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Too bad I can't stand P:M Tlink though.
I swear I am going to make it work.
Oh, boy, I've ripped people apart for the exact same suggestions. Ho' boy. Here's why not:
How long would it travel around the stage for, how quickly? How does this help Link zone effectively when he cannot control it? Would it just explode on contact with the ground if he threw it from the air? Would he have to crouch and lay it to make it work? Could he himself pick it back up? Really, think of how much you're taking away from Yink in terms of AGT tech (a huge part of Link/Tink/Yink's game), which would affect recovery, approaches, and attacking.
Which spacie? Would it be like Fox's, with rapid fire and no hitstun? Falco's, in which there's high hitstun, but a delay between rounds (would Yink be able to use Falco's laser tech, like the SHDL?), or Wolf's? What would the explosion do? High knockback, high hitstun, stun an opponent and paralyze them? If so, how would you compensate for the huge amount of power behind a projectile like that?
Knockback on what? His throws, attacks? Saying "any good player can make up for it" is a **** statement, since you don't see good Smash 64 players making up for Link's subpar recovery, in a setting in which he can't do the kind of tech he can now. Something which would affect Link again when you take away his bombs and tether recovery. Increasing u-special height does more than just affect his recovery, so you can't just say "make him go higher" to compensate; it's not enough.
Would Yink be able to crawl then? How would that even work? He can't even move under his shield in Ocarina, or use a weapon when he's curled up, so how would that be of use to him? Why couldn't he be able to crouch-cancel attacks and counterattack? Why should he just be stuck taking the hits for the sake of a gimmick?
What's 'distance' to Din's Fire? That attack has an obscene 'distance' when you get down to it. How long is this 'time'? And what use could it be if the opponent could just jump it? This doesn't help Link exert stage control, as the thing would hardly be in anybody's way, and it doesn't help at all with zoning, either.
But, you'd said it'd just blow up if you threw it and it hit the ground. Pick one.
On a slingshot? And, besides, why should Link lose something like his Bow, a better tool for off-stage gimping what with its arc, and get something like the slingshot?
Why would you cancel into a dair? Yink has faster, more potent kill options in the air that he would be able to take advantage of. One of which would be the hookshot, if you hadn't suggested to get rid of it like a gooflord.
There's this tech, called 'crouch cancelling', you may (not) have heard of it. There's also this mechanic, super armor, does pretty much the same thing. Only, none of these really fit and mesh with Link's playstyle.
Only, he woudn't be 'almost identical'. Your every suggestion removes from him what gives him his ability to be such a potent zoner, with powerful play off-stage, and a variety of tools and mixups to grant him some incredible approaches.
That's an awful long time to just let it run. What, do you think Yink could bust out another while the first one is still running around? Short answer; no. Having a thousand bombchu fielded at once is a crap idea for a lot of reasons.
Do you know what you're saying when you mean 'more constant'? Shooting faster isn't always an advantage, and you don't get that. Get somebody off of the stage, and fire arrows down on them. They'll fall lower, and lower, and lower with each hit, which isn't that hard to pull off. With a straight shot on his ranged weapon, and no bomb that he can use off-stage, then what can he do to hamper off-stage recoveries? The answer is nothing.
Link isn't a character that you play 'how you want'. You're going to be zoning with him at some point, whether-or-not you play aggressively, or passively.
I don't think you understand just how powerful that is.
Why, though? Link has traditionally been a thinker, a puzzle-solver. Passive in his approaches, and dealing with situations in combat through careful planning and tool manipulation. In his own games, and in Smash, it's the approach he's always taken. Having a balls-deep, iron-fist Link who could run roughshod through situations wouldn't fit the bill. Not only that, but you're giving your so-called 'non-zoning' Link many attacks that supplement ranged capability, but don't even do that since he has nothing else that blends with it.
This is the kind of thing you're not thinking about. You're only thinking of the attack or property itself, what it does, not how you use it in conjunction with anything else, not how it acts in relation to general tech. For example, just ask yourself; how quickly could Yink be 'readied' and have that armor? Would it be instant? Would there be a 'warmup' that he'd have to wait for once he's crouched, even if it's for a fraction of a second? How quickly could he stand out of it? And act out of it? Could he just cancel Bowser's f-smash out with it, and instantly stand and attack?
You can already do that with Link's normal bombs. Shorthop-drop to plant an effective mine that Link can easily WD/Glide Toss at any point to exert stage control, and ranged pressure. Plus, he can lay out as many as he wants. With a bombchu-like device, you're limited to having one on the field at any one time, having to wait until it detonates to use another, lest you have a major imbalance like if Ivy could throw multiple leaves without having to wait until they disappear. The situation would be comparable.
Which they could easily perfect shield, or simply jump over. The beauty of Link's arrows are that they are extremely flexible in application. With incredible knockback and damage, they make for great pressuring tools, as well as off-stage gimping utilities.
Or they could, you know, take advantage of Link's inherent poor approach game, made worse with your removal of bombs, and simply jump over or away from your approach. Only on a stage like FD would this be a viable tactic, if that.
Or they could stay on the ground and just, you know, shield the thing. Most of the cast have solid spaced options in tilts, or projectiles which could just destroy the thing before it became a threat, and all it would take is a Mario fireball or cape to just blow it up.
When have I been disrespectful? Yes, if I could insinuate any harder, it'd probably make your heads spin, but name-calling? Pfft. Come on.
You're focusing on the negatives and getting hung up on details. That statement was general and it was directed towards everybody, not just you.
This is true.
'Details' and practicality, or in this case the lack of, are what open topics like this to discussion. Pushing somebody to go beyond "well, this would be cool" is what we should be doing. When something's not functional, not thought out, or otherwise open to interpretation, it's up to us to call people on it. What does somebody's suggestion mean if they haven't thought it through as clearly as they may have thought they have? If something's going to be considered, it's going to have to be thought into more than just "well, it would be good in this really, really niche and specific situation". Here, watch and learn.
This is what I mentioned before. You can't think of these really, really, reeeeeeeeeally specific situations to defend your moveset. You shouldn't design an ability or attack based around a specific combo, or potential theory of one. You need to think more broadly.
Ivy's razor leaf has been established as an extremely powerful zoning tool, useful in pressure. However, the balance behind it is that you cannot use it again until the first one is gone. This effectively prevents the player from spamming it (moreso than some might complain, anyway). It's the same thing for your bombchu idea.
Both accounts created today? Slowly deteriorating grammar one of them, acting as the perfect bait for somebody like me? I would think you are.
I'm happy to learn from people who know how to teach.
I am not keen to egotistical comments. Identity is irrelevant in this discussion.
Strawman...?
I didn't, but, if you'd like to quit talking yourself into a hole, take it to a private message. No reason why your "you're just distracting from everything" crap needs to be here, when I've written what amounts to short novels on the merits (well, the lack of, that is) of the proposed moveset for Yink.
I came here to make a point and to voice my opinion. Like I said, debates aren't battles. What you may see as failure or victory in an argument, I see as reaching a conclusion. It doesn't matter who wins as long as the truth prevails.
Quit being so dramatic, Clark Kent.
It does that.
What I explained is the basic principle behind debate. I'm not being dramatic, I'm defining to you how intelligent discussion is supposed to work. I'm the one who's saying that this shouldn't be dramatic, that's why I'm trying to suggest a methodology which actually allows it to avoid being that way.