Yoshi v. Fox

[Conviction]

Yea I've recreated that bad habit of Usmashing when the person is in the high precents >.<

Also ummm yea SHTL is a lot harder than you think. I'm praticing it but I can't seem to do it consistantly as I want to.

So you saying 60:40 Fox or 55:45 Fox?

EDIT: I'll shed my light for the MU if you guys want details. Like what to look out for.

 

[Deleted member]

I know SHTL is hard, just saying it changes the matchup, cuz fox can play campier more efficiantly, and theres more pressure to approach.
Hmm definately fox's advantage, its hard for me to really tell how much fox wins by because I've only really played TKD (and not even that much) and some fox's every once in a while not at my skill level xD

On paper though and from my experiences, seems like a 60:40 matchup.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I played a decent fox today and I'll have to say, it's not even, but not terrible for us either. It seems like they have an advantage of about 60:40. I couldn't really find reliable set ups for much, other than good reads, and it seemed as if i never actually switched into offense, I was always playing defensively. I actually won it by getting a nair when he had high damage, a ledge GR -> dair, and a Usmash from prediction. Regardless it still seems to be a very difficuly mu

 

[~Firefly~]

...You were playing defensively against a Fox? o.0

 

[Deleted member]

That shouldnt work lol

 

[bigman40]

50:50

So much exp with Scatz. (Bigman)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAjUjgRcMXI

You know, you should upload the rest of the saved matches instead of just one.

 

[Z'zgashi]

...You were playing defensively against a Fox? o.0

lol i didnt know what to expect, and that's generally how i play yoshi sooo... yes.

And its a good thing the fox wasn't pro or anything >.>

 

[Conviction]

You know, you should upload the rest of the saved matches instead of just one.

I only got one actually >.<

Having too much fun and laughing at you guys about my music selection to remember to save anything else....my bad.

 

[MX778]

Yeaahh.. You definitely have to sit and wait for Fox to make a move.
Most of his moves are faster than ours and those lasers really do build up on us. -___-

 

[Conviction]

Yeaahh.. You definitely have to sit and wait for Fox to make a move.
Most of his moves are faster than ours and those lasers really do build up on us. -___-

Just be careful cause if the matches were tourney matches I would have camped harder. Make you approach. I think this a fun MU but I see you guys don't like it?

Is this some trend? Now everyone is saying the Fox MU is annoying like ZSS mains are saying that. DDD mains said it. Lucarios said it. Lol we are hated.

 

[Delta-cod]

It's because Fox is very quick, so you have to play very safe against a character you have to approach. It's not very fun.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I hate this mu and I don't even play any good foxes lol

 

[~Firefly~]

I don't mind it... ;-;

 

[Z'zgashi]

What do you do then, cuz if you feel that way you must be doing something right?

 

[Surrender]

Ironically I just played my friend who uses Yoshi the other day, while I picked Fox. It seemed kinda hard to beat the Yoshi, even though I tend to win against my friend Kevin. I guess I have a lot to learn.

 

[MX778]

Just be careful cause if the matches were tourney matches I would have camped harder. Make you approach. I think this a fun MU but I see you guys don't like it?

Is this some trend? Now everyone is saying the Fox MU is annoying like ZSS mains are saying that. DDD mains said it. Lucarios said it. Lol we are hated.

Lol, it's not that I don't like it.
It's just that I don't know it all that well. But, it gets better the more I learn about it.

 

[Shiri]

Fox is hated because he has had

drill
lasers
and ridix upsmash

on every character since the dawn of time.

Brawl is harder, though, because you can't reflect him, death combo him, or force him to the edge like you could in the other games. Thankfully the one thing I learned from watching PRiDE was how to edgeguard Fox and Falco, which I think is where Yoshi can take most advantage of Fox. I have patience enough on stage, but after a while it really wears on me; I would prefer to take the fight off the stage and take my chances there.

 

[Delta-cod]

Shiri, link the videos and tell me the secretssssssssss.

 

[Shiri]

Videos? Secrets?

I'm afraid you've lost me, sir. o_o;

 

[Delta-cod]

The things you learned from watching Pride. I assumed they were from watching videos.

How do you edgeguard Fox?

 

[Shiri]

Ohhhhhhhh, that stuff.

Most of it is Falco, but the general ideas apply to Fox as well (aside from having to watch out for stray double jump forward airs from Fox).

I'll try to find some, but you can look at PRiDE's videos versus Falco (I think the better ones are on Smashville) in the meantime. I'll see if I can post some.

Downsmash and neutral air are essential.

 

[Yikarur]

this match-up makes me despairing xD
in my opionion Yoshis greatest strange is to survive looooong (I don't die until 170-180% most of the time) but Fox completly negates this point by just upsmashing when you try to attack at high % (Upsmash OoS, Dash Upsmash after shield drop, everything is faster than Yoshis cool down on most attacks)
;_;

 

[Delta-cod]

I have much fear in this MU.

Which is why I've picked up Pikachu so I can be a **** game 3. Just have to find a way to win Game 1...

 

[Shiri]

Marth?

 

[Delta-cod]

What about her?

 

[Shiri]

Winning game one?

 

[Delta-cod]

Yes?

 

[Z'zgashi]

Fox v. Yoshi now.

 

[Yikarur]

I hate that MU D:

 

[Delta-cod]

Worse than Wolf.

Fox is too fast.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Fox is hard, but not wolf hard...

 

[Delta-cod]

No, it's really, really bad.

Just looking at killing, Fox absolutely ***** us in kill power and ease of killing.

It's hard for us to simply catch him and rack up damage. Let alone land a kill move.

Our only hope is getting early gimps each stock. And that's not incredibly practical.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Im thinking we cp brinstar?

 

[Delta-cod]

Im thinking we cp brinstar?

Although Fox is bad there, we are too. It might be our best bet.

 

[Poltergust]

Honestly, I just bust out Sheik for this match-up. Sorry, guys.

 

[Z'zgashi]

If only hanenbow was allowed, we'd dominate there

 

[Yikarur]

Honestly, I just bust out Sheik for this match-up. Sorry, guys.

this. I play the Yoshi:Fox Match-up sometimes (but avoid it in tourneys) but it feels just awful :/

 

[Sunnysunny]

I secondary pika so....yea. ._.
Sorry doods.

If I were to contribute it would just be me going "Drill iz bad. U-smash kills dood"

 

[Z'zgashi]

I thought you secondary D3...

 

[Deleted member]

Why would you cp a place where usmash kills us at 80 ._.