ifs, ands or buts.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

I just seem to be a bit skeptical about it...

 

[Yikarur]

and whyyyy?

 

[Delta-cod]

Lemme answer this. If you grab sonic out of of spring, sonic lost that stock. Period.
There is no ifs, ands or buts.

Socks, does he get his jump back during the CG, or no?

 

[Sharky]

he shouldn't

 

[Z'zgashi]

No he doesn't, I've done this on x multiple times

 

[Delta-cod]

Then he shouldn't have any chance to recover if you grab him out of spring. Sonic can't do any specials after using his spring, IIRC.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Yup, but he can still sweetspot the ledge and good sonics can mix it up a bit. Some also like to dair to the ground sometimes so he hits solid ground fast

 

[Delta-cod]

Yup, but he can still sweetspot the ledge and good sonics can mix it up a bit. Some also like to dair to the ground sometimes so he hits solid ground fast

Well, obviously. This assumes you grab him out of the spring.

You can grab him before he lands out of the Dair as well. It's very possible, and there's no reason you can't besides the Sonic being smart and not doing it stupidly.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Lets just say it sounds easier on paper, but I completely agree that its amazing. For me, at least once kill per game on sonic is one of these.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Sonic doesn't have any specials after the spring. Just aerials and a free fall.

 

[Z'zgashi]

And air dodge

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Which can post a threat now that you mention it.

 

[Airborne]

not if you wait for the AD and fsmash the F*CK out of him...

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

So in other words, back to where we stated before, about patience being a key element to Sonic's speed.

 

[Shiri]

Exactly.

 

[Z'zgashi]

And it can be hard sometimes cuz sonic is FRICKEN ANNOYING!!

 

[Zatchiel]

Just bait out any of these things that leave Sonic open:

ASC(Down+B in the air): IF they Shield-Cancel, Dtilt their shield, and Grab. If they keep going, Pivot-Grab.
SD(Spin-Dash; On the ground): Pivot-Grab or Grab in general, after they release.
FSmash: Killer; Priority can Punch through MK Tornado.
DSmash: Punisher/Killer
USmash: Racking
Dtilt: Goes into itself, SH Fair, Utilt, or Ftilt.
Ftilt: Spacing
Uair: Killer over the top; High enough Priority to cancel out most Dairs.
Bair: Killer
Fair: Killer/Racker
Dair: Auto-Cancels from a Spring at a certain height; Don't immidiately rush in when you see Spring> Dair.
Spring: Recovery/ Gimp
Neutral B: Racking, Killer(High %'s), Recovery(In some cases).
Side B: Shield-Cancels On the ground before it reaches fully charged.
Down B: Can deal multiple hits from the air, and Shield-Cancels only from the air.

Need i say more?

Edit: .-.
Anyone?

Edit2: FFFFUUUUUU.....