wolf move tier list

[JCav]

ok ive seen other boards do this and im bored so...


Top:
Bair
Dsmash


High:
Fair
shine
Jab
Dthrow
Fsmash
blaster


Middle:
Usmash
Uair
Pummel
illusion
Ledge Attack (- 100%)
Utilt
Ftilt


Low:
Dair
Dtilt
Up B
Fthrow
Bthrow
Ledge Attack (+ 100%)
Uthrow
Nair
Dash attack

 

[ArcPoint]

I'd put Dsmash and Fsmash in middle, and then jab up to top.

 

[Rythe]

I'd put Dsmash and Fsmash in middle, and then jab up to top.

I'll second Fsmash for mid-tier. It's predicable and very punishable if used improperly. However, I think Dsmash should be at least high since it's Wolf's best killing move on the ground and his quickest smash all around. Jab is good at the top. Quick startup and an easy 9% (at best) once the opponent is caught.

I'd say put reflector at the top, too. It's invaluable against any character that can spam a ranged attack. Plus, it has insane priority on moves and it counters well.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Move Fsmash down. And Utilt up.

 

[Patinator]

ok ive seen other boards do this and im bored so...


Top:
Bair
Dsmash


High:
Fair
shine
Jab
Dthrow
Fsmash
blaster


Middle:
Usmash
Uair
Pummel
illusion
Ledge Attack (- 100%)
Utilt
Ftilt


Low:
Dair
Dtilt
Up B
Fthrow
Bthrow
Ledge Attack (+ 100%)
Uthrow
Nair
Dash attack

No, no, no. Clearly, B-Throw > F-Throw. B-Throw has a 70:30 matchup against F-Throw!



I would move B-Throw up, Up B down... D-Throw down a little bit. I see no use for ledge attack, move it down. :/

Pummel should go WAY up, possible mid-high or top-high.

 

[Ishiey]

Lol I was wondering when someone would bring this to our boards. Anyways...

Top:
Bair
Dsmash


High:
Fsmash
blaster
shine
Jab
Fair
Dthrow


Middle:
Uair
Pummel
illusion
Usmash
Ledge Attack (- 100%)
Dtilt
Fthrow
Bthrow


Low:
Dair
Utilt
Ftilt
Ledge Attack (+ 100%)
Nair
Up B
Uthrow
Dash attack

Fix'd.

Ftilt is really a bad idea against anyone that can shield unless you have godlike spacing, and fsmash is hands down the best punisher in the game. Blaster is great just because its a projectile, and it can also somewhat help your recovery. Uair is really a good move, it's just that there aren't very many opportunities to use it. Other changes are minor.

 

[Genie]

I'm going to agree with Ish and say the blaster deserves a higher spot because of the stun and its shorter range makes it almost imposible for falco/fox/etc. to reflect it back at wolf.

 

[JCav]

Pummel should go WAY up, possible mid-high or top-high.

after talking to ArcPointe last night, he told me that only the first hit of pummel refreshes moves and that is the best use for it imo

 

[Sesshomuronay]

I think U-air should be a bit higher. And F-air shouldnt be that high unless its 0-lagged.

 

[castorpollux]

blaster should be top tier

 

[JCav]

\ And F-air shouldnt be that high unless its 0-lagged.

thats the only way to do it

blaster should be top tier

blaster is a projectile, but not a great projectile at that

 

[Sesshomuronay]

blaster is a projectile, but not a great projectile at that

Blaster is good.

 

[castorpollux]

thats the only way to do it



blaster is a projectile, but not a great projectile at that

It's not great if you're just standing on the ground spamming it. It's great when you're FH jump-blastering + DI to create an awesome retreat/camp. Also, when your opponent is expecting a bair approach, you can do a turn around blaster instead.

Also it's big and slow. Big slow projectiles are awesome for controlling what ur opponent can do

 

[Ookami-kun]

Reflector should be in top. Invincibility + stun = awesome usmash follow up.

 

[ArcPoint]

The blaster is also very laggy, and leaves room for punishment.

And reflector should not be on top, it does not combo into anything, if you pulled a cool Shine to Usmash combo, the opponent messed up and didn't shield. Only thing that may actually work is Shine to jab, but even that...

 

[IKOU]

Dair should be higher, and blaster should be too

 

[BrawlBro]

nair should be higher, way higher.

 

[§witch]

Nair is ****.

 

[colored blind]

Top:
Bair
Dsmash


High:
Fair
Jab
Blaster
Shine
Dthrow
DACUS


Middle:
Fsmash
Usmash
Uair
Pummel
Illusion
Utilt
Dair


Low:
Ftilt
Dtilt
Up B
Bthrow
Fthrow
Nair
Dash attack
Uthrow

This is what I'm thinking. Not sure about DACUS, because I'm a ******* when I use it, but I think there are several pretty good uses for it. Uthrow never has a reason to be used, which is why it's lower than Dash Attack. Wolf's Tilts suck and it makes me sad.

 

[ArcPoint]

Dsmash shouldn't be top. Fair should be moved to top, as should Dthrow, and Blaster should be like top of high or something.

 

[Ishiey]

Dsmash shouldn't be top.

Wait, what? Why wouldn't dsmash be in top tier? It pushes people back who shield so they can't punish too well and is a great kill move, by far the most reliable one for wolf.

 

[ArcPoint]

It's punishable.

 

[Ishiey]

What isn't? And it's nowhere near as punishable as every other move wolf has besides fair/bair/FH reflector.

 

[Vista]

Dsmash should be top of high, Bair needs it's own tier LOL

Also Dthrow is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too high

Dthrow sucks against anyone who is competent enough to tech.

You might as well Fthrow in most situations.

 

[Ishiey]

If someone techs dthrow, you can just regrab or jab combo or whatever. I've never had anyone tech it and hit me before I could hit them, at any rate. Is that possible?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Top:
Bair
Dsmash


High:
Fair
Jab
Blaster
Shine
Dthrow
DACUS


Middle:
Fsmash
Usmash
Uair
Pummel
Illusion
Utilt
Dair


Low:
Ftilt
Dtilt
Up B
Bthrow
Fthrow
Nair
Dash attack
Uthrow

This is what I'm thinking. Not sure about DACUS, because I'm a ******* when I use it, but I think there are several pretty good uses for it. Uthrow never has a reason to be used, which is why it's lower than Dash Attack. Wolf's Tilts suck and it makes me sad.

Uair is better than Usmash.

 

[colored blind]

...Wolf's most reliable killing move shouldn't be top tier? Uh. Okay. I think Wolf would suffer a lot more from not having Dsmash than not having Fair, Dthrow, or Blaster. He'd lose the ability to...kill someone. I think that's pretty freaking important, but maybe it's just me.

 

[Wartourist]

d tilt isnt that bad try making bair when you arrive at the ground then do d tilt no lag at all and it works

 

[Wartourist]

bair for god tier =)

 

[Wartourist]

Uair is better than Usmash.

true up air is good for juggling the opponent up smash can be shielded easily

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

true up air is good for juggling the opponent up smash can be shielded easily

You can also DI out of Usmash.


Whoever said Nair needs to move up doesn't understand it's properties, it's so weird and easy to DI out of...

 

[ArcPoint]

Dthrow sucks against anyone who is competent enough to tech.

If they tech, that is even BETTER for Wolf than a non-teched Dthrow. At lower percents, it doesn't knock them down, so they're left with every option available to them. I'd take limiting that down to three options rather than giving them all of their options. And at higher percents it sends them too far to tech chase. May set up for a ledge thingy though. But still, the opponent has more options on the ledge than the three options left to them by teching. The only downside is less reaction time.