Wii remote down for the count?

[Mr.GAW]

As far as I'm concerned, the Wii Remote+ Nunchuk would work fine:

NUNCHUCK
Anolog: Move and Jump
Z Button: Attack (A Button on GC)
C Button: Attack (B Button on GC)

WII REMOTE
D-Pad Smash Attack (Like the C-Stick on GC)
A Button: Jump
B Button (Trigger): Air Dodge/Sheild
+ (Plus) Button: Pause
- Button: Options or nothing
1 Button: Possibly enter crawling form from a crouch. Otherwise its nothing.
2 Button: Super Smash Attack. (1 Button and 2 Button controls are interchangeable)

BUTTON COMBINATIONS
B+C: Grab/Pick up Item/Catch Item/Throw Item
B+Down: Airdodge

As far as I'm concerned, this control setup would work perfectly. There would be no motion control, so that you don't have to be "waving your arms all over the place."
Wavedashing would be a fluid, almost better motion than melee. (A+B+Control Stick)
SHFFLing would be cake, quickly tap the A button for a SH, fastfall, L-Cancel with B.

If anybody sees any problems with this setup let me know, but it looks good to me.

That being said, I would still prefer to use a GC controller just because it is more familiar to me. I beleive that Nintendo will release Brawl with Wiimote Nunchuck controls, but people with GC or Classic controllers can use that too.

This way, Nintendo doesn't have to worry about producing GC Controllers for the next 6 years, and they also don't have to release the game with its own controller.

Problem Solved.

 

[EnFerris]

... lol




lol this is what i was saying... i have a wii and a classic controller i know how it works with the wii... lol

Yeah, I know. I was telling I_Eat_Fried_Worms, as he didn't seem to get it

If anybody sees any problems with this setup let me know, but it looks good to me.

You wouldn't be abble to reeach the one and two buttons. You'd have to press them with your palm. The one and two buttons are for holding the controller sideway. Also, there's nothing wrong with "Waving your arms wildly." People who think so haven't played the Wii and have no imagination.

 

[Mr.GAW]

You wouldn't be abble to reeach the one and two buttons. You'd have to press them with your palm. The one and two buttons are for holding the controller sideway. Also, there's nothing wrong with "Waving your arms wildly." People who think so haven't played the Wii and have no imagination.

Unless you plan on playing with items that shouldn't be a problem. The Super Smash Attack and the possible Crawl button are the only things I mapped to those buttons. Crawling can be done as down on the control stick and than moving with D-Pad, or just tilting the control stick between the SW and SE directions.

And about the waving arms wildly thing, I put it in quotations because I realize that you wouldn't have to actually wave your arms, but this control setup would make even those people who think so happy.

And you, sir, obviously haven't played a Wii yourself if you think that the 1 button is unreachable.

 

[EnFerris]

Unless you plan on playing with items that shouldn't be a problem. The Super Smash Attack and the possible Crawl button are the only things I mapped to those buttons. Crawling can be done as down on the control stick and than moving with D-Pad, or just tilting the control stick between the SW and SE directions.

And about the waving arms wildly thing, I put it in quotations because I realize that you wouldn't have to actually wave your arms, but this control setup would make even those people who think so happy.

And you, sir, obviously haven't played a Wii yourself if you think that the 1 button is unreachable.

Okay, so I'm holding my wiimote, and I can hi the 1 button without dropping the wiimote, but I need to move my thumb about two inches. This wouldn't work for split secon reactions. Not only that, the idea of designing a control scheme that excludes using items is ridiculous. I understand that competitive players look at them with disdain because they randomize a game that's very title suggests randonimity, but are you really so arrogant to think that the game will be designed for competitive players, who make up a small percentage of Smash Bros. fan base?

Do you look down on people who play basketball or soccer for fun? If it was possible to fundamentally alter the rules of the universe so that it was physicaly impossible could play in any fashion other than that of FIFA, would you do it?

Items are intrinsic to most casual players game experience. They are god****ed fun for anyone who isn't obsessed with winning or losing. Do you want to suck joy out of people's lives because they don't play at your caliber or are part of the competitive players sub-culture? I didn't think so.

 

[Nono]

Yeah, I know. I was telling I_Eat_Fried_Worms, as he didn't seem to get it

yea i was agreeing with you/ saying thank you for showing him more clearly lol.

 

[Mr.GAW]

Okay, so I'm holding my wiimote, and I can hi the 1 button without dropping the wiimote, but I need to move my thumb about two inches. This wouldn't work for split secon reactions. Not only that, the idea of designing a control scheme that excludes using items is ridiculous. I understand that competitive players look at them with disdain because they randomize a game that's very title suggests randonimity, but are you really so arrogant to think that the game will be designed for competitive players, who make up a small percentage of Smash Bros. fan base?

Do you look down on people who play basketball or soccer for fun? If it was possible to fundamentally alter the rules of the universe so that it was physicaly impossible could play in any fashion other than that of FIFA, would you do it?

Items are intrinsic to most casual players game experience. They are god****ed fun for anyone who isn't obsessed with winning or losing. Do you want to suck joy out of people's lives because they don't play at your caliber or are part of the competitive players sub-culture? I didn't think so.

Lol. The super smash attack would be the only item that you would have to press one for.

Most likely, as soon as you touch the super smash attack item you will use it anyways, I don't know why you automatically assumed that I was against playing with items. Its just that most people who post here don't.

Seriously, get a grip.

 

[Red Exodus]

God, do I have to pull out that analogy again? Okay here it is.

The wiimote shouldn't be used for one blinding obvious reason, and that reason is:

It's built for motion sensing.

But there's a problem. Sakurai confirmed motion sensing won't be in Brawl so why would they use a controller built for motion sensing in a game that doesn't support it? What's next? Steering wheels for Halo?

 

[Devastlian]

why would they use a controller built for motion sensing in a game that doesn't support it?

Because the controllers have a control stick and three plus buttons which is all that is needed for SSB. It might not be the most efficient but, for casual players with no GCN controllers who don't wanna pay the extra twenty dollars for a classic controller, it'd probably be a good idea to have as an option.

Most of the people who are so adamant about sticking with the GCN controller probably already have one or possibly even more so their continued sale really isn't that important especially if people would prefer using the classic controller for its feel or price.

So...I think they'll let us use all three with their own control schemes or even customizeable ones so as to not alienate anyone and to appeal to the more dedicated players.

 

[Red Exodus]

As long as we have a choice I don't care. I just hope no one goes into a tournament and says "no fair, I'm using a wiimote and you are using a GC controller, that's why you won".

New John: The Controller John

 

[Blackshadow]

I think people need to accept the fact that the Wii Remote won't be used for Brawl (except for maybe minigames) for reasons, such as common sense, ease of use and Red Exodus' reasons.

 

[Bombco101]

they may make it possible to use the wiimote/nunchuck but also possibe to use the GCN controller or the Wii classic.

 

[Red Exodus]

Thank you. I think they are just wasting their time by making up control schemes since it wouldn't be logical to use the wiimote.

 

[Blackshadow]

Yeah, months of waiting for new Brawl information will do that to ya

 

[Mr.GAW]

I think people need to accept the fact that the Wii Remote won't be used for Brawl (except for maybe minigames) for reasons, such as common sense, ease of use and Red Exodus' reasons.

I think people need to except that the Wii Remote WILL be used. Only a moron would require a classic controller or a GC controller for Brawl, for the simple reason that people who never had a Gamecube ARE NOT going to buy FOUR simply for Brawl. Same goes for the classic controller, people aren't going to buy FOUR Classic controllers for one game, and then never use them again.

I would bet good money that the main controller for Brawl will be the Wii Remote+ Nunchuck, because no one at Nintendo is dumb enough to think consumers who never played melee/don't have GC controllers will buy them for Brawl.

Brawl is a FOUR PLAYER PARTY game, and people WILL NOT buy 60-100 dollars of extra stuff for ONE GAME.

Because the controllers have a control stick and three plus buttons which is all that is needed for SSB. It might not be the most efficient but, for casual players with no GCN controllers who don't wanna pay the extra twenty dollars for a classic controller, it'd probably be a good idea to have as an option.

Most of the people who are so adamant about sticking with the GCN controller probably already have one or possibly even more so their continued sale really isn't that important especially if people would prefer using the classic controller for its feel or price.

So...I think they'll let us use all three with their own control schemes or even customizeable ones so as to not alienate anyone and to appeal to the more dedicated players.

Thank you for being smart.

Thank you. I think they are just wasting their time by making up control schemes since it wouldn't be logical to use the wiimote.

Why do you think its illogical? Your whole "built for motion sensing" explanation got torn to shreads by Devastlian, what other illogical reasons are there?

 

[Red Exodus]

Look, I give up. I don't care if you think they will use the wiimote, I don't care if you can find 1 billlion and 1 control schemes for the wiimote. The point is, using the wiimote is just going to alienate the enitre fanbase, which by the way, is illogical.

 

[Gamepro]

Look, I give up. I don't care if you think they will use the wiimote, I don't care if you can find 1 billlion and 1 control schemes for the wiimote. The point is, using the wiimote is just going to alienate the enitre fanbase, which by the way, is illogical.

"Using the Gamecube controller for Melee is going to alienate the entire fanbase, everyone is used to the N64 controller. I hate change and progression, die change die!"

Same logic. Seriously Melee purists have to be some of the most close minded people I've seen. There's four buttons in immediate vicinity of your hands with the Wiimote/Nunchuk with 2 (+ and -) in close enough proximity that could be used. That's enough.

The only stupid thing would be Nintendo/the fanbase actually expecting people to buy multiple controllers from their LAST GEN SYSTEM to play a WII game. It's idiocy. The classic controller would be just as stupid basically. If they were to have either of those controllers as the "main" ones to use, their only excuse would be to include either controller as a pack in with the game. I don't see that happening, and it's clearly a waste of money when the WIIMOTE/NUNCHUK WOULD WORK JUST FINE.

The only thing more moronic then the idea that the Gamecube/Classic Controller should be used as the main controllers for this game is the people that actually think it's a fact at this moment that the Gamecube controller is going to be mainly used. Ugh.

 

[Mr.GAW]

Look, I give up. I don't care if you think they will use the wiimote, I don't care if you can find 1 billlion and 1 control schemes for the wiimote. The point is, using the wiimote is just going to alienate the enitre fanbase, which by the way, is illogical.

If you had actually read the control scheme, you would see it works just as good as a GC controller. In fact, the same type of motions would be made to do stuff. If by alienate the entire fanbase you mean make it take time to get used to for a day or two, than you are right. But if that control scheme would take you more than 1 or 2 days to get used too, than you have issues.

 

[Blackshadow]

think people need to except that the Wii Remote WILL be used. Only a moron would require a classic controller or a GC controller for Brawl, for the simple reason that people who never had a Gamecube ARE NOT going to buy FOUR simply for Brawl. Same goes for the classic controller, people aren't going to buy FOUR Classic controllers for one game, and then never use them again.

I would bet good money that the main controller for Brawl will be the Wii Remote+ Nunchuck, because no one at Nintendo is dumb enough to think consumers who never played melee/don't have GC controllers will buy them for Brawl.

Brawl is a FOUR PLAYER PARTY game, and people WILL NOT buy 60-100 dollars of extra stuff for ONE GAME.

You do realise that regardless of what controller is used, you will have to buy 3 more of them, and that the WiiMote and Nunchuck cost a hella lot more than what a Classic or GC controller costs? I would rather recycle my GC controllers and buy two more Classic ones than buy 3 more WiiMote and nunchucks. And really, your points don't make sense. Buying 4 Classic controllers and never using them again? Its not like Brawl will be the only party game to use Classic or GC controllers.

Nintendo will be smart enough NOT to use the Wiimote Nunchuck combination, because consumers aren't going to buy around 200 bucks of stuff just to play 4 player Brawl. And they would buy Classic controllers if they never had Melee, not GC ones.

For a 4 player game, I would much rather buy 60-100 bucks of stuff for one game which WILL be used again then 200+ bucks on WiiMote nunchuck conbinations that I will use again.

 

[Mr.GAW]

You do realise that regardless of what controller is used, you will have to buy 3 more of them, and that the WiiMote and Nunchuck cost a hella lot more than what a Classic or GC controller costs? I would rather recycle my GC controllers and buy two more Classic ones than buy 3 more WiiMote and nunchucks. And really, your points don't make sense. Buying 4 Classic controllers and never using them again? Its not like Brawl will be the only party game to use Classic or GC controllers.

Nintendo will be smart enough NOT to use the Wiimote Nunchuck combination, because consumers aren't going to buy around 200 bucks of stuff just to play 4 player Brawl. And they would buy Classic controllers if they never had Melee, not GC ones.

For a 4 player game, I would much rather buy 60-100 bucks of stuff for one game which WILL be used again then 200+ bucks on WiiMote nunchuck conbinations that I will use again.

Are you kidding me?
There will be counless more games that you could use a Wii Remote and Nunchuck for than A GC and Classic controller.

People will eventually buy all four wiimotes and nunchucks anyways, hell, I already have four of each for Red Steel.

Name one announced multiplayer game coming out that will use four GC or Classic controllers.

I can name about 10 that will use Wii Remote and Nunchuck.

Also, Three more Wii remotes plus nunchucks would be 180$, where as Four Classic Controllers would require four Wii Remotes, also costing 180$. People would get much more use out of four nunchucks than four classic controllers.
Four GC controllers would cost 80$, never to be used again by most non-gamecube owners.

Thats 130$ for Brawl. Nintendo wouldn't do that.
I'm losing faith in humanity.

 

[Devastlian]

That's why there should be the option to use all three. Chances are, if you have a Wii, you have a Wiimote and Nunchuk. People that have a Wii might not have anything else and they may have friends that don't have anything else so being able to use what they have is rather appealing. If your friends require that you have controllers for each of them, this option lets you decide how to fill in the remaining three or however many players we'll have slots depending on their preference. Chances are that the people that want the GCN controller are one of the six million plus people that own SSBM and probably have a GCN controller they can use (especially if they are tournament goers and familar with the phrase BYOC) and this option will let them use it.

The only way to alienate anyone, in terms of controller use, is to restrict what they can use. So, the best option would mean that you can use all three and use any combonation of those in multiplayer games.

And it takes, like, five seconds to map a decent control scheme to the Wiimote and Nunchuk that's almost the same as the N64 control scheme so I doubt that it'd be much of a waste of time.

 

[Blackshadow]

Of course there will be more Wii Remote games than CC or GC controller ones. Thats just stupid to assume otherwise. What I'm saying is that for the game Brawl, it would make more sense to spend less money and recycle controllers using a control system that works then to spend a lot of money on a control system that doesn't sound too promising for a fighting game such as Brawl.

I know we'll buy all four eventually. But why not recycle something you already have for less money? I know that right now my family could never afford over 200 dollars for 3 wiimotes and nunchucks when we could just use whats already there. I would rather be able to play Brawl instantly then have to wait until wiimotes and nunchuks come back into stock.

I didn't say there is one announced RIGHT NOW. What I mean is that not to immediately assume that Wii games will be Wiimote controlled, and that there is potential for CC and GC controllers to be used somehow or another.

You shouldn't lose faith just yet.

EDIT: What Devastlian says makes sense, using all three would make it accesible to everyone.

 

[Keige]

You need a Wiimote to use the Classic controller...
Oh wait, you said that. So it's agreed that it uses cube controllers. But I hope you can use CC as well because I have three wavebirds, one classic controler, and four wiimotes w/nunchucks.

 

[Mr.GAW]

That's why there should be the option to use all three. Chances are, if you have a Wii, you have a Wiimote and Nunchuk. People that have a Wii might not have anything else and they may have friends that don't have anything else so being able to use what they have is rather appealing. If your friends require that you have controllers for each of them, this option lets you decide how to fill in the remaining three or however many players we'll have slots depending on their preference. Chances are that the people that want the GCN controller are one of the six million plus people that own SSBM and probably have a GCN controller they can use (especially if they are tournament goers and familar with the phrase BYOC) and this option will let them use it.

The only way to alienate anyone, in terms of controller use, is to restrict what they can use. So, the best option would mean that you can use all three and use any combonation of those in multiplayer games.

And it takes, like, five seconds to map a decent control scheme to the Wiimote and Nunchuk that's almost the same as the N64 control scheme so I doubt that it'd be much of a waste of time.

Once again, thank you for being smart.

Of course there will be more Wii Remote games than CC or GC controller ones. Thats just stupid to assume otherwise.

Uh.. right, thats why it makes sense that Nintendo will have a Wii Remote/ Nunchuck set up.

What I'm saying is that for the game Brawl, it would make more sense to spend less money and recycle controllers using a control system that works then to spend a lot of money on a control system that doesn't sound too promising for a fighting game such as Brawl.

Only because you have GC Controllers. Other people who didn't have a GC are more likely to have all the controllers for Wii that they want/need, and shouldn't have to drop an extra 80 dollars.

I know we'll buy all four eventually. But why not recycle something you already have for less money? I know that right now my family could never afford over 200 dollars for 3 wiimotes and nunchucks when we could just use whats already there. I would rather be able to play Brawl instantly then have to wait until wiimotes and nunchuks come back into stock.

Over two hundred dollars? Did you read my last post?

And just because you would be able to play it instantly wouldn't make it fair for the people who have four Wii Remotes + Nunchucks and no GC controllers. Should thay have to wait? And what about when GC controllers are no longer in production? Should they have to go on ebay to find four controllers?

I didn't say there is one announced RIGHT NOW. What I mean is that not to immediately assume that Wii games will be Wiimote controlled, and that there is potential for CC and GC controllers to be used somehow or another.

You said that I didn't have good points because its not as if Brawl would be the only multiplayer game to utilize four GC or Classic controllers, yet you can't think of one game that might do this, and personally, I don't see it happening, once again, because Ninty won't make people waste money.

EDIT: What Devastlian says makes sense, using all three would make it accesible to everyone..

....That's what I've been saying this whole time.
Wtf?

 

[Sensai]

People, you need to realize that it's a very real possibility that Nintendo will make people purchase CC's to play Brawl. Sure, it may work on the Wii remote/Nunchuck combination (probably will, is my bet), but it will be optimized for CC.

Kinda like Virtual Console controls compared between GC controller (the Wii remote in above analogy) and the CC (the CC in above analogy).

 

[Mr.GAW]

For the first time in forever Sensai, I have to disagree.

While there is a small chance that Nintendo will make people buy CC's, I am 99% sure Nintendo will have a Wii Remote Nunchuck setup.

I'm actually having trouble responding, because you kind of contradicted yourself by saying it is a very real possibility Ninty will MAKE you buy CC's, (as in you have no other option) but than saying that you think Nintendo will probably let you use a Wii remote/chuck combo as well.

 

[Sensai]

My bad, bad choice of words...they'll encourage us to buy CCs. As I stated, or meant to state, above, they'll have a set up for Remote/Nunchuck, but the CC will be better done/better organized/something to make it better.

And don't disagree! We can work it out!

 

[Mr.GAW]

Lol. Actually, in that case, I do agree. Because I simply think that Nintendo will make Remote/Chuck work, not that it'll be the main setup.

So we're good?

 

[Devastlian]

Ya, I probably wouldn't use the Wiimote and Nunchuk but it'd be ideal to have the option for all three...as long as they advertise it since people take stuff out of context and mislead themselves a lot.

Just be like, "PICK YOUR CONTROLLER, PICK YOUR FRIENDS, PICK YOUR CHARACTER (as well well as other miscellaneous options), PICK YOUR STAGE, AND HAVE A BLAST!!!"...It would appear that witty phrases are not my forte. :/

 

[FreakoFreako]

All right.. Before I say anything, I wanna say that I'm all for having option for all 3. But, if we had to choose, I'd definately go with Gamecube Controller. This is coming from the guy that never bought a GCN.

1) Gamecube controllers are still being made. I just bought two today, there were GC Controllers in like every Game store I went... Also, you can use... store.nintendo.com They even sell N64 Controllers there. So the point of GC Controllers being out of production is out of the question. It's EASY to find one at stores right now, and in a few years. You can use store.nintendo.com

2) Sakurai already said, "I wouldn't throw away your Gamecube controllers just yet!" (Something like that. I'm not gonna look it up again lol) That was more than hinting that you'll be using GCN controllers. And to take out the option to use GCN Controllers will be a move that pisses off a lot of fans.

3) Wii-Motes are freaking expensive. Wii Mote + Nunchuck = $60? $60 x 3 = $180 without tax. Probably 200 with tax.. I'm not gonna calculate tax >.> That's a ridiculous price.

4) SSB is a System Seller IMO. People like me, will buy a Wii just for SSB: Brawl. I mean, I'm looking for a Wii already (Freaking sold out everywhere) and the ONLY game I plan on buying is SSB: Brawl. I MIGHT buy other games, but at the moment, that's the only game I plan on getting. Of course if that's the case, having the guys buy GC Controllers is much reasonable than forcing people to pay $480 to play one game.


I don't care what they do as long as they allow GCN Controllers.

 

[Blackshadow]

Oh...I was under the impression that you didn't want GC or CC controllers used, only Wiimotes.
My bad

 

[Mr.GAW]

Oh...I was under the impression that you didn't want GC or CC controllers used, only Wiimotes.
My bad

It's cool.

All right.. Before I say anything, I wanna say that I'm all for having option for all 3. But, if we had to choose, I'd definately go with Gamecube Controller. This is coming from the guy that never bought a GCN.

1) Gamecube controllers are still being made. I just bought two today, there were GC Controllers in like every Game store I went... Also, you can use... store.nintendo.com They even sell N64 Controllers there. So the point of GC Controllers being out of production is out of the question. It's EASY to find one at stores right now, and in a few years. You can use store.nintendo.com

2) Sakurai already said, "I wouldn't throw away your Gamecube controllers just yet!" (Something like that. I'm not gonna look it up again lol) That was more than hinting that you'll be using GCN controllers. And to take out the option to use GCN Controllers will be a move that pisses off a lot of fans.

3) Wii-Motes are freaking expensive. Wii Mote + Nunchuck = $60? $60 x 3 = $180 without tax. Probably 200 with tax.. I'm not gonna calculate tax >.> That's a ridiculous price.

4) SSB is a System Seller IMO. People like me, will buy a Wii just for SSB: Brawl. I mean, I'm looking for a Wii already (Freaking sold out everywhere) and the ONLY game I plan on buying is SSB: Brawl. I MIGHT buy other games, but at the moment, that's the only game I plan on getting. Of course if that's the case, having the guys buy GC Controllers is much reasonable than forcing people to pay $480 to play one game.


I don't care what they do as long as they allow GCN Controllers.

Yeah, we were all saying we want options, and everybody wants the GCN controller, but I'm saying Nintendo will have a Wii remote setup as well.

1. Yeah, but do you think Nintendo has enough N64 controllers right now to give four two every new person who is still buying melee? They might, but I don't think so.

2. I think that was just his way of telling people you might have more options than the Wiimote, but yeah.

3.Yeah, but you'll use those for other games.

4. Most people will not buy the Wii simply for Brawl and refuse to buy other games, so the controllers wouldn't be a waste for most, but I can understand your situation.

 

[Mr.GAW]

Ignore this post

 

[Tera253]

I think they should make the gamecube controller work.

same. Tera got the Wii last Saturday and bought awireless GCN controller so she could play SSBM on it.

Not everybody buys 4 controllers. (Tera will have 4 though)
~Tera253~

 

[i_eat_fried_worms]

Wii-Motes are freaking expensive. Wii Mote + Nunchuck = $60? $60 x 3 = $180 without tax. Probably 200 with tax.. I'm not gonna calculate tax >.> That's a ridiculous price.

that will be $65.08 Mr. Freako, I know because I have way to much time on my hands, well actually, tentacles.

 

[Devastlian]

that will be $65.08 Mr. Freako, I know because I have way to much time on my hands, well actually, tentacles.

How do you know? California has different sales tax depending on what county you're in...Not to mention different states have different amounts as well.

 

[Pikaville]

Hopefuly they will have a Gamecube controller that links to the Wii to play Brawl on.Any othere controller would just feel weird.That classic remote feels dodgy to me.

 

[The_Famous_SK]

#1- The classic controller for the Wii sucks. It eats batteries like no other, and you have to plug it into the big clunky part of the wiimote anyway. Bought one anyway because they ****ed up the buttons for Super Mario World from the Virtual Console (Jump and run were B and X.... wtf were they thinking).

#2- The GC(N?) controllers plug into the Wii. Wavebirds work too. There are 4 controller slots that open up, and you can plug anything that plugged into the gamecube into the Wii. Memory cards too.

#3- Nintendo is going to do one of two things. They're either going to keep Smash the way it is, letting us use GC controllers, keeping in Wavedashing and all that neat jazz. OR, they're going to change it around entirely, making us use gay controllers and taking out all the leet exploits that we all know and love.

Basically, they're gonna be Nintendo and do whatever they want, because I mean c'mon people, Nintendo doesn't **** up. Whatever they choose will be for a reason, and even if we hate it at first, we'll figure it out and come to love it.

 

[krlos F.]

but it's confirmed that SSBB will use the GC controller or the classic controller... so we don't have to worry about it ^_____^

 

[Mr.GAW]

No its not.

Source plz.

 

[i_eat_fried_worms]

How do you know? California has different sales tax depending on what county you're in...Not to mention different states have different amounts as well.

yeah, but im on 8.5% but most bigger counties have around 10%, which is pretty easy to do.