Legend of Zelda Would Termina REALLY be destroyed in the Adult Timeline?

[Ochobobo]

A few of us have commented on how Termina must have been destroyed in the Adult Timeline, because Link wasn't there to save it. But really, if you think of all the events that lead to Termina being destroyed and follow the sequence all the way back to where the timelines split in Ocarina of Time, it most likely wouldn't happen.

Immediately after young Link took the Master Sword at the start of the Adult Timeline, Ganondorf seized the Triforce of Power. Probably in a very short time, given the Triforce's alleged Power, he completely destroyed the Hyrule Marketplace, including the Happy Mask Shop.

I'm not saying Majora's Mask was destroyed or that the Happy Mask Salesman was killed. They both seem to be very powerful entities, given the Mask's inner demon and the Salesman's ability to travel between worlds. (Though, honestly, I'm not sure if either could stand a chance against the Triforce of Power if it really came to it)

But anyway, the Salesman wasn't killed. Even though he's not seen at all in the Adult Timeline, he appears briefly in the credits. It's likely he smuggled the Majora's Mask out of the Marketplace Massacre, given how important the mask is. It is possible he retreated in the direction of Termina.

But how likely is it he ran into Skull Kid again?

It may be that it's inevitable for him to pass through the Lost Woods to Termina without seeing the Skull Kid at all. But this time he is most likely leaving Hyrule at a completely different time, as he was forced out in this timeline. It's also possible Skull Kid is busy staying away from the Deku Babas, Deku Scrubs, and Moblins suddenly appearing throughout the Lost Woods.

My point is the Salesman and the Skull Kid meeting each other in the Lost Woods was a very delicate coincidence and any slight change in history could completely change it. Looking at the differences between the Child and Adult Timeline, the changes between them are extreme and vast (see Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, two games happening at the exact same time according to Aonuma) so it isn't too farfetched for this to be different as well.

But that's just me rambling, anyway.

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

Remember the flood in the adult timeline.

 

[Ochobobo]

That would've happened after all of this, so it should be irrelevant. Remember the Skull Kid stole the Mask around the time Link was a child, and the flood happened long after Ganondorf was sealed in the Sacred Realm, when Link was an adult.

 

[firelord767]

Hold on, but in the child timeline, the Happy Mask Salesman leaves for Termina. The time that corresponds with this is likely to be Link's adventure in Goron World, right? So he's hanging out in Death Mountain, Happy Mask Dude goes into forest, Happy Mask Dude gets mugged, Link does stuff at Death Mountain, Skull Kid takes mask and travels to Termina, Link does more stuff, Termina gets crushed by moon, Link goes to Zora's Domain, does all the other stuff, becomes an adult, goes back in time to go up alternate timeline blah blah blah world gets flooded...

Doesn't that mean that the Marketplace was destroyed AFTER Termina? Or did i miss something? The only thing different is that Skull Kid would not meet Link again, right?

Unless it was all a dream, i think Termina's done and done in the Adult timeline.

 

[Kingdom Come]

You know, I never thought about it like this.

But, this does make sense. This would also mean that The Butler's Son, Darmani, and Mikau all would still be alive. It would also mean that Kafei is never turnt into a child and his mask isn't stolen. Also, Link would have his hotel room lol.

EDIT: **** Shiek'd by Firelord. Also, if I'm interpreting what your saying that when Link goes into the fire temple, Skull Kid and HM Salesman meet, I doubt it because Skull Kid would be too scared of the human and he didn't have his fairies in OoT.

 

[firelord767]

Actually, i ment Dodongos Cavern, while he still was a kid. By then, in the other timeline, Link would've already told Mr. King and stuff and Ganon would be in the mirror room blah blah blah. Unless Fire Temple makes more sense.

Oh, and sorry about Sheiking you. I wish i knew what that ment. Is it painful?

 

[Kingdom Come]

It means you Ninja'd me. Which means as I was posting you made a post right before me.

 

[Ochobobo]

Hold on, but in the child timeline, the Happy Mask Salesman leaves for Termina. The time that corresponds with this is likely to be Link's adventure in Goron World, right? So he's hanging out in Death Mountain, Happy Mask Dude goes into forest, Happy Mask Dude gets mugged, Link does stuff at Death Mountain, Skull Kid takes mask and travels to Termina, Link does more stuff, Termina gets crushed by moon, Link goes to Zora's Domain, does all the other stuff, becomes an adult, goes back in time to go up alternate timeline blah blah blah world gets flooded...

Doesn't that mean that the Marketplace was destroyed AFTER Termina? Or did i miss something? The only thing different is that Skull Kid would not meet Link again, right?

Unless it was all a dream, i think Termina's done and done in the Adult timeline.

But the Happy Mask Salesman is there the entire time you're a child. Even if you check his shop right before you get the Master Sword he'll still be there.

I see what you're saying, though, if Zelda sent Link back in time to before Link even met Zelda, then it's probably at some point after Link beat the Deku Tree level that the game ends. But why should that affect the Mask Salesman? He should still remain at the shop for the time it took you to get the three Spiritual Stones as he did before.

I guess this means Link waited a while before he left Hyrule and met the Skull Kid with Majora's Mask.

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

But the Happy Mask Salesman is there the entire time you're a child. Even if you check his shop right before you get the Master Sword he'll still be there.

I see what you're saying, though, if Zelda sent Link back in time to before Link even met Zelda, then it's probably at some point after Link beat the Deku Tree level that the game ends. But why should that affect the Mask Salesman? He should still remain at the shop for the time it took you to get the three Spiritual Stones as he did before.

I guess this means Link waited a while before he left Hyrule and met the Skull Kid with Majora's Mask.

MM took an estimated 3 moths after OoT (if I remember correctly) Though this entire thread goes under the presumption that alternate dimensions are effected by Hyrule's timeline split.

 

[Ochobobo]

MM took an estimated 3 moths after OoT (if I remember correctly) Though this entire thread goes under the presumption that alternate dimensions are effected by Hyrule's timeline split.

Wellll they should be, since people from Hyrule visited alternate dimensions and affected them.

I don't know, it's a weird theory. I've just been watching a lot of Doctor Who lately and began thinking of time travel and its effects much more often than usual.

 

[firelord767]

Well, if it took place 3 months after OoT's wonderful time travel alternate reality punish Mr. Ganon adventure, than that means that Happy Mask Dude left Hyrule for Termina while Link was sealed away in the Temple o' Time and Termina was destroyed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1_B9P2b2jg&feature=related

Skip to 1:43 on this video. When Link meets Skull Kid in MM, he already has the Mask. As such, Link did not in any way take part in how Skull GOT the mask, so he would get it anyway. All Link did was waste Skull Kid's time, so he would be able to get to the Tower five minutes than earlier.

Unless someone breaks out MM and finds something disastrous that would have killed Skull but he missed it by 5 minutes, or gets an exact time on when Ganon attacked the marketplace,i think this theory has been disproven. However, if Ganon attacked the marketplace before the 3 months were up, or Skull Kid would have died if he tried to reach the tower 5 minutes early, Termina was destroyed.

 

[Masky]

Skull Kid is in the Lost Woods in the Adult portion of OoT, right? So that kind of implies that he never went to Termina

 

[Luigitoilet]

Skull Kid is in the Lost Woods in the Adult portion of OoT, right? So that kind of implies that he never went to Termina

??

There are several Skull Kids in the Lost Woods aren't there? Where is it implied that the Skull Kid in MM is one of the same ones?

 

[firelord767]

Any kid that gets lost in the Lost Woods becomes a Skull Kid. There is no one Skull, though when refered to, the MM Skull Kid is THE Skull Kid. Nevertheless, there are still plenty of them.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Yeah, that's my point. You can't use the Skull Kids in OoT as some kind of proof of the Skull Kid in MM.

 

[Masky]

??

There are several Skull Kids in the Lost Woods aren't there? Where is it implied that the Skull Kid in MM is one of the same ones?

At the end of MM, the Skull Kid in MM says "Eh-hee-hee...You have the same smell as the fairy kid who taught me that song in the woods...". In OoT, you can play Saria's Song for the Skull Kid which causes him to become your friend and give you a piece of heart. This shows that they're the same Skull Kid. Also in OoT, it is shown that the Skull Kid likes masks, since he buys the Skull Mask from you.

Also there are not "several" Skull Kids in the Lost Woods, in OoT there are only 3 total shown iirc.

And the 2 other Skull Kids in OoT are probably just magical projections of the first Skull Kid. When you give the first Skull Kid the Skull Mask, the 2 other Skull Kids also are wearing the Skull Mask.

 

[firelord767]

At the end of MM, the Skull Kid in MM says "Eh-hee-hee...You have the same smell as the fairy kid who taught me that song in the woods...". In OoT, you can play Saria's Song for the Skull Kid which causes him to become your friend and give you a piece of heart. This shows that they're the same Skull Kid. Also in OoT, it is shown that the Skull Kid likes masks, since he buys the Skull Mask from you.

When was this? Before or after Master Sword?

Also there are not "several" Skull Kids in the Lost Woods, in OoT there are only 3 total shown iirc.

The rest are lost

 

[Masky]

When was this? Before or after Master Sword?

You can only interact with the Skull Kid as child Link. As adult Link, the Skull Kid is standing in the exact same spot but he just shoots pellets at you from his flute (because he doesn't like adults).

 

[Luigitoilet]

At the end of MM, the Skull Kid in MM says "Eh-hee-hee...You have the same smell as the fairy kid who taught me that song in the woods...". In OoT, you can play Saria's Song for the Skull Kid which causes him to become your friend and give you a piece of heart. This shows that they're the same Skull Kid. Also in OoT, it is shown that the Skull Kid likes masks, since he buys the Skull Mask from you.

Also there are not "several" Skull Kids in the Lost Woods, in OoT there are only 3 total shown iirc.

And the 2 other Skull Kids in OoT are probably just magical projections of the first Skull Kid. When you give the first Skull Kid the Skull Mask, the 2 other Skull Kids also are wearing the Skull Mask.

More than one= several

3= more than one

3= several

As for the MM quote, you could be right, I don't remember.

 

[Swiftblades]

Hold on, but in the child timeline, the Happy Mask Salesman leaves for Termina. The time that corresponds with this is likely to be Link's adventure in Goron World, right? So he's hanging out in Death Mountain, Happy Mask Dude goes into forest, Happy Mask Dude gets mugged, Link does stuff at Death Mountain, Skull Kid takes mask and travels to Termina, Link does more stuff, Termina gets crushed by moon, Link goes to Zora's Domain, does all the other stuff, becomes an adult, goes back in time to go up alternate timeline blah blah blah world gets flooded...

Doesn't that mean that the Marketplace was destroyed AFTER Termina? Or did i miss something? The only thing different is that Skull Kid would not meet Link again, right?

Unless it was all a dream, i think Termina's done and done in the Adult timeline.

you can still go to the happy mask salesman after the zoras domain part. meaning that him and skull kid would have never encountered.

 

[firelord767]

If he's a lot more hostile during Adult Link, he could've been ditched by M'sM and escaped in the last second by some dark magic. Scared for life, he attacks any life he comes across.

Skull Kid has to survive if he is in OoT after the Master Sword is drawn. No matter how i loom at this, some piece doesn't fit. If Termina made it, then what prevented the falling of the moon, Kafei? I'd lol if it were that way. So Termina was destroyed, right? But then how did Skull Kid live?

It just doesn't seem to work...

 

[theunabletable]

Remember the flood in the adult timeline.

Termina is in an alternate demension/world. It wouldn't have been affected by the flood.

 

[Masky]

If he's a lot more hostile during Adult Link, he could've been ditched by M'sM and escaped in the last second by some dark magic. Scared for life, he attacks any life he comes across.

Skull Kid has to survive if he is in OoT after the Master Sword is drawn. No matter how i loom at this, some piece doesn't fit. If Termina made it, then what prevented the falling of the moon, Kafei? I'd lol if it were that way. So Termina was destroyed, right? But then how did Skull Kid live?

It just doesn't seem to work...

What? No, the Skull Kid just hates adults, Navi tells you this if you do C-up while targeting him.