yeah i was watching the correct thing, the animation is just tricky, but what i said is happening is what is happening
sorry
sorry
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Yoshi: DJC with Air Dodge? (awesome demo vid)
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Chepe
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Dont be, but either way I beg to differ. I guess we wont agree on this, but I am very sure that it isnt just Yoshi's double jump that caused him to fall from that high up into the ground (all other Yoshi double jumps in the vid do not take him that far down). Another piece of "evidence" I see is that the player right after landing shielded and let go immediately, which is something rookie wavedashers do a lot.
Its like the player hit the shield button by accident which made him fall and then let go a little after he hit the ground...
or he double jumped and then pressed his sheild button and held it to long on accident
he may have tried to wavedash, all that happened was him double jumping quickly and landing, while holding the sheild button
i'm sorry but yoshi doesn't have a magical wavedash other than the waveland that every character has, if that remains in the final version.
he may have tried to wavedash, all that happened was him double jumping quickly and landing, while holding the sheild button
i'm sorry but yoshi doesn't have a magical wavedash other than the waveland that every character has, if that remains in the final version.
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I ahd a theory abou this a while back, or if this is what i think. I think gimpy is right on this one, though its tough to say for sure.
Chepe
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Well we cant know that for sure until the game comes out and we can try for ourselves. I bet no one who went to E for All from here tried to air dodge immediately as they double jumped when using Yoshi. Who knows if they would have found it the exception to the momentum aerials thing Yoshi has this time?
I see Yoshi in his air dodge pose as he falls so my mind wont be changed until I see it doesnt work in the final version. In the meantime, I hope people can come to this thread and discuss what they see and the possibilities if what I see is what it is...
PowerBomb
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Wait. Wait. I thought that wavedashing was gone?
And from my view, brawl seems to be like N64 smash for some reason. O.o
And from my view, brawl seems to be like N64 smash for some reason. O.o
Yoshi'stheBombers7
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It is. That's what Gimpy's trying to say.
straight8
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yeah, I hope no one said this but:
--Yeah, wavedashing is gone..
--And also, I heard on the SMYN podcast or something that you couldn't air dodge in a direction anymore, making this simply impossible. Right?
--Yeah, wavedashing is gone..
--And also, I heard on the SMYN podcast or something that you couldn't air dodge in a direction anymore, making this simply impossible. Right?
Yoshi'stheBombers7
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Yea, it's true you can't change the direction of the air dodge, thus no more WDing.
Chepe
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It looks like I made a big mistake in calling this wavedashing. Now very few know what I am pointing out in the video...
What I am saying is basically: Yoshi looks like he can air dodge downwards after a jump by pressing the shield button IMMEDIATELY after doing a double jump because the slight movement downwards from Yoshi's second jump will be considered when air dodging but it will ignore the "go up" part after the second jump. This means that Yoshi might be able to air dodge diagonally downwards near the ground, and might be able to slide from the momentum, like wavedashing did in Melee...
What I am saying is basically: Yoshi looks like he can air dodge downwards after a jump by pressing the shield button IMMEDIATELY after doing a double jump because the slight movement downwards from Yoshi's second jump will be considered when air dodging but it will ignore the "go up" part after the second jump. This means that Yoshi might be able to air dodge diagonally downwards near the ground, and might be able to slide from the momentum, like wavedashing did in Melee...
blooagga
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Now to find other characters that may have moves that send them downwards...
I agree with you chepe. Sorry gimpy, but the jump is way to high for a double jump landing
You can compare the height to the double jump he does immediately after at 0:47 right before he grabs the star (if you look at the ripples created by his second jump, he's even closer to the platform than the stage at 0:44, and he didn't end up double jump landing.)
If you pause the video between the time he does his double jump and when he lands he's in his air dodge position.
But yeah, this isn't exactly what people would refer to as wavedashing (even though wavedashing is dodging into the ground) as there doesn't seem to be much use for it as of now-_- Its more like a gimped low-to-the-ground DJC where you can't do any attacks lol.
domiNate
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Yeah dude I totally respect gimpy, but I'm gonna have to disagree with his opinion on that video footage. Could we refer to what we're talking about as wave landing? I thought I read something in Gimpy's impressions at E for all that characters could wave land by using a move that took their momentum sideways and they could then air dodge towards the ground for a wave land or something like that.... I cannot wait to tap into the possibilities in brawl.
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I couldnt really make it out because it didnt look that smooth but if he can wavedash then nice.
Nicktendo
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I agree with this.. dosen't look like a big deal to me.
straight8
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That and pretty pointless...
brawl_maniac
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great vid. yoshi pwned the others.
Bacon Man11
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This is the highest quality vid I have evur seen.
brawl_maniac
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yeah it is(NOT being sarcastic)
you might want to switch that to "brawl gameplay video" or something like that
or you should watch some high def planet earth or something ;P
or you should watch some high def planet earth or something ;P
The_Corax_King
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even if it is a yoshi-exclusive wavedash... you can only do it in one direction so its uses would be pretty limited...
Yoshi'stheBombers7
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We don't know that for sure, because he only did it in one direction. But, I believe what Gimpy said was true. He was at the E for All, not us, and his answer seems more logical anyways.
The Noob Legend
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I believe somebody clarified it wasn't exactly wavedash.
More like a very quick canceled jump.
I think.
More like a very quick canceled jump.
I think.
domiNate
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No matter what, it could be used for mind games. If yoshi can attack after the slide from this move then it will definitaly be useful for approaches.
Yoshi'stheBombers7
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Mind games work to avoid or trick opponents into doing your bidding, and if that's mind games material...well, it;s not. It takes way too long for him to recover, and it wouldn't work as a mind game. It's just...dumb...
domiNate
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I don't know man. If you can get your friend to hesitate for a split second and go what the heck did you just do, and punish him for hesitating, it's a mind game to me. This would only work for the first time I guess but oh well, haha. It doesn't have huge potential for anything, but it does have some potential.
Yoshi'stheBombers7
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To me, it just looks funny. I wouldn't be fooled to do anything. I would take the oppertunity to smash him, lol. And, he was kind of stunned after doing it. It didn't look like he could move right after.
domiNate
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I can't wait to get my hands on brawl check this out. But as for now, we know squat haha.
Yoshi'stheBombers7
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Um, we actually make threads so we can discuss questions we want answers to, pick the most probable answer, and come up with a solution, so we don't know "squat".
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Hmm, well the opinion seems pretty split on this. I do believe this has potential as a Yoshi technique, but who knows. It will be something to look out for when the game comes out.
I think Im going to change the name of this thread, so its not misleading. Suggestions? I was thinking something like "Yoshi: DJC with air dodge?"...
I think Im going to change the name of this thread, so its not misleading. Suggestions? I was thinking something like "Yoshi: DJC with air dodge?"...
Yosher
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Yeah, that might be better.
I don't think this will actually help Yoshi to improve his technique. Even if it would, this was just in the demo, so it might not even be in the final product.
I don't think this will actually help Yoshi to improve his technique. Even if it would, this was just in the demo, so it might not even be in the final product.
Chepe
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Done. New title that should hopefully clear up any confusion and not place assumptions in people's heads while reading or looking at the vid. The first post has been modified to make it clear that this is just a DJC done through air dodging that might not remain in the final version of the game...
Yoshi'stheBombers7
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I agree with Gimpy. He doesn't DJC from his air doge. In fact, he didn't DJC at all.
Chepe
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Ive repeated this many times: Yoshi was too high for that to be landing from his double jump. In fact, you see him double jump a few seconds later to get the starman and he doesnt go down as much as he did when he did the stunt I point out. And then Yoshi is falling in his air dodge pose too, if you look very carefully.
If his air dodge only takes into account the momentum from falling at the beginning of his second jump into consideration when initiating the second jump, then he would be in fact DJCing with an air dodge. Because he would be canceling his double jump...
If his air dodge only takes into account the momentum from falling at the beginning of his second jump into consideration when initiating the second jump, then he would be in fact DJCing with an air dodge. Because he would be canceling his double jump...
Yoshi'stheBombers7
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I just watched the video, and it looks perfectly normal. Yoshi did his second jump too low. His second jump now sends him down first for a moment before going up.
You make like it didn't send him down in melee? lol.
Did you see the jump he does immediately after the DJC in question at 0:47? Check out the second jump he does right before he grabs the star, and I want you to tell me that it is higher than the DJC + air dodge Chepe is talking about. He should have landed on that platform if that first DJC + air dodge was too close to the ground, but he doesn't.
Yoshi'stheBombers7
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Oh, you may be right. *watches video over and over, perplexed*
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Very nice. Too bad he doesn't have the super armor when he semiDJCs. However, I guess it won't matter since he kept the invincibility frames until he landed.
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The possibilities of yoshi are great if these theories i`ve read have any truth to them when brawl comes out. This is pretty awesome :D