Wolf's DAC

[xINiiTrOI]

Hey wolf users. I think we need to have a thread on just wolf's boost smash. Don't even say use the search button to me, because I tryed but Vbulletin is garbage. I am curious though, my other main is snake, and I can consitently mortar slide with him, yet I can't even gets wolfs pulled off. What is wolfs boost smash timing compared to that? So basically, do you have to execute the DAC (Dash down on c stick up on cstick simultaneous to grab), faster then snakes mortar slide, or slower ?thankyou

 

[AssaultX]

Hey it turns out the search function DOES work, according to the thread I present to you.: the Boost Smash. Thank you for your time

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=210402

 

[ArcPoint]

You have to cancel it faster than Snake's.

 

[xINiiTrOI]

That's a cute little comment assualt. I saw that thread b4 and it didn't help. ArcPoint actually adressed my question. I knew by posting this, it would be inevitable that a witty sarcastic scrub like you would have to post that. Kthnxbi

 

[AssaultX]

That's a cute little comment assualt. I saw that thread b4 and it didn't help. ArcPoint actually adressed my question. I knew by posting this, it would be inevitable that a witty sarcastic scrub like you would have to post that. Kthnxbi

Then I guess that I, being "a witty little sarcastic scrub" must have misread the OP. Sorry.

In that case, ArcPoint's correct. Wolf has one of the more difficult boost smashes to perform compared to the other characters. Falco's is also one of the hard ones, but its easier to perform than Wolf's so it's a good idea to practice with him first.

Still, simple, one-answer-only questions like this one should have been in the Q&A thread, unless you can provide a reason we need yet another DACUS thread.

 

[Dv8tor]

I've asked this same question on the simple question sticky thread. It's a great read, but anyway I think it was Captain Sa10 who told me it was a .3 second difference between when you first hit c down to when you hit up and grab at the same time. I find it easier to flick the c stick and hit up at the same time and jam my grab button (which is mapped to R for me) after since my fingers seem to miss time themselves that way. Works for me though, try if you want.

 

[xINiiTrOI]

Still, simple, one-answer-only questions like this one should have been in the Q&A thread, unless you can provide a reason we need yet another DACUS thread.

Wow the reason I didn't put this in the q&a thread is because we don't even have a good DACUS thread. Hence me saying that we should make an offical one in the first part of my post.

 

[sniperworm]

In that case, ArcPoint's correct. Wolf has one of the more difficult boost smashes to perform compared to the other characters. Falco's is also one of the hard ones, but its easier to perform than Wolf's so it's a good idea to practice with him first.

Is Wolf's one hard? That would explain why my friend can't get it.

I never had any problems learning to execute boost smashes with anyone besides Sheik (which was the first one I learned).

 

[TheTickleMonster]

I shield, spotdodge, and airdodge with L, so i set grab to R. This makes the DAC easier to pull off for me (a trigger is alot bigger than the Z button). the order is odd, but easy with practice.

While Dashing forward, hit the c stick down, and while still holding it down, quickly depress Grab, and up on the directional stick SIMULTANEOUSLY.

If you held down the cstick the whole time, the DAC is nice, or you can shorten it by letting up on the cstick sooner. Also, remember that the easiest way to hit up on the directional stick right when need to is to roll it upwards from the direction you originally tilted to start the dash that you are canceling into this DAC.

 

[Dv8tor]

The DAC gets longer by how long you hold the C stick down?

 

[ScubaF_ingSteve]

DAC is tricky at first, but its all muscle memory. It not snake-like-easy but its simple to master.

@Dv8tor do goes farther the longer you hold the charge I believe, I think it goes half of FD if I remember correctly.

 

[Dv8tor]

I know it does by the charge, but Ticklemonster said it goes farther by holding down the C stick, anyone else tried that?

 

[Evenkor]

I just want to make sure; I can make this work on a Classic controller, right? Would it be any more difficult in that case?

 

[ArcPoint]

All you need is a Up and Grab input, as well as some attack button (To initiate the dash attack)

I still don't know how the crap up and grab charges a Usmash, but whatever works.

And I use both of my shield buttons... R for mostly everything, L for airdodging and canceling a dash with a shield.

 

[Link&Ridley]

The DAC gets longer by how long you hold the C stick down?

Not exactly. If you do the timing right on the money you'll go farther. It's like Link's DAC timing. If you master Link's then Wolf's would be easy.

 

[Evenkor]

Yeah, I've been thinking about switching from Lucario to Wolf for a while now. Lucario's just a bit slow for my tastes, and I've never been able to beat anyone with him. I just picked up Wolf for the first time in ~6 months, and beat my friends with him.

 

[Dv8tor]

Yeah, I've been thinking about switching from Lucario to Wolf for a while now. Lucario's just a bit slow for my tastes, and I've never been able to beat anyone with him. I just picked up Wolf for the first time in ~6 months, and beat my friends with him.

Question, what does this have to do with the DAC?

 

[TheTickleMonster]

Good question.

 

[Sirus109]

I shield, spotdodge, and airdodge with L, so i set grab to R. This makes the DAC easier to pull off for me (a trigger is alot bigger than the Z button). the order is odd, but easy with practice.

While Dashing forward, hit the c stick down, and while still holding it down, quickly depress Grab, and up on the directional stick SIMULTANEOUSLY.

If you held down the cstick the whole time, the DAC is nice, or you can shorten it by letting up on the cstick sooner. Also, remember that the easiest way to hit up on the directional stick right when need to is to roll it upwards from the direction you originally tilted to start the dash that you are canceling into this DAC.

wat do u mean by depress....so that means while holding up (on the control stick or c-stick?? which one???) and the grab....u do the dash and c-stick down...or is it the other way around? im lost all of the sudden...

wish someone could do a tutorial vid

 

[Dv8tor]

No he meant make it feel bad about itself so it did what you wanted it to.

Really though, initiate the dash (meaning the run) then when you want to do the DAC you hit down on the C stick to begin your dash attack and almost immediately after hit up and grab to cancel your dash attack and perform an up smash, hold down the grab button to charge it and slide longer. Hence the name Dash Cancel Up Smash. DACUS, DAC for short.

 

[TheTickleMonster]

precisely ^_^

 

[tekkie]

So, what parts of the animations are the ideal timings on? I'm having some issues doing this consistently, and slowing it down in Training just makes it impossible.

 

[Dv8tor]

I find it easiest for me to judge by my C stick. When I flick the stick it returns to neutral, I hit up and grab exactly when my C stick reaches the neutral position. It might be like I said before where it's just my fingers miss timing themselves but it's worth a try.

 

[tekkie]

I was hoping for help based on character animation because I use a Wiimote/chuck.

 

[TheTickleMonster]

give me about a day and i can get you frame data. just have to go to bed for school in the morning.

 

[tekkie]

give me about a day and i can get you frame data. just have to go to bed for school in the morning.

schweet, thanks

 

[Dv8tor]

Best advice would probably be to get a GC controller, but Ishieymoro does it so good luck, the wiichuck just has too many akward buttons for me.

 

[Ishiey]

I don't boost smash but yeah, it's a LOT easier on GC for me, and you can't charge it on wiichuck unless you set C to grab or something...

 

[tekkie]

Alright. Well, I'mma figger it out anyways.

 

[Sirus109]

i will try to help out wit doing the boost smash on the Wiichuck...

 

[Semifer]

It's very easy on wiichuck, make the cross to the C-stick and it's should work even better than on the GC-Controller.

 

[Ishiey]

It's very easy on wiichuck, make the cross to the C-stick and it's should work even better than on the GC-Controller.

That's what they say, but it's just more of a pain for me. What do you set to grab with this configuration though, and you have to tap down then up on the d-pad only, right?

 

[Sirus109]

It's very easy on wiichuck, make the cross to the C-stick and it's should work even better than on the GC-Controller.

That's what they say, but it's just more of a pain for me. What do you set to grab with this configuration though, and you have to tap down then up on the d-pad only, right?

I agree with Ishey....how do u do it then...if its easy wats the buttons for it...

 

[tekkie]

I always wondered if there was some weird button combination that makes it easy.

If 1 is set to grab, I guess I'd give it a shot. Seems awkward, though.

 

[Ishiey]

I always wondered if there was some weird button combination that makes it easy.

If 1 is set to grab, I guess I'd give it a shot. Seems awkward, though.

Yeah, I set 1 to grab (and 2 for good measure, all you need with wolf is side taunt). It's awkward... I wish - could be set to something, but I suppose you can set C to grab if you don't use it to jump.

 

[TheTickleMonster]

If you want help with DACs on a wiimote, talk to a guy named Ultimate Razer. He has been winning tourneys left and right here in Texas, and he uses only wiimote. The reason i mention him is because he uses snake, and is retardedly awesome at DACing.

 

[Ishiey]

Snake is possible for me, but only when the dash attack connects. I'll ask hiim about it though, thanks TickleMonster.

 

[Sirus109]

If you want help with DACs on a wiimote, talk to a guy named Ultimate Razer. He has been winning tourneys left and right here in Texas, and he uses only wiimote. The reason i mention him is because he uses snake, and is retardedly awesome at DACing.

Ultimate Razer huh??? using only the wiimote wow thats skill.

Snake is possible for me, but only when the dash attack connects. I'll ask hiim about it though, thanks TickleMonster.

Ishey, if u can do u think its possible to start a thread that pertains to how the perfom the DACUS using each controller correctly? That is if Ultimate Razer wants to help out with it?

Might b stickied of good enough i think

 

[Ishiey]

Ishey, if u can do u think its possible to start a thread that pertains to how the perfom the DACUS using each controller correctly? That is if Ultimate Razer wants to help out with it?

Might b stickied of good enough i think

Well, maybe in the tactical boards or something. I'll definitely make one if I feel I ever have enough information to do so though.