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Wobbling = Shine spike from anywhere on the stage.
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That's just a stupid post. Once you freeze the player, there's no way to mess up. When Wobbles wobbles, he screws up on occasion. Oh, and this statement holds the merit of horse piss.If wobble is continued to be allowed, so should ice climber freeze glitch. As long as it isn't used as a stall of course. Virtually it's the same thing, unescapable once it happens unlike other infinites that can be escaped and the loss of a stock. Instead of don't get grabbed just be like don't get glitched, even if wobble isn't a glitch it seems unlikely that the creators intended to create a TRUE infinite, well they didn't intend to do a lot of things but that's a different topic.
I agree that the "Wobbles Infinite" should be banned.. but this logic is flawed. *nods agreement with Butters*If wobble is continued to be allowed, so should ice climber freeze glitch. As long as it isn't used as a stall of course. Virtually it's the same thing, unescapable once it happens unlike other infinites that can be escaped and the loss of a stock. Instead of don't get grabbed just be like don't get glitched, even if wobble isn't a glitch it seems unlikely that the creators intended to create a TRUE infinite, well they didn't intend to do a lot of things but that's a different topic.
NusCirtap said:I'm not aruging that glitch should be put in, just that it's the same in gayness as wobble.
If contradicting yourself was like being a blade of grass, you'd be a ****ing golf course. Bye nowNuscirtap said:If wobble is continued to be allowed, so should ice climber freeze glitch.
Ah, well what you meant wasn't what you said, so go away.Ok... the point of the second statement you quoted was because I meant wobble shouldn't be allowed.
The extent to which the infinite imbalances the game is much greater than the extent to which the shine imbalances the game. If you make a mistake and get hit with a SHL, you don't die. If you get hit with a Shine, you dont die (unless you are off the stage and have used your second jump against Fox). If you get grabbed with Nana alive, you lose a stock. Nobody plays the game perfectly. Eventually, you will either use an attack with seven or more frames of start-up time and/or lag, or you will put up your shield. Against any other character you might eat 30-50 damage from a random combo, but against IC's, there goes the stock. That's unbalanced, to the point where an arbitrary limit to the number of tilts Nana is allowed per grab is necessary to maintain future diversity in the metagame.Im going to say... Top tier honestly, its the best way to insert pressure on someone wobble them once, and they be bouncing around sweating themselves. Banned...NO dont ban because if you ban one of IC's best tricks...you may as well short hop laser shine and list goes on
Wow.. i'd trade the SHL anyday for being able to do a Wobbles w/ Falco. Think about it this way.. how would it effect the game if every character could do a wobbles.. If the answer is bad then it should be banned. Same with the freeze glitch, and the same with FoD in Teams (i don't even know what i just said..). If every character had the Shine, or SHL the game would be different, but not dumb.. that is all.If you ban one of IC's best tricks...you may as well short hop laser shine and list goes on
I agree with this to a certain extent. Yes, the game would be dumb if every character did have the Wobbles but then again, they don't. Personally the game would be kinda boring if every character could Shine and SHL though. I doubt I would like it as much.Wow.. i'd trade the SHL anyday for being able to do a Wobbles w/ Falco. Think about it this way.. how would it effect the game if every character could do a wobbles.. If the answer is bad then it should be banned. Same with the freeze glitch, and the same with FoD in Teams (i don't even know what i just said..). If every character had the Shine, or SHL the game would be different, but not dumb.. that is all.
Unfortunately thats not true (wish it was). Even if Popo grabs you with Nana Alive, Nana still has to be quite close to popo, nana could be offscreen when you get grabbed. Also The shine is a low % killer, waveshine infinites immobilize characters but why isnt it banned...Because certain conditions have to be met. Same for the wobble + Wobble is a mindgame, constant pressure, SHL is a pressure tactic, Shine is Pressure, Flinging marths sword around is pressure. In a real match i can pull off maybe 1 successful wobble (I can do it perfectly and start immediately as well) and thats in a tourneyment match.If you get grabbed with Nana alive, you lose a stock.
You're setting a double standard. Apparantly allowing Nana to be knocked away doesn't make you a bad IC's player, but when every other character puts up their shield against the IC's (and inevitably gets Wobbled to death), then they are playing that character badly. I think it's a lot harder to not put up your shield and eat every attack the IC's feel like throwing out, than it is to protect Nana from the opponent's attacks with your double shield while not having to worry about getting grabbed at all.anybody who knows anything about the infinite will choose to be a character that they can gimp nana quick with, or at least keep them separated as much as possible... the people i play with have all gotten used to it, whether its a samus missile spam, marths double-fairs, peach downsmashes, or shine-spikes... and not having nana near you happens to everyone, otherwise ur saying that getting hit by something which might separate you from the other climber makes you bad with the ic's...
That's your opinion... and thats where we differ...I think it's a lot harder to not put up your shield and eat every attack the IC's feel like throwing out, than it is to protect Nana from the opponent's attacks with your double shield while not having to worry about getting grabbed at all.
Can't they just DI out of the up tilts. Anyway, I agree that it is in the IC's best interest to Wobble during a tournament. Truth be told, my opponent's usually struggle out eventually too (but I'm working on it.) It's not unsportsmanlike, even in a friendly. It helps your opponent's prepare for a tournament setting (or convinces them to main IC's )i know people say that wobbling is cheap... gay.. or w/e they would describ it as
but remember, its true... a character that tries to use it... or worse abuse the technique will get alot of negative responses.
it's in the IC player's best interest to pull off a wobbles.
as for me, i've never done it in a tournament, cuz i don't think it's sportsmanlike, but i havedone it many times to my friends at home.. and they dont' like it one bit.
-also i'm not the best at it.. they normally struggle out at around 150%
additionally... many people don't know this.. but besides the wobbles, the IC's have another infinite.. the uptilt. if u can desync and spam uptilt... which btw is alot easier than having to grab... and set up the whole nana/popo a spam, its alot easier and faster to get the damage.
i plan on looking into and try to master this factor and potentially awesom infinite