• Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!

    You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!

WiiU Millionth Thread - Why Sony and MS need to get moving

Teran

Through Fire, Justice is Served
Super Moderator
Premium
BRoomer
Joined
Oct 23, 2008
Messages
37,167
Location
Beastector HQ
3DS FC
3540-0079-4988
Link to original post: [drupal=4379]WiiU Millionth Thread - Why Sony and MS need to get moving[/drupal]



What's good everyone? So on Tuesday we saw WiiU announced and just like a certain rumour release, it had the 6.2in screen in the middle and stuff.

So what that led me to believe is that the leaked specs in the same report touting a triple core IBM PowerPC at 3.5GHz (Nintendo have confirmed multicore PowerPC so this is even more valid), and a custom Radeon R700 core, can't remember the clockspeed or whether it was even stated.

For those of you who don't speak geek, that means that WiiU's graphical power is leagues beyond 360 and PS3.

Orly?

Well yeah, 360's GPU is based on the first ATi/AMD GPUs with unified shader architecture, which is, *gasp* OLD! PS3's RSX is basically a customised Geforce 7800GTX which is *gasp* OLD! Not only that, by now they are vastly underpowered. Think of it in even cruder terms which doesn't directly relate but basically sums it up. WiiU's GPU is DX10.1 and PS3/360's is 9.0c

So enough of all this nonsense, why would that really matter?

Well it's not exactly an achievement to outdo 5 year old tech, but the thing is, Sony and MS were planning on 10 year lifespans for their consoles. So let's say that at the earliest, we see a new console in 2015.

Considering WiiU's launch date of 2012, that's what, 3 years of Nintendo ****ting on you graphically? Now I'm not an expert and this is all just me thinking, 360 and PS3's claim over the Wii is the "hardcore" or whatever stupid **** you wanna call it titles. Basically all those shooters that make 13 year old boys swear at their mothers while pleasuring themselves to headshot highlight reels. Well now they're also coming to WiiU and they'll look better, that's not good for Sony and MS. The thing is, you're thinking "so?". Right, but when Nintendo has its famous exclusives that pretty much kept them afloat in GC era for example, then add their complete domination of the casual market, basically if you're going to have Nintendo sweep in and outdo you in the only market you have an edge on, then you are looking to get buried.

I'm sorry, but getting visually annihilated by WiiU will be downright embarrassing. It's got Wii in the name ffs, that is bad.

For those of you who think that WiiU won't be more powerful than 360/PS3, you seem to think that being more powerful than these consoles is some sort of achievement, when my ****ing laptop that I bought in 2009 is more powerful than a PS3 or 360.

So basically, MS and Sony need to get up off their ***es and release new consoles ASAP. They probably will, but I fear that if they take Nintendo lightly for say the first year or so of WiiU's life, they're in for trouble, and by that time it'll be too late to release a console ahead of schedule that's any good.

I honestly believe they cannot afford to get bested in the graphical department for several YEARS by Nintendo, I mean, come on that's just silly right?

What are your thoughts?
 

Gamegenie222

Space Pheasant Dragon Tactician
Joined
Mar 18, 2008
Messages
6,758
Location
Omaha, Nebraska
NNID
Gamegenie222
3DS FC
3411-1825-3363
I agree with you actually. Sony and Microsoft does need to get a move on.
 

Falconv1.0

Smash Master
Joined
Feb 15, 2008
Messages
3,511
Location
Talking **** in Cali
My thoughts are that it's sad that some people genuinely would have been ignorant to this **** had you not brought it up.

Who was that guy who told me the 360 isn't dated? I feel like ****ting on his head some more.
 

Teran

Through Fire, Justice is Served
Super Moderator
Premium
BRoomer
Joined
Oct 23, 2008
Messages
37,167
Location
Beastector HQ
3DS FC
3540-0079-4988
[yt]kRWRskYLdno[/yt]

Oh and btw, if those specs are true WiiU could run CryEngine 2, although perhaps not to such ridiculously high resolutions, but it could probably manage it no sweat rendered at 720p native.
Which is funny because a lot of console games aren't even run at that, more like 640p lol
 

Zankoku

Never Knows Best
Administrator
BRoomer
Joined
Nov 8, 2006
Messages
22,906
Location
Milpitas, CA
NNID
SSBM_PLAYER
Does 640p even exist? The only standardized resolution I'm seeing between 480p and 720p are 520p, which is like... Europe exclusive apparently, and 576p, which is awkward to begin with.
 

Spelt

BRoomer
BRoomer
Joined
Feb 6, 2009
Messages
11,841
I would actually be scared for Sony and Microsoft if the Wii U wasn't such a ridiculous excuse for a so called "hardcore" game system.

Nintendo's gonna have to face the facts sooner or later.
Nobody wants to play CoD/Halo on a 6 inch screen with derp-style joysticks and ... 2 trigger buttons.
Sorry, not going to happen.

The Wii U is just another out of the box attempt at bringing in non-gamers to the gamer field.
They aren't winning over any xbox/ps3 fanboys anytime soon.
 

Jam Stunna

Writer of Fortune
BRoomer
Joined
May 6, 2006
Messages
6,450
Location
Hartford, CT
3DS FC
0447-6552-1484
Well, a ten year life cycle does not necessarily mean that we won't see new systems from Microsoft and Sony until 2015. Both the PS1 and PS2 had ten year life cycles, and all that meant was that Sony continued to support them after newer hardware was released. The PS3 was released in 2006, and the PS2 STILL gets new games.

I'm willing to bet that the PS4/360-2 will be announced sometime next year (partially to steal the thunder from the WiiU's launch), and both consoles will launch in 2013. It's possible Sony and Microsoft could stretch out their timeframe if the WiiU stumbles out of the gate, but 2014 is the absolute latest date that we'll see new systems from them.
 

Teran

Through Fire, Justice is Served
Super Moderator
Premium
BRoomer
Joined
Oct 23, 2008
Messages
37,167
Location
Beastector HQ
3DS FC
3540-0079-4988
I would actually be scared for Sony and Microsoft if the Wii U wasn't such a ridiculous excuse for a so called "hardcore" game system.

Nintendo's gonna have to face the facts sooner or later.
Nobody wants to play CoD/Halo on a 6 inch screen with derp-style joysticks and ... 2 trigger buttons.
Nobody with half a brain wants to play Call of Duty.

Also wat at having a problem with 2 trigger buttons, you know, because that isn't what everything else has, right?

I think the point of the 6in screen flew over your head. I do agree that the controller isn't exactly the most appealing looking to most, but the screen isn't just there to stream teh game to. You can also have things like say maps and inventories.


Well, a ten year life cycle does not necessarily mean that we won't see new systems from Microsoft and Sony until 2015. Both the PS1 and PS2 had ten year life cycles, and all that meant was that Sony continued to support them after newer hardware was released. The PS3 was released in 2006, and the PS2 STILL gets new games.

I'm willing to bet that the PS4/360-2 will be announced sometime next year (partially to steal the thunder from the WiiU's launch), and both consoles will launch in 2013. It's possible Sony and Microsoft could stretch out their timeframe if the WiiU stumbles out of the gate, but 2014 is the absolute latest date that we'll see new systems from them.
No I'm pretty sure when they said 10 year lifespan they specified 10 years without new hardware. I guess they felt $400 every 5 years was a bit of a big investment that most didn't really appreciate.

Also thanks to Kinect and Move, I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing them around for a good long while, and not with any new hardware soon, well if they're dumb.
 

Fuelbi

Banned via Warnings
Joined
Jun 17, 2009
Messages
16,894
Location
Also PIPA and CISPA
I honestly believe that when the PS4 and the 720 come out those are going to be inherently better than the WiiU thus dumping the WiiU into the pit that the Wii was dumped into this gen (oh come on the fact that the Wii got more sales by casual gamers that make up most of the market on a system that is like 2x cheaper than the more powerful consoles really isn't anything to be lauding about)

:phone:
 

Spelt

BRoomer
BRoomer
Joined
Feb 6, 2009
Messages
11,841
Nobody with half a brain wants to play Call of Duty.


I hate statements like this because there's so many good replies it's almost painful to choose.

Also wat at having a problem with 2 trigger buttons, you know, because that isn't what everything else has, right?
Shoulder buttons ... not sure why i need to clear that up but okay. :/

I think the point of the 6in screen flew over your head. I do agree that the controller isn't exactly the most appealing looking to most, but the screen isn't just there to stream teh game to. You can also have things like say maps and inventories.
No, I got what it's for.
It's still not what the "hardcore" gamers are looking for...

I hate using the word hardcore because it's so vague and exclusive but i can't think of a better alternative.
 

Browny

Smash Hater
Joined
Mar 22, 2008
Messages
10,416
Location
Video Games
Source on this triple core claim plz

If youre right, and 3rd party devs make use of it and arent scared of stupidly difficult architecture like the PS3, then I'll agree with everything youre saying...
 

Teran

Through Fire, Justice is Served
Super Moderator
Premium
BRoomer
Joined
Oct 23, 2008
Messages
37,167
Location
Beastector HQ
3DS FC
3540-0079-4988
I hate statements like this because there's so many good replies it's almost painful to choose.
More like I can't find a way to reply to the fact that CoD is balls after CoD4 more like shooters are balls on consoles and yet that's all I buy my "hardcore" console for.



Shoulder buttons ... not sure why i need to clear that up but okay. :/
PS3 only has shoulder buttons. If you count those shoulder trigger things as legit triggers, then you're going to have to count WiiU's shoulder triggers as well. Since it has 2 shoulders and two triggers.



No, I got what it's for.
It's still not what the "hardcore" gamers are looking for...

I hate using the word hardcore because it's so vague and exclusive but i can't think of a better alternative.
"Hardcore" gamers are idiots. They're just 13 year old boys who think they know ****.

Factoid 1: PC does FPS a million times better than console, and even at launch, PCs were more powerful than console. Ergo, hardcore gamers are ******** because they all love FPS yet they're buying into the inferior experience

Factoid 2: "Hardcore gamers just want the same **** but oh no they want new **** but hey why did you do that new **** that stupid." Part of the cancer.

Factoid 3: Hardcore gamers killed FPS

Factoid 4: Hardcore gamers aren't actually hardcore.

Edit: Browny it was part of the specs leaked to IGN
 

Spelt

BRoomer
BRoomer
Joined
Feb 6, 2009
Messages
11,841
More like I can't find a way to reply to the fact that CoD is balls after CoD4 more like shooters are balls on consoles and yet that's all I buy my "hardcore" console for.
No, I agree.
I don't like call of duty.
The only game I have ever owned of the franchise is black ops which my brother bought for me and i wouldn't have kept it if it wasn't for Zombies, aka the best thing ever.

PS3 only has shoulder buttons. If you count those shoulder trigger things as legit triggers, then you're going to have to count WiiU's shoulder triggers as well. Since it has 2 shoulders and two triggers.
I heard that the wii u only had 2 shoulder buttons...
If that's the case then, oops.


"Hardcore" gamers are idiots. They're just 13 year old boys who think they know ****.

Factoid 1: PC does FPS a million times better than console, and even at launch, PCs were more powerful than console. Ergo, hardcore gamers are ******** because they all love FPS yet they're buying into the inferior experience

Factoid 2: "Hardcore gamers just want the same **** but oh no they want new **** but hey why did you do that new **** that stupid." Part of the cancer.

Factoid 3: Hardcore gamers killed FPS

Factoid 4: Hardcore gamers aren't actually hardcore.
This all may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that they aren't going to be interested in the Wii U, no matter how outdated the graphics are.
And in the end that's all that matters.
You can put as much fancy **** in a console as you want, but if the audience your targeting doesn't buy into it then wtf is the point?
 

Teran

Through Fire, Justice is Served
Super Moderator
Premium
BRoomer
Joined
Oct 23, 2008
Messages
37,167
Location
Beastector HQ
3DS FC
3540-0079-4988
The point is they may buy into it if for like 3-4 years WiiU graphically annihilates their consoles.

Honestly, that is what most of those buffoons are most interested in.
 

Teran

Through Fire, Justice is Served
Super Moderator
Premium
BRoomer
Joined
Oct 23, 2008
Messages
37,167
Location
Beastector HQ
3DS FC
3540-0079-4988
Mario will be using CryEngine 3 non gimped version!
 

Life

Smash Hero
Joined
Jul 19, 2010
Messages
5,264
Location
Grieving No Longer
GET IT OUT AAAAAAAGH

whathasbeenseencannotbeunseenAAAAAAAAAGH

nightmares /shudder

On a completely unrelated note, we're going to hit a graphical ceiling within a few gens aren't we? You can only have a certain level of graphical capability before the improvements go basically unnoticed...
 

Oroxis

Smash Rookie
Joined
Jun 5, 2011
Messages
19
Location
Redmond, WA
Nope video games will keep getting more realistic.....they will get so real that our minds will think that we're actually inside the game world 0.0
 

Teran

Through Fire, Justice is Served
Super Moderator
Premium
BRoomer
Joined
Oct 23, 2008
Messages
37,167
Location
Beastector HQ
3DS FC
3540-0079-4988
Personally I think there will always be improvements but they'll all be very subtle.

Part of why Nintendo chose its direction with the Wii was its belief that just pushing more polygons wasn't going to take gaming forward any longer.
 

Browny

Smash Hater
Joined
Mar 22, 2008
Messages
10,416
Location
Video Games
oh btw anyone who thinks sony would stick to their words and not make a new console for 10 years, because ps3 will cover 2008-2018... just lol.

I'd put money on a new xbox and PS by end 2013 at absolute latest.
 

Jam Stunna

Writer of Fortune
BRoomer
Joined
May 6, 2006
Messages
6,450
Location
Hartford, CT
3DS FC
0447-6552-1484




No I'm pretty sure when they said 10 year lifespan they specified 10 years without new hardware. I guess they felt $400 every 5 years was a bit of a big investment that most didn't really appreciate.

Also thanks to Kinect and Move, I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing them around for a good long while, and not with any new hardware soon, well if they're dumb.


Do you have a quote to support this? Without evidence to the contrary, I think it's pretty safe to assume that "ten year life cycle" means the same thing it meant for the PS1 and PS2.

oh btw anyone who thinks sony would stick to their words and not make a new console for 10 years, because ps3 will cover 2008-2018... just lol.

I'd put money on a new xbox and PS by end 2013 at absolute latest.
Well, to be more accurate the PS3 was released in 2006. But I agree with you that it is extremely unlikely that Sony and Microsoft would both go ten years without a new home console.
 

Teran

Through Fire, Justice is Served
Super Moderator
Premium
BRoomer
Joined
Oct 23, 2008
Messages
37,167
Location
Beastector HQ
3DS FC
3540-0079-4988
Do you have a quote to support this? Without evidence to the contrary, I think it's pretty safe to assume that "ten year life cycle" means the same thing it meant for the PS1 and PS2.
Man **** the Debate Hall.

But really I did read something this in what, 2007/2008?

I'm lazy and can't be bothered to dig it up. Just take my word for it, I mean ultimately it isn't really going to make any difference to you if it turns out false anyway so doesn't matter.

I mean hey why would I make it up?

Edit: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/tretton-ps3-has-proved-our-10-year-point

This buffoon actually thinks the PS3 isn't severely technologically limited by now, and they want to make money off of Move so...

Honestly yeah, don't expect a new console in the near future, well that was the idea before Nintendo pulled this stunt.
 

Oroxis

Smash Rookie
Joined
Jun 5, 2011
Messages
19
Location
Redmond, WA
Microsoft and Sony are going to be losing their milk money with nintendo putting out a new console soon. Since they were planning on juicing out the move and kinect. Epic Fail.
 

GTA_Hater_331

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Jul 22, 2009
Messages
238
I remember the following like it was yesterday:

At the beginning of 2006, the XBOX360 was struggling in terms of hardware. In their attempts to give it a head start, there was a slew of serious technical problems, the obvious one being the Red Ring of Death. Though the price has subsided to either $250 or $300 today (haven't checked prices since 2009), I'm still so fearful of these technical problems that I won't buy one. With Microsoft's size, I don't think they took enough time with the 360.

The PlayStation 3 is now by far the better of the two "adult systems", as I call the PS3 and 360. At the beginning of 2007, it was struggling in the software department. The hardware was more stable than the XBOX360, but it started at $600. I believe the price has ebbed to about $300. Excluding first person shooters which I'm convinced are best for the PC, a lot more PS3 exclusives have caught my attention than 360 exclusives. My older brother doesn't trust that I'd be interested in playing them though.

I approve of the Wii with the same degree of reservation as I approve of President Obama: Both have kept more promises than they get credit for, but both have broken some of the promises. I happen to like the Wii and PlayStation 3 better than the XBOX360, and I'm hoping Nintendo keeps more promises with the WII U.

As for the 8th generation, all 5 systems (3DS, WII U, PS Vita, PS4, XBOX III), have a long way to go to prove themselves worthy in my eyes. I'll probably buy some of these systems several years after they launch, when the prices have subsided and there's substantial software. There's little room left for improvement on graphics, so if they can get more power... This may show how little I know about hardware, but I think they should use more power to improve the frame rates and storage capacity/memory, definitely developing games on a grander scale.
 

Browny

Smash Hater
Joined
Mar 22, 2008
Messages
10,416
Location
Video Games
Personally I couldnt give a flying **** how powerful new consoles are, only that the games are worth the money.

Im sick and tired of these excuses for games with ~10 hour campaigns and no/bare basic multiplayer modes.

:phone:
 

GTA_Hater_331

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Jul 22, 2009
Messages
238
Personally I couldnt give a flying **** how powerful new consoles are, only that the games are worth the money.

Im sick and tired of these excuses for games with ~10 hour campaigns and no/bare basic multiplayer modes.

:phone:
Just so I can be sure of what you're talking about, what are the 10 most egregious examples? Are Lost Planet 2 and HomeFront among them?
 

Browny

Smash Hater
Joined
Mar 22, 2008
Messages
10,416
Location
Video Games
Wow my bad on the 2008 thing... I cant believe its almost been 5 years already thats nuts

Just so I can be sure of what you're talking about, what are the 10 most egregious examples? Are Lost Planet 2 and HomeFront among them?
Well I dont buy/play games much these days so my experience is limited, but personally,

BF:BC2, completely useless and boring SP campaign and a multiplayer which was pretty much cutdown from BF2 which was like 7 years older. No doubt if they removed all the useless FMV sequences and SP dialogue etc they could have focused on making the MP decent.

Portal 2. I know the game is great, but that sort of longevity is not worth the money they charge in Aus. Theres no reason why they charge so much for something I could do in one sitting.

Unchartered. Same deal as portal.

They are the most glaring examples. Remember, games cost 2x here what they do in USA. Even games with like 15-20 hour lastability are not worth $100.
 

UltiMario

Out of Obscurity
Joined
Sep 23, 2007
Messages
10,438
Location
Maryland
NNID
UltiMario
3DS FC
1719-3180-2455
You know after all this I think Nintendo is pulling a "New coke"

Nintendo made the Wii so infuriatingly pathetic and casual that it scared off all the serious companies and a fair share of devoted gamers, but in the process they had the Wii explode from its casual prowess.

Now with the Wii U, they're going back to the old formula (sort of), and having a hardcore and graphically intensive unit that blows everything out of the water. Knowing companies, they'll hop this the bandwagon for this sheer power, and many 3rd party developers will leave the 360 and PS3, or make inferior ports at best. Now that all the 360 and PS3 are going is going casual, it's not like they have much reason to stay there compared to a beast like the Wii U.

Now that Nintendo has a huge swing of fans from the casual market that'll stay with, and then all the old fans and old 3rd parties swarming back, Microsoft and Sony will be left to crumble.

It's all part of the master plan to dominate the gaming industry.
 

Jam Stunna

Writer of Fortune
BRoomer
Joined
May 6, 2006
Messages
6,450
Location
Hartford, CT
3DS FC
0447-6552-1484
I don't see why developers would hop off the PS3/360, systems whose capabilities they're very familiar with, to develop for a console with two screens, one of which is a touchscreen.

This is basically last generation all over again. We're either going to get fantastic WiiU games that can't be played on PS3/360, or we're going to get PS3/360 ports with some kind of lame "waggle" (I use the term "waggle" to represent a number of gaming gimmicks, not just waggle itself) attached.

That's not to say that the WiiU will not be successful, but Nintendo is basically setting up the same dynamic that has existed for them since the N64: you either develop for us (and our cartridge/tiny disc/motion controller/touchscreen) or you develop for them.
 

UltiMario

Out of Obscurity
Joined
Sep 23, 2007
Messages
10,438
Location
Maryland
NNID
UltiMario
3DS FC
1719-3180-2455
What are you talking about developers love touchscreens and dual screens. Like every big 360 game series has some really ****ty DS version.

:phone:
 

Teran

Through Fire, Justice is Served
Super Moderator
Premium
BRoomer
Joined
Oct 23, 2008
Messages
37,167
Location
Beastector HQ
3DS FC
3540-0079-4988
I don't see why developers would hop off the PS3/360, systems whose capabilities they're very familiar with, to develop for a console with two screens, one of which is a touchscreen.

This is basically last generation all over again. We're either going to get fantastic WiiU games that can't be played on PS3/360, or we're going to get PS3/360 ports with some kind of lame "waggle" (I use the term "waggle" to represent a number of gaming gimmicks, not just waggle itself) attached.

That's not to say that the WiiU will not be successful, but Nintendo is basically setting up the same dynamic that has existed for them since the N64: you either develop for us (and our cartridge/tiny disc/motion controller/touchscreen) or you develop for them.
This is true. Thing is though, this is in essence just a traditional gaming pad with a fat screen in the middle. Yeah it has gyro etc, but so does PS3 controller so doesn't really matter whether it's there or not, only matters whether they force it in. Which of course is a major possibility but they might have learned after 5 years not to do that.

Anyway, tbh most of the cross platform stuff will probably be ports with a bit of touching up because developers are lazy. At the same time, the controller is a traditional gaming pad, just because it looks ******** doesn't change its basic functionality. The screen doesn't have to play a massive part. It can be stuff like maps, inventories, can be used in so many ways that help rather than hurt the experience. So unlike Wii with the motion stuff, this is really just an all purpose controller. It has all kinds of capabilities and just because it has an obnoxiously large screen on it, doesn't necessarily mean that it has to dominate every game's control scheme.

I dunno, I just don't see the same room for bull**** with this controller as I do with the remote. It really is just a gamepad with a screen on it. Deal with it.
 

El Nino

BRoomer
BRoomer
Joined
Jul 4, 2003
Messages
1,289
Location
Ground zero, 1945
I don't see why developers would hop off the PS3/360, systems whose capabilities they're very familiar with, to develop for a console with two screens, one of which is a touchscreen.

This is basically last generation all over again. We're either going to get fantastic WiiU games that can't be played on PS3/360, or we're going to get PS3/360 ports with some kind of lame "waggle" (I use the term "waggle" to represent a number of gaming gimmicks, not just waggle itself) attached.

That's not to say that the WiiU will not be successful, but Nintendo is basically setting up the same dynamic that has existed for them since the N64: you either develop for us (and our cartridge/tiny disc/motion controller/touchscreen) or you develop for them.
If the controller works just like a traditional controller, then it might not be an issue. And if that's the case, I'd think that the graphics/processing capability of the system would draw in developers.
 

Jam Stunna

Writer of Fortune
BRoomer
Joined
May 6, 2006
Messages
6,450
Location
Hartford, CT
3DS FC
0447-6552-1484
Yeah, I don't think the WiiU will lack in developer support, I just don't see why game development is being presented as a zero-sum game where you either develop for one system or the other (aside from the controller issues that I mentioned).

I guess I really don't see the WiiU as a major threat to the PS3/360. It will make a good compliment for the year or two that it occupies the same space as them.
 

Falconv1.0

Smash Master
Joined
Feb 15, 2008
Messages
3,511
Location
Talking **** in Cali
The Wii U's power alone would probably be a pretty decent threat seeing how **** that would lag balls on the ps3 will run fine on the Wii U.

Just saying.
 
Top Bottom